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    Pirates fire Tracy after 2 losing seasons

    By ALAN ROBINSON,
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    October 5, 2007

    PITTSBURGH (AP) -- Jim Tracy was fired as manager of the Pittsburgh Pirates on Friday after two seasons filled with long losing streaks and little discernible progress.

    The team scheduled an afternoon news conference to announce the dismissal.

    Tracy's patience and back-patting weren't enough to turn around the Pirates. He produced records of 67-95 in 2006 and 68-94 this season, the shortest run of any non-interim Pirates manager since Bill Virdon was fired late into his second season in 1973.

    Tracy's departure means the Pirates will have new front office and on-field leadership in 2008, headed by new team president Frank Coonelly, general manager Neal Huntington and a still-to-be-hired manager. Coonelly and Huntington took over last month, and spent the five days since the season ended weighing a decision on Tracy.

    Tracy's departure has appeared imminent since former general manager Dave Littlefield, who chose Tracy two years ago, was fired Sept. 7. Tracy was due to make $1 million in the final year of his contract.

    The firing means Tracy may not manage next season after spending the previous seven seasons running the Dodgers (2001-05, 427-383 record) and Pirates (2006-07, 135-189). His 280 losses over the last three seasons were the most in the majors.

    The losses in Pittsburgh piled up in a hurry, too -- in only Tracy's second month in May 2006, the Pirates lost a modern era club-record 13 in a row that in effect doomed their season before Memorial Day. They also lost eight in a row in late September 2006.

    This season, they dropped 14 of 16 after the All-Stark break and nine more in a row during a stretch of 13 losses in 15 games to end the season. That poor finish came as the Pirates were weighing whether to bring Tracy back for the final season of his contract.

    Tracy, a 51-year-old former outfielder for the Cubs, becomes the fourth manager to be fired or to leave the Pirates during their ongoing 15-year run of losing seasons, one short of the 1933-48 Phillies' major league record.

    Gene Lamont, Lloyd McClendon and Tracy were let go and Jim Leyland was allowed out of his contract following the 1996 season to manage the Marlins.

    Tracy's hiring by Littlefield in October 2005 generated minimal enthusiasm among Pirates fans after he and the Dodgers mutually parted ways following a 71-91 season in Los Angeles. Many fans were excited about the possible return of Leyland, who still lived in Pittsburgh and wanted to manage again following a six-year layoff.

    By the time the Pirates decided to interview Leyland, he was already on his way to Detroit to take the Tigers' job. Littlefield then chose the man he had apparently targeted from the start in Tracy.

    Among Tracy's promises were to upgrade the level of coaching and to turn around a youthful but underperforming pitching staff.

    While several pitchers emerged during Tracy's two seasons, including left-hander Tom Gorzelanny (14-10, 3.88 ERA this season), right-hander Ian Snell (9-12, 3.76 ERA) and closer Matt Capps (18 saves), others regressed -- notably, left-hander Zach Duke.

    Duke was a dominating 8-2 with a 1.81 ERA as a rookie in 2005. But he never approached those numbers after pitching coach Jim Colborn refined his delivery in spring training 2006, and Duke went 13-23 with a remarkable 416 hits allowed in 322 2-3 innings the last two seasons.

    The Pirates' bullpen also was a season-long disappointment this year. Right-hander Salomon Torres, allowed to pitch in a club record-tying 94 games in '06, had arm problems and never resembled the pitcher he was the previous season.

    Offensively, Tracy's staff could find no solution to first baseman Adam LaRoche's miserable slump to begin the season or Jason Bay's dramatic falloff. Bay went from being one of the NL's most productive left fielders in 2006 (35 homers, 109 RBIs) to one of its least productive this season (.247, 21 homers, 84 RBIs).

    Despite the Pirates' poor records under Tracy, Bay said Sunday he thought the manager should return because two seasons weren't enough to prove his ability with a rebuilding club.

    The Pirates don't need another manager, they need new ownership. The ultra-cheap ownership of the Pirates continue to field teams that rank in the bottom 3 in team salary yeay after year after year. The best baseball manager in the world could not help the Pirates win. Tracy was the front offices latest in the long line of scapegoats. Note to owners: no matter how much you polish a terd it will never turn into gold! Spend some money, field a better team and then it won't matter who the manager is. Do you think the fans actually buy that Jim Tracy was their problem? The Pirates owners are some of the most incompetent in the entire league. No manager can change that!
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    so when will the ownership be fired...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ohio steeler View Post
    so when will the ownership be fired...
    When Nutting get his head of his ***.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ohio steeler View Post
    so when will the ownership be fired...
    When the fans stop coming to watch the poor excuse for baseball that they keep putting on the field each year. These owners betrayed the city of Pittsburgh in my opinion. A lot of false promises were made to the city and the fans about how different baseball would be in Pittsburgh if only you tax paying citizens would agree to build them a new state of the art stadium. How many years has the new stadium now fielded what amounts to a farm league club for the rest of the league to pad their records with?
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    • 24 Padres $58,235,567 $69,725,179 $(11,489,612)
    • 25 Rockies $54,424,000 $41,133,000 $13,291,000
    • 26 D'backs $52,067,546 $59,221,226 $(7,153,680)
    • 27 Pirates $38,604,500 $40,234,833 $(1,630,333)


    The far left number represents the teams placement in terms of 2007 payrolls. As you can see, the 2 teams right ahead of us on the list are both in the playoffs. The 3 teams beneath us were also laughing stock teams that had no chance.

    • 28 Nationals $37,347,500 $63,267,500 $(25,920,000)
    • 29 Marlins $30,507,000 $14,998,500 $15,508,500
    • 30 Devil Rays $24,124,200 $35,417,967 $(11,293,767)


    Nobody is expecting this team to outspend the Yankees or the Red Sox. But as these numbers reveal, just by spending another 15 - 20 mil we could compete. The ownership owes the fans and the city for that new stadium. It's time to ante up for the promises made!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGold4vr View Post
    When the fans stop coming to watch the poor excuse for baseball that they keep putting on the field each year. These owners betrayed the city of Pittsburgh in my opinion. A lot of false promises were made to the city and the fans about how different baseball would be in Pittsburgh if only you tax paying citizens would agree to build them a new state of the art stadium. How many years has the new stadium now fielded what amounts to a farm league club for the rest of the league to pad their records with?
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    • 24 Padres $58,235,567 $69,725,179 $(11,489,612)
    • 25 Rockies $54,424,000 $41,133,000 $13,291,000
    • 26 D'backs $52,067,546 $59,221,226 $(7,153,680)
    • 27 Pirates $38,604,500 $40,234,833 $(1,630,333)


    The far left number represents the teams placement in terms of 2007 payrolls. As you can see, the 2 teams right ahead of us on the list are both in the playoffs. The 3 teams beneath us were also laughing stock teams that had no chance.

    • 28 Nationals $37,347,500 $63,267,500 $(25,920,000)
    • 29 Marlins $30,507,000 $14,998,500 $15,508,500
    • 30 Devil Rays $24,124,200 $35,417,967 $(11,293,767)


    Nobody is expecting this team to outspend the Yankees or the Red Sox. But as these numbers reveal, just by spending another 15 - 20 mil we could compete. The ownership owes the fans and the city for that new stadium. It's time to ante up for the promises made!
    i couldnt agree more i dont even waste my time watching them play anymore i was a huge fan in the early 90s and still am a fan but just disgusted with the organization the last 2 years they said this is the year and we will hear it again next year

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGold4vr View Post
    When the fans stop coming to watch the poor excuse for baseball that they keep putting on the field each year. These owners betrayed the city of Pittsburgh in my opinion. A lot of false promises were made to the city and the fans about how different baseball would be in Pittsburgh if only you tax paying citizens would agree to build them a new state of the art stadium. How many years has the new stadium now fielded what amounts to a farm league club for the rest of the league to pad their records with?
    ------------------------------------------------------------
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    • 24 Padres $58,235,567 $69,725,179 $(11,489,612)
    • 25 Rockies $54,424,000 $41,133,000 $13,291,000
    • 26 D'backs $52,067,546 $59,221,226 $(7,153,680)
    • 27 Pirates $38,604,500 $40,234,833 $(1,630,333)


    The far left number represents the teams placement in terms of 2007 payrolls. As you can see, the 2 teams right ahead of us on the list are both in the playoffs. The 3 teams beneath us were also laughing stock teams that had no chance.

    • 28 Nationals $37,347,500 $63,267,500 $(25,920,000)
    • 29 Marlins $30,507,000 $14,998,500 $15,508,500
    • 30 Devil Rays $24,124,200 $35,417,967 $(11,293,767)


    Nobody is expecting this team to outspend the Yankees or the Red Sox. But as these numbers reveal, just by spending another 15 - 20 mil we could compete. The ownership owes the fans and the city for that new stadium. It's time to ante up for the promises made!
    the time has come for MLB to put in a cap like the NFL has... I have to say it is a shame that each year before the season starts we already know who the teams will be that make a run for the playoff's just because of the money they spend in the off season... I would love to see MLB add a cap and make the Yankees of baseball come down to a level all teams can play at...

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    I agree with you all. The terrible state of the Pirates franchise is not due to Jim Tracy. He is just the scape goat. The Pirates desperately need ownership willing to spend money to put a competitive on the field. We are basically just the minor league team for baseball. We find young talent and have to trade them away because we cannot afford to keep them and we end up getting people who are way past the prime of their career.


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    The post all star game slide and long losing streaks can be attributed in some ways to management, you must change the lineup to some how put together a win. To say Tracy was not part of the problem is not accurate in my mind, he was just as big of a part of the problem as the low payroll was/is as evidenced by what the players were saying at the end of the season. You dont need to spend 75+ to have a competitive team but I think 60 is a good number. This boycott of the Pirates that people talk of serves no purpose, to stay away gives the ownership a larger portion of the profit sharing of the league, money that is supposed to be put into the team but in our case goes into their pockets.
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    I just don't understand how difficult it is to spend a little money when you ake so much money. The Pirates always turn a pretty decent profit, I can't remember the numbers off the top of my head, but it's always a pretty good profit.

    Seriously though, we need a guy like Mark Cuban, he isn't going to get the Cubs, b/c MLB won't allow it, but I could see them letting him buy the Pirates.

    The Bucs are just like the Mavs were when Cuban bought them, in need of a major overhaul. We have some young talent, we just really need someone to be the "star" and Jason Bay isn't it, he is a possible every year All Star, but that's only if he had another big bat in the line-up. You have to feel bad for him, the Pirates are ruining what could be a very good career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ohio steeler View Post
    so when will the ownership be fired...
    Mark Cuban as owner, Phil Garner as manager.



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