Most overrated of all time...

**BBC** · 06-01-2007, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by TEEMONT

Hey I said he was overated....most people here have him as the next Dan marino and throwing for over 30 TD's next year.....which makes him overated. He is a serviceable QB right now, not a franchise QB.

Show me one post that said that.

I'm really curious as to who it is that's "overrating" Ben. No one gives him credit for anything he does. I haven't seen one quarterback ranking that has him in the top 5 in the league, and some don't even have him in the top 10.

You want to talk about Ben's individual accomplishments?

How about having a passer rating above 98 his first two seasons in the league (which ranked in the top five both years). Maybe breaking nearly every passing record for a rookie in NFL history? The team accomplishments (which the team wasn't doing before he showed up, and couldn't do when he was injured), are just icing on Ben's cake, that even further prove that he is much more than "serviceable."

**TEEMONT** · 06-01-2007, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by BBC

Show me one post that said that.

I'm really curious as to who it is that's "overrating" Ben. No one gives him credit for anything he does. I haven't seen one quarterback ranking that has him in the top 5 in the league, and some don't even have him in the top 10.

You want to talk about Ben's individual accomplishments?

How about having a passer rating above 98 his first two seasons in the league (which ranked in the top five both years). Maybe breaking nearly every passing record for a rookie in NFL history? The team accomplishments (which the team wasn't doing before he showed up, and couldn't do when he was injured), are just icing on Ben's cake, that even further prove that he is much more than "serviceable."

Steeler fans overrate Ben, I think he is overrrated as a "franchise QB", he may go on to prove me wrong, I really hope he does. Breaking all of those rookie records doesn't mean a damn thing b/c the only thing he broke in the pllayoffs that year was all of our hopes and dreams, blah, blah, blah. ben is fairly replaceable, which was proved by Charlie Batch last year.

You don't think he is a serviceable QB? LEts compare him to Jake Delhomme...a QB who actually throws the ball more than 25 times a game on avg. And who is in my opinion...and avg QB. This is over the last three years.

Player Att Comp Per TD's INT's YDS GS RTG
Ben 1032 644 62.4% 52 43 8519 41 87.9
Delhomme 1399 835 59.6% 70 42 10112 45 86.0

I didnt include playoff stats, b/c well, that would have probably made Bens stats a little worse and I wante dto give him the benfit of the doubt. So Ben throws 300 passes less than a guy like Jake DelHomme, and he is a franchise QB? He was a stooge in the O Cowher ran. Hopefully Tomlin will allow him to open it up a little bit, b/c I think Ben has some natural talent. But we will see what he does when he has the keys to the car. We usually don't do too well when Ben throws more than 25 times a game. Neither does Ben.

Thats overated for you. And with all the rookie "accolades" you talked about, how many QB's get a chance to start 14 games their rookie year? Not many, outside of Dan Marino, I think. Ben threw more than 25 times in a game one that year. I'd say the Bus was getting it done, not Ben.

**BBC** · 06-01-2007, 04:01 PM

Well, Ben does throw the ball more than 25 times per start on average, but I digress.

I really can't stand the "attempts" argument. There's a reason that Ben didn't throw the ball 40 times a game in his first two seasons...he didn't need to. He built a big enough lead in the first halves that he didn't need to throw the ball late in the game. Cowher would sit on the lead and the Steelers would win (there's a reason Bill only lost one game when he gained a lead of over 10 out of 110 times or so). Ben's passer rating in the first quarter in 2005 (when we won the Super Bowl) topped the NFL, and he had more yards per first quarter than both Peyton Manning and Carson Palmer. Ben wasn't relying on the run to win, he was winning those games.

**kgreen** · 06-01-2007, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by BBC

Well, Ben does throw the ball more than 25 times per start on average, but I digress.

I really can't stand the "attempts" argument. There's a reason that Ben didn't throw the ball 40 times a game in his first two seasons...he didn't need to. He built a big enough lead in the first halves that he didn't need to throw the ball late in the game. Cowher would sit on the lead and the Steelers would win (there's a reason Bill only lost one game when he gained a lead of over 10 out of 110 times or so). Ben's passer rating in the first quarter in 2005 (when we won the Super Bowl) topped the NFL, and he had more yards per first quarter than both Peyton Manning and Carson Palmer. Ben wasn't relying on the run to win, he was winning those games.

Nice points BBC

. Ben does more to win games for than any other QB in the post-Bradshaw era. I mean yes Neil could win to certain point, but he seemed to lose it in playoff games (See Super Bowl XXX). Kordell had his moments but was too eratic. Tommy was good for one year. So enter Ben. We got 15-1 with Ben at the helm. We lose the Patriots, Ben suffers the hit of the Rookie wall. I don't think we need to go over just how valuble he was to us in 2005. When Batch or Tommyw was in there our Offense basically sucked. Ben goes to post season and destroys the secondaries of Denver, Indy and Cinncy. He wins Super Bowl XL by making plays when had to. Hm. That doesn't sound too bad.

Then we enter 2006. Ben goes through a crash that NO ONE could walk away from the same. Goes to training camp and has an awesome camp/preseason. Then the apindectomy + concussion in the Falcons game= a bad season. It should have been enough for him to experience the crash and one concussion but another concussion? I mean you can't expect him to be the same after that? He can't be overrated with everyone bashing him about how stupid and bad he is. Merril Hoge stated it best when he said that Ben is not done developing yet. He was right when he said it takes longer than 2 or 3 years to develope a QB.

So, I think this year he will prove everybody wrong. He will prove that 2005 was just a development year (scary though right?).

**Black@Gold Forever32** · 06-01-2007, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by TEEMONT

Steeler fans overrate Ben, I think he is overrrated as a "franchise QB", he may go on to prove me wrong, I really hope he does. Breaking all of those rookie records doesn't mean a damn thing b/c the only thing he broke in the pllayoffs that year was all of our hopes and dreams, blah, blah, blah. ben is fairly replaceable, which was proved by Charlie Batch last year.

You don't think he is a serviceable QB? LEts compare him to Jake Delhomme...a QB who actually throws the ball more than 25 times a game on avg. And who is in my opinion...and avg QB. This is over the last three years.

Player Att Comp Per TD's INT's YDS GS RTG
Ben 1032 644 62.4% 52 43 8519 41 87.9
Delhomme 1399 835 59.6% 70 42 10112 45 86.0

I didnt include playoff stats, b/c well, that would have probably made Bens stats a little worse and I wante dto give him the benfit of the doubt. So Ben throws 300 passes less than a guy like Jake DelHomme, and he is a franchise QB? He was a stooge in the O Cowher ran. Hopefully Tomlin will allow him to open it up a little bit, b/c I think Ben has some natural talent. But we will see what he does when he has the keys to the car. We usually don't do too well when Ben throws more than 25 times a game. Neither does Ben.

Thats overated for you. And with all the rookie "accolades" you talked about, how many QB's get a chance to start 14 games their rookie year? Not many, outside of Dan Marino, I think. Ben threw more than 25 times in a game one that year. I'd say the Bus was getting it done, not Ben.

Ok, Teemont....How many quarters did Batch play last year? Well the whole game against the Dolphins which would be 4...Then he came in the Falcons game midway in the 3rd quarter against the Falcons when Ben was knocked out....So Batch didn't even play 6 whole quarters...So that proved Batch can replace Ben....

Sorry but that doesn't prove shit.....

**BBC** · 06-01-2007, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by kgreen

Merril Hoge stated it best when he said that Ben is not done developing yet. He was right when he said it takes longer than 2 or 3 years to develope a QB.

There's the other great part about Ben. He's only going into his 4th year, and he's already established as a (at the very least) top 10 QB in the league. Terry Bradshaw wasn't even a decent QB until his 5th or 6th year in the league.