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    Quote Originally Posted by steelcitysfinestXL View Post
    2 things...

    1. Good point about ward.. im not sure... im a lil younger but i thought he decided to enter the NBA before that but i was young when all that happened (good coice for him too!)
    2. I have to disagree with the " Of all the leagues top QB's none of them are small" ... Look at the stature of troy smith who can we compare that to... oh how about last eyars leading passer and 2 time probowler... DREW BREEZ 6'ft TALL, i hear what your saying yeah big guys have a EASIER time adjusting to the NFL... but if you can play you can play and Smith can flat out play... i hope he doesnt get boned cause scouts think he is too small.
    Jeff Garcia-6'1
    Trent Green-6'3
    Mike Vick-6'0
    Kurt Warner-6'1
    ALL Multiple time pro bowlers none have had too shabby careers... its not proto-typical but effective!!!
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    ALL mutiple probowlers, and barely 1 inch taller than smith

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    Quote Originally Posted by K Train View Post
    ala hines ward, randel el, michael robinson, matt jones, brad smith....definite possibilty
    Robinson is a RB now and Smith dosent really look like he could play WR

    40-Time: 4.75

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    robinson is a specialist, RB/WR...hes a weapon with an arm. Theyll get him involved over there, thees not much room at RB with gore running the show now.

    No way that 4.7 is legit.....hes much faster than that on the field....Russle can run a 4.75.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzburgh55 View Post
    Did you just say St Pierre is good
    I said he's a good back-up, there's a difference. You know what I mean, we're good to go at QB, we don't need Smith.


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    Funny alot of listings I have of Smiths 40 time is 4.60.

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    I dont like it, yeah he can be good but he needs to be quarterback.
    Hines can play anywhere on the field and DID at Georgia... if we got thin at safety i'd put him there too in a pinch ala troy brown at corner
    Matt Jones never would of made it as a quarter back and everyone knew it... hell he hasnt done much as a WR but i think he can pan out, he's a great athelete
    Now Randle El was an amazing QB at indiana, i mean he played qb and returned punts, you dont get to see that too often!!!
    Mike Robinson never really got a fair shake, there was no reason he shoulda been behind Zach Mills, hell he souldnt of even been at PSU... he was highly recruited by V-Tech but was talked out of it by Mike Vick...and who did V-Tech grant a scholarship to the following season... the ever-so-loveable Marcus Vick, if Robinson coulda had the chances Marc. Vick had at V-tech he would a been a top 4 qb last year maybe even taken after Leinhart and B4 Cutler!!!
    My point is that Troy Smith doesn really fit the mold of the qbs mentioned by K-train, these were run first/ option guys (maybe not Jones AS MUCH) i think and hope he will have a solid career in the nfl if given a chance...

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelcitysfinestXL View Post
    2 things...

    1. Good point about ward.. im not sure... im a lil younger but i thought he decided to enter the NBA before that but i was young when all that happened (good coice for him too!)
    2. I have to disagree with the " Of all the leagues top QB's none of them are small" ... Look at the stature of troy smith who can we compare that to... oh how about last eyars leading passer and 2 time probowler... DREW BREEZ 6'ft TALL, i hear what your saying yeah big guys have a EASIER time adjusting to the NFL... but if you can play you can play and Smith can flat out play... i hope he doesnt get boned cause scouts think he is too small.
    Jeff Garcia-6'1
    Trent Green-6'3
    Mike Vick-6'0
    Kurt Warner-6'1
    ALL Multiple time pro bowlers none have had too shabby careers... its not proto-typical but effective!!!
    If you read what I said, you would see that I disagree with penalizing Smith because of his size. Hell, I even named a couple small QB's who had great success in the NFL. Smith didn't quite measure out to be 6'0 at the combine. Of the guys you mention above, only Vick misses the mark by a couple of inches and he isn't exactly the prototypical QB. Let's look at some of the other QB's around the league:

    Brett Favre - 6'2
    Tom Brady - 6'4
    Peyton Manning - 6'5
    Donovon McNabb - 6'2
    Ben Roethlisberger - 6'5
    Carson Palmer - 6'5
    Matt Leinert - 6'5

    This years class:
    Jemarcus Russell - 6'6
    Brady Quinn - 6'4

    Are you starting to get the picture? Teams are generally looking for bigger QB's for better arm strength and better durability. Does that mean a smaller guy can't succeed? NO! But smaller guys present more of a RISK!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Black@Gold Forever32 View Post
    Funny alot of listings I have of Smiths 40 time is 4.60.
    http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sco...troysmith.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzburgh55 View Post

    Ok NFL Countdown is always ****ing right. I have seen other sites and many drafts mags list Smith's forty time at 4.60.lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by K Train View Post
    brees 6-0 on his toes
    mcnair-6-2
    favre-6-2
    mcnabb-6-2

    ALL mutiple probowlers, and barely 1 inch taller than smith
    AGREED, the whole QBS have to be 6'3 or better is a bunch of BS... every year there will be a goat for the media and people like us to bash and this year Smith is it, last year, if you all remember, it was said VInce Young had poor mechanics, ran too often and wouldnt be smart enough to move to a pro form offense and he relied to heavily on the talent he had at texas, yeah they hit that one right on the head didnt they

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