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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCsteelersfan View Post
    I called it. F##king troll just looking for a backdoor to knock the QB since he's too pu$$y to say what he actually thinks.
    you love backdooring Ben

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    Quote Originally Posted by K Train View Post
    I get that he wont score TDs in the way Calvin and Fitz do, but he doesnt score TDs the way ward and holmes do either...thats factual.

    Percentage wise back with holmes and ward might not have been different but the WRs were scoring TDs.

    Ben has one of the best PA fakes ive ever seen, his game is clearly on top when theres a running threat...when theres not, he can PA all he wants the d just goes after him since they can stop the run with clear pass rushing defenses.

    Redzone efficiency is a part of scoring TDs, but wallace was TERRIBLE in the redzone and still scored around 10 TDs a year, you want brown to be this complete #1 WR and elite route runner with great speed he should be scoring more than 2-5 TDs a year whether they are passes from inside the 20 or deep passes down the sideline, and broken plays not necessarily a deep ball. he should be able to find the endzone more to get this label as a legit #1

    Last year brown had 5, less than all of the obvious huge guys but also less than Hilton, Shorts, Cruz, Cobb, Alexander, Smith, Maclin, Moore, Crabtree, Tate, Austin, and Stevie johnson.....none of which are in the redzone terror Calvin/Fitz/Julio/Green category, but also none who are in the mike wallace down the sideline category either.

    Imo he stepped his game up this year so far, but he needs to be better, and he needs to be the complimentary WR to someone.

    I know hes pretty much useless and doesnt give a **** anymore, but I miss holmes
    a lot of praise for Holmes and his back to back 5 TD seasons... and im not sure what listing all the guys with more TDs is supposed to mean without more context specific to each one of them... do you think all the QBs who threw more TDs than Ben last year, are better?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCsteelersfan View Post
    K-Train explained why, but maybe you missed it. I will add to that poster's reason by saying this:

    1. What is that list ordered by? As far as I can see, it looks like it's ordered by attempts. How exactly do redzone pass attempts gauge a quarterback's redzone efficiency?

    2. What's the point of highlighting the fact that Roethlisberger and Sanchez are next to each other based on attempts? What does "that's embarrassing" mean? Is there an implication that Roethlisberger is as good/bad as Mark Sanchez in the redzone?

    If Sanchez and Roethlisberger are being compared by pass attempts in the redzone, then yes, they're similar. But once again, what exactly does pass attempts have to do with how good a quarterback is if the other numbers are not taken into account?

    Sanchez is at 49 percent completion percentage and throws an interception 21 percent of the time in the redzone.

    Roethlisberger is at 52 percent completion percentage and throws an interception 12 percent of the time in the redzone.

    A person would say, well their completion percentages are pretty close. Which is true, except the guy who is "5th" on this list based on the idiotic set order has a completion percentage of 51 and throws an interception 18 percent of the time.

    And the guy who is "6th" on the list has a completion percentage of 56 and throws an interception 12 percent of the time in the redzone.

    And the guy "18th" on this list has a completion percentage of 57 and throws an interception only 5 percent of the time.

    Basically, you remove the 4 guys on top of this list and everyone else is pretty much closely comparable to one another.

    So I'll ask you again because his response is useless:

    1. What was the point of the ordered list other than to show Roethlisberger and Sanchez next to each other on a list with his remark ?

    2. How did that list demonstrate that

    3. How did that list in anyway show that Brown makes Roethlisberger better OR that Brown doesn't score TDs because of Roethlisberger?
    199 attempts/39 TDs/19.5%
    188 attempts/42 TDs/22.3%
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    here's the same list sorted by TD%
    Att Com yds td int comp % td %
    Rodgers 239 153 1,060 75 2 64.02% 31.38%
    Manning 174 101 737 54 2 58.05% 31.03%
    Brady 271 164 1,217 80 4 60.52% 29.52%
    Brees 311 196 1,364 86 7 63.02% 27.65%
    Cassel 103 54 377 28 1 52.43% 27.18%
    Fitzpatrick 205 112 837 52 8 54.63% 25.37%
    Freeman 205 120 919 52 6 58.54% 25.37%
    Ponder 103 65 436 26 4 63.11% 25.24%
    Dalton 141 78 564 35 0 55.32% 24.82%
    Ryan 269 154 1,048 66 4 57.25% 24.54%
    Romo 170 97 673 41 2 57.06% 24.12%
    Stafford 209 103 789 50 7 49.28% 23.92%
    Schaub 172 93 639 41 4 54.07% 23.84%
    Rivers 210 117 846 50 6 55.71% 23.81%
    Cutler 151 76 596 35 3 50.33% 23.18%
    Roethlisberger 188 97 661 42 5 51.60% 22.34%
    Palmer 175 93 595 39 7 53.14% 22.29%
    Flacco 171 76 662 38 4 44.44% 22.22%
    E.Manning 232 118 839 50 9 50.86% 21.55%
    Smith 124 70 440 25 2 56.45% 20.16%
    Sanchez 199 97 718 39 8 48.74% 19.60%
    Henne 109 54 395 21 4 49.54% 19.27%
    Hasselbeck 141 78 556 27 2 55.32% 19.15%
    Vick 183 96 580 35 7 52.46% 19.13%
    Orton 109 50 337 20 1 45.87% 18.35%
    Newton 123 50 393 21 5 40.65% 17.07%
    Bradford 182 86 578 29 8 47.25% 15.93%
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeilPatrickBanana View Post
    199 attempts/39 TDs/19.5%
    188 attempts/42 TDs/22.3%
    Worthless response, which is why I told you not to bother responding.

    TD per attempt percentage? The original list you posted is not ordered by TD per attempt percentage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeilPatrickBanana View Post
    here's the same list sorted by TD%
    Att Com yds td int comp % td %
    Rodgers 239 153 1,060 75 2 64.02% 31.38%
    Manning 174 101 737 54 2 58.05% 31.03%
    Brady 271 164 1,217 80 4 60.52% 29.52%
    Brees 311 196 1,364 86 7 63.02% 27.65%
    Cassel 103 54 377 28 1 52.43% 27.18%
    Fitzpatrick 205 112 837 52 8 54.63% 25.37%
    Freeman 205 120 919 52 6 58.54% 25.37%
    Ponder 103 65 436 26 4 63.11% 25.24%
    Dalton 141 78 564 35 0 55.32% 24.82%
    Ryan 269 154 1,048 66 4 57.25% 24.54%
    Romo 170 97 673 41 2 57.06% 24.12%
    Stafford 209 103 789 50 7 49.28% 23.92%
    Schaub 172 93 639 41 4 54.07% 23.84%
    Rivers 210 117 846 50 6 55.71% 23.81%
    Cutler 151 76 596 35 3 50.33% 23.18%
    Roethlisberger 188 97 661 42 5 51.60% 22.34%
    Palmer 175 93 595 39 7 53.14% 22.29%
    Flacco 171 76 662 38 4 44.44% 22.22%
    E.Manning 232 118 839 50 9 50.86% 21.55%
    Smith 124 70 440 25 2 56.45% 20.16%
    Sanchez 199 97 718 39 8 48.74% 19.60%
    Henne 109 54 395 21 4 49.54% 19.27%
    Hasselbeck 141 78 556 27 2 55.32% 19.15%
    Vick 183 96 580 35 7 52.46% 19.13%
    Orton 109 50 337 20 1 45.87% 18.35%
    Newton 123 50 393 21 5 40.65% 17.07%
    Bradford 182 86 578 29 8 47.25% 15.93%
    That's wonderful. That's not what the first list was ordered by where you specifically made it a point to put Roethlisberger and Sanchez next to one another with Sanchez ahead of Roethlisberger.

    And this ranking by TD per attempt proves what? That Ponder is a better redzone quarterback than Ryan, Romo, Stafford, Rivers, Cutler, Roethlisberger, Flacco, Eli Manning, and Bradford? Oh okay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TarlsQtr View Post
    I have no interest in getting in the middle of two other posters in a pi$$ing match, so I will not respond even if you reply, but all I ever see NPB do is call it as he sees it. Like all of us, sometimes he does not do it the right way but he speaks both positively and negatively about Ben and the team in general. That is called nuance, something many posters lack (Blame Colbert. Blame Tomlin. Blame Haley. Blame DLB.). It is seldom a case of "Player A is elite" or "Player A sucks." Usually, it is somewhere in between. This is true of Ben. He has some qualities that he does better than most anybody and others that he is lacking.

    I am not sure why pointing out that Ben's numbers in the red zone are not that great (a supportable opinion even if you disagree) and that it impacts the TDs by WRs has controversy attached to it to the point that you would accuse someone of hating Ben.
    thanks. i appreciate the even keeled response and recognition. but it's pointless with NYC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCsteelersfan View Post
    That's wonderful. That's not what the first list was ordered by where you specifically made it a point to put Roethlisberger and Sanchez next to one another with Sanchez ahead of Roethlisberger.

    And this ranking by TD per attempt proves what? That Ponder is a better redzone quarterback than Ryan, Romo, Stafford, Rivers, Cutler, Roethlisberger, Flacco, Eli Manning, and Bradford? Oh okay.
    the original order came from the site that had the statistics and sorted by the first column... i didn't put them together.

    when reviewing the data and seeing that ben had a similar number of attempts/tds as Sanchez... it was embarrassing to me...

    each of the reasons why those players have those rankings can be investigated on the merrits, and example being Ponder (dominant running game + percy harvin = red zone success)
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCsteelersfan View Post
    Worthless response, which is why I told you not to bother responding.

    TD per attempt percentage? The original list you posted is not ordered by TD per attempt percentage.
    yea... sorry, i forgot you need everything spelled out for you...

    kind of like how 37.5% of something is "the worst"
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeilPatrickBanana View Post
    the original order came from the site that had the statistics and sorted by the first column... i didn't put them together.

    when reviewing the data and seeing that ben had a similar number of attempts/tds as Sanchez... it was embarrassing to me...

    each of the reasons why those players have those rankings can be investigated on the merrits, and example being Ponder (dominant running game + percy harvin = red zone success)
    So the original list that you posted was organized by the website by only attempts, which put Sanchez ahead of Roethlisberger, which you thought was embarrassing, but you actually meant to organize it by TDs per attempt (rather than TD/INT ratio or overall completion percentage) which puts Ponder, Cassel, Fitzpatrick, Freeman and Dalton ahead of Roethlisberger while also placing them ahead of Romo, Stafford, Rivers, Cutler, Flacco, Eli Manning and Bradford. But all the rankings "can be investigated on their merits," which includes reasons irrelevant to the quarterback himself?

    So once again, what exactly did the first list or second list prove or explain or support? You already explained what the first list you posted showed: nothing. Posting that list was a fluke.

    So again, what does the second list show?

    Just so you know, which I'm sure you already do, you've made a complete fool out of yourself in this thread with your nonsensical statements and laughable doublespeak. Please continue.

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