Roethlisberger versus other "elite" QBs

**NYCsteelersfan** · 09-09-2013, 10:48 PM

Imagine if one of the Manning brothers, or Tom Brady were given the same caliber team that the Steelers have currently given Roethlisberger. What would the reaction be?

You can argue how elite any of these quarterbacks are, but what you can't argue are facts, and the facts include, but are not limited to:

1. Roethlisberger is a two time SB champion.
2. His post season stats overall are much better than average.
3. His regular season stats are among the greatest of all time.
4. He's among the top paid quarterbacks in the league.

Given those facts, how does the Steelers organization justify surrounding a quarterback of that caliber with the current receivers and offensive line?

**Big T** · 09-09-2013, 11:06 PM

The receivers aren't the problem. You're acting like they've neglected the offensive line. They've drafted two 1st and two 2nds in very recent drafts. They've absolutely put a priority on protecting Ben. Pouncey is good but the injuries have been setbacks. Gilbert, DeCastro, and Adams haven't been given a fair shake. Adams and DeCastro have barely played at all and you seem ready to call them busts. It's their second year after their rookie years were destroyed but injuries. Let's give them some time, shall we?

**questforSB7** · 09-09-2013, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by Big T

The receivers aren't the problem. You're acting like they've neglected the offensive line. They've drafted two 1st and two 2nds in very recent drafts. They've absolutely put a priority on protecting Ben. Pouncey is good but the injuries have been setbacks. Gilbert, DeCastro, and Adams haven't been given a fair shake. Adams and DeCastro have barely played at all and you seem ready to call them busts. It's their second year after their rookie years were destroyed but injuries. Let's give them some time, shall we?

I agree to a point. But the mistakes I have seen Gilbert make are not due to a lack of playing time. He has had alot of PT. And yet he is slothful, has horrible technique, ect. And what do we do in the meantime when your Franchise QB has made it clear, he does NOT like Todd Haley's offense ? What do you do with Sanders while this OL gets time to Gel ? I mean why keep him at all ? It's not like he is gonna make a difference for our future. And I think anyone really believing that Pittsburgh will give this guy the type of long term contract that he will want are Nuts. But he does have value as a trade chip. So why not get a chip for him now, and play someone like Moye who we CAN secure here now, get valuable field time and secure a draft pick for someone who AT BEST will garnish us maybe a 5th round draft pick compensation 2 years from now ?

I think if Bell shows some things, and once the in his prime right now Miller comesback, we have the talent to win. Only thing that is holding us back is that young OL. So the front office should have known this, and made a better attempt to keep some of the Vet O-Linemen that have played with Ben. And know defenses, and one another ? Players like Colon, and Legursky ?
If you stand pat with these young guys, by the time they're ready, we won't have Sanders. And Heath Miller will be getting worse, not better. Not to mention defensive Vets like Troy, and Ike, and maybe Clark will be gone/released due to Cap Issues.

**Get7With7** · 09-09-2013, 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by Big T

The receivers aren't the problem. You're acting like they've neglected the offensive line. They've drafted two 1st and two 2nds in very recent drafts. They've absolutely put a priority on protecting Ben. Pouncey is good but the injuries have been setbacks. Gilbert, DeCastro, and Adams haven't been given a fair shake. Adams and DeCastro have barely played at all and you seem ready to call them busts. It's their second year after their rookie years were destroyed but injuries. Let's give them some time, shall we?

Yes, the receivers ARE a problem. Brown is a #2, not a #1. Sanders is a #3, not a #2. Wheaton might be able to replace what Wallace brought the Steelers, but he hardly played on the offense against the Titans, if at all.

In regards to the offensive line, it might have pedigree, but it isn't proven. Those other QBs have lines that are PROVEN. Giving the offensive line "time to gel" doesn't cut it when your franchise QB gets sacked five times.

Yes lol. Have you not seen how Tom Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Brees have made "dime a dozen" receivers look like All-Pros?

Have you also noticed that those teams have better receivers? You are BADLY overrating Brown and Sanders.

When you compare the way the Steelers have treated Ben to the way other teams treat their franchise QBs, it's not even close. The Steelers do not put Ben in a position to succeed.

**NYCsteelersfan** · 09-09-2013, 11:33 PM

Originally Posted by Get7With7

Yes, the receivers ARE a problem. Brown is a #2, not a #1. Sanders is a #3, not a #2. Wheaton might be able to replace what Wallace brought the Steelers, but he hardly played on the offense against the Titans, if at all.

In regards to the offensive line, it might have pedigree, but it isn't proven. Those other QBs have lines that are PROVEN. Giving the offensive line "time to gel" doesn't cut it when your franchise QB gets sacked five times.

Have you also noticed that those teams have better receivers? You are BADLY overrating Brown and Sanders.

When you compare the way the Steelers have treated Ben to the way other teams treat their franchise QBs, it's not even close. The Steelers do not put Ben in a position to succeed.

Thank you.

**NYCsteelersfan** · 09-09-2013, 11:16 PM

So if other elite QBs in the league had Antonio Brown, Sander and Wheaton as their 1, 2 and 3 receivers, the general consensus would be that the receivers aren't a problem?

And at what point does a team admit the offensive line has not been fixed through the draft and dips into free agency?

**Big T** · 09-09-2013, 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by NYCsteelersfan

So if other elite QBs in the league had Antonio Brown, Sander and Wheaton as their 1, 2 and 3 receivers, the general consensus would be that the receivers aren't a problem?

Yes lol. Have you not seen how Tom Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Brees have made "dime a dozen" receivers look like All-Pros?

**NYCsteelersfan** · 09-09-2013, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by Big T

Yes lol. Have you not seen how Tom Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Brees have made "dime a dozen" receivers look like All-Pros?

Tell me when Brady, Rodgers, Brees or either Manning ever had THREE receivers of equal caliber to the Steelers current receiving core. Don't name one "dime a dozen receiver" who was Brady's third receiver amongst Moss and Welker. Name an entire starting receiving core for one of those quarterbacks that was on par with Brown, Sanders and Wheaton.

**Big T** · 09-09-2013, 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by NYCsteelersfan

Tell me when Brady, Rodgers, Brees or either Manning ever had THREE receivers of equal caliber to the Steelers current receiving core. Don't name one "dime a dozen receiver" who was Brady's third receiver amongst Moss and Welker. Name an entire starting receiving core for one of those quarterbacks that was on par with Brown, Sanders and Wheaton.

I'm not quite understanding of how Sanders and Brown have become scrubs all of a sudden. And how can you possibly have any idea of what caliber a reciever Wheaton is. You sound ridiculous. Not to mention that, at the moment, Cotchery is currently the 3rd receiver. I've always hated how the Steelers have just let their #1 receivers walk (Burress, Holmes, Wallace), and I hate that we don't have a true #1 receiver... But Brown and Sanders are not the scrubs you are making them out to be and we have no idea what Wheaton is/will be.

**Get7With7** · 09-09-2013, 11:43 PM

Originally Posted by Big T

I'm not quite understanding of how Sanders and Brown have become scrubs all of a sudden. And how can you possibly have any idea of what caliber a reciever Wheaton is. You sound ridiculous. Not to mention that, at the moment, Cotchery is currently the 3rd receiver. I've always hated how the Steelers have just let their #1 receivers walk (Burress, Holmes, Wallace), and I hate that we don't have a true #1 receiver... But Brown and Sanders are not the scrubs you are making them out to be and we have no idea what Wheaton is/will be.

Because they've played like it, that's why. They've badly regressed since the 2011 season. They cannot make the tough catches. Hell, it's about 50/50 they drop perfectly thrown balls.

Wheaton won't play because "it's not the Steeler way" to play rookies so often.