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    Quote Originally Posted by NeilPatrickBanana View Post
    The facts are right there for you to see. It's just over your head
    That would be you guys. Like I said, you can't dismiss others for their opinions and demand facts while at the same time proclaim YOUR opinion as fact.

    Same rules for everyone there clown shoes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash View Post
    That would be you guys. Like I said, you can't dismiss others for their opinions and demand facts while at the same time proclaim YOUR opinion as fact.

    Same rules for everyone there clown shoes.
    You probably think a lot of stuff in life is just someone else's opinion. Lol

    You can go to the tape and have a Ted Theodore Logan moment with yourself, if you'd like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash View Post
    He was accused of spiking a girl's drink, kidnapping, and then participating in a gang rape.

    Was all set to go to trial in a civil suit.

    Then they decided to pay her off instead.
    Never heard that story. Have no idea of validity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ice cream glove View Post
    Never heard that story. Have no idea of validity.
    Lawsuit says athletes raped woman in LV

    Woman alleges four pro football players drugged her first

    By J.M. KALIL
    LAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL

    A woman filed a lawsuit Thursday accusing four professional football players of drugging and then raping her in a Las Vegas apartment and a Strip hotel room in May 2000.

    Detroit Lions quarterback Charlie Batch, Lions safety Ron Rice, Miami Dolphins wide receiver Dedric Ward, and former Lions defensive back Ty Talton, are named as defendants in the lawsuit, which seeks unspecified damages in excess of $20,000.

    The lawsuit says Lisa Hardin believes a date rape drug was slipped into her drink while she was with the athletes at Mandalay Bay on May 6, 2000. The lawsuit, filed in Clark County District Court, alleges she has fragmented memories of the following hours, but can recall the four players repeatedly raping her, as well as one of them ignoring her pleas to stop.

    "I vehemently deny the allegations," Batch said in a statement. "These accusations are just another example of how success in sports makes someone a target. The courts will provide my complete vindication."

    Ward said he hopes the accusations won't prompt fans to rush to judgment.

    "These allegations are completely false and totally without merit," Ward said in a statement. "The Las Vegas Police Department did a thorough investigation and found no validity whatsoever to those allegations. I will vigorously defend myself against these baseless and unfounded allegations."

    Reached at his Beloit, Wis., home, Talton's father said he talked to his son about the lawsuit Thursday afternoon. "He knows about it, and he said he has no comment," Butler Talton said.

    Attempts to reach Rice and his agent were not successful Thursday. NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said the league was looking into the allegations.

    Las Vegas authorities investigated Hardin's allegations for three months last year and interviewed some of the players, but criminal charges were not filed.

    Clark County Chief Deputy District Attorney Doug Herndon said several prosecutors thoroughly evaluated the statements and other evidence gathered by police between May and mid-August 2000.

    "A review of everything seemed to indicate that crimes did occur. It seemed to be absolutely clear that this woman was subjected to sexual acts by a number of guys," said Herndon, head of the office's Special Victims Unit. "But it was also clear that she was highly intoxicated or drugged at the time. ... We didn't think there was enough evidence to take it before a jury and win a conviction."

    Las Vegas police Lt. Jeff Carlson said sexual assault detectives interviewed three of the four players during an investigation that lasted from May to mid-August 2000. Carlson said the three players admitted having sex with her.

    "But they said it was consensual," the lieutenant said. "The players had pretty consistent stories."

    The lawsuit says Hardin, who was 33 and lived in Bellevue, Wash., at the time, was in Las Vegas for a friend's wedding. She met Batch, Ward and Talton -- who has played in the Arena Football League and the XFL of late -- about 8 p.m. The players asked her to sit down at their table inside the Rumjungle nightclub, Hardin attorney John Lukens said.

    While she talked with them, the players "repeatedly encouraged her to have a drink with them," the lawsuit says. She finished the drink, and the players suggested they leave together, the lawsuit says.

    Lukens said Hardin believes the players surreptitiously put gamma hydroxybutyrate acid, an illegal substance known as GHB, or a similar drug into her drink. She has only partial memories of the next four to six hours, the lawsuit says.

    Hardin recalls going to Ward's apartment at 10175 Spring Mountain Road, where she says she was repeatedly raped vaginally and orally by Batch, Talton and Ward.

    The lawsuit says she remembers returning to Mandalay Bay, where Ward dropped her off with Batch and Talton on his way to the airport. She contends Batch, Talton and Rice then raped her again in a hotel room at the Strip resort while she was "semi-conscious." The lawsuit says she begged Talton to "stop hurting her" as he raped her in the bathroom.

    The defendants and Hardin then left the room. Hardin met some friends in the resort's casino, then went to sleep in her hotel room.

    Hardin flew home May 7 and sought medical treatment May 8, Lukens said.

    Lt. Tom Monahan said Las Vegas police began investigating the case May 10, 2000, two days after Hardin was examined at a Seattle hospital and reported her allegations to Seattle police.

    Lukens, a former deputy district attorney who for years headed the unit that prosecutes sexual assaults, said prosecutors might not have been able to meet evidentiary standards to pursue criminal charges against the players, but he is certain Hardin's civil lawsuit will be successful.

    Prosecutors in a criminal case must prove a defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. The plaintiff in a civil lawsuit must meet a lower evidentiary burden.

    He compared the case to the O.J. Simpson murder trial, in which Simpson was acquitted of criminal wrongdoing but later found civilly liable for the 1994 slaying of Ron Goldman.

    Herndon said the decision not to prosecute the players was not made quickly.

    "It was a difficult decision, and the case wasn't clear-cut," Herndon said. "But unfortunately, you can't file charges against someone just because you think a crime occurred. There are standards of proof."

    Not referring specifically to Hardin's case, Monahan said it is typical for rape victims not to report what happened to police for days because they are humiliated or blame themselves for what happened.

    "That certainly makes it more difficult, because potential evidence could be destroyed," Monahan said.

    Herndon and Monahan said rapes in which the victim claims to have been highly intoxicated or drugged at the time are even more difficult to prosecute because the victim has no memory or partial memory of the events, while suspects often say they remember everything clearly and that nothing criminal occurred.

    Attempts to reach Hardin on Thursday were unsuccessful. Her attorneys refused to say where she lives now.

    They described her as a single, soft-spoken, strikingly attractive woman who works as representative for a pharmaceutical company.

    Lukens said Hardin was considering not filing the lawsuit Wednesday because of the embarrassment that would accompany the case's expected high level of publicity.

    "Do you suffer in silence?" Lukens asked. "Do you remain a victim or do you put your foot down and go after justice? She made her final decision."
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    Batch was set to go to trial by jury, they settled prior to it.

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    I remember that story. These story's are always so hard to really find out the truth. The athlete denies it but the defendant swears by it. There usually isn't enough evidence to convict but usually end up being thrown out or settled. Which in the case of the pay offs it really makes your wonder. If a woman was really raped does money make them forget all about it? So hard to say. A lot of women don't even come forward. The one's that are brave enough to do it I have all the respect in the world for them. In my lifetime I have come to know several who have had this unfortunate act happen to them. And they are both strong women. Athletes if are guilty of the act should not be let off so easy or be above the avg man/woman. But all cases with athletes or celebs you have to take with some skepticism. And it just makes it that much tougher for the authorities to determine.
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    Compare this statement in the Batch case:

    Clark County Chief Deputy District Attorney Doug Herndon said several prosecutors thoroughly evaluated the statements and other evidence gathered by police between May and mid-August 2000.

    "A review of everything seemed to indicate that crimes did occur. It seemed to be absolutely clear that this woman was subjected to sexual acts by a number of guys," said Herndon, head of the office's Special Victims Unit. "But it was also clear that she was highly intoxicated or drugged at the time. ... We didn't think there was enough evidence to take it before a jury and win a conviction."

    To this statement in the Ben Georgia case by DA Bright:

    "I live in the world of 'beyond a reasonable doubt.' An honest answer: It's debatable. If you want my candid feeling, looking at all the evidence here, we don't even have probable cause. Probable cause is the standard to make an arrest, and we did not have probable cause. No arrest was made in this case, so there's no warrant to dismiss. We didn't even have probable cause in this case."

    For DA Bright to admit, after a same night examination of the accuser that he didn't even have probable cause? Spoke volumes.

    Yeah Ben is a pariah in Pittsburgh while Batch is the Hometown Hero.

    Makes no sense. None.

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    Overstate things much?

    I suspect that you have no idea what "pariah" means.

    The only difference is that people are going to remember what the SB winning QB for the Pittsburgh Steelers was accused of (twice) and may not remember an older incident when the guy was an obscure player on Detroit.

    To say that Ben is a "pariah" in Pittsburgh is a joke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TarlsQtr View Post
    Overstate things much?

    I suspect that you have no idea what "pariah" means.

    The only difference is that people are going to remember what the SB winning QB for the Pittsburgh Steelers was accused of (twice) and may not remember an older incident when the guy was an obscure player on Detroit.

    To say that Ben is a "pariah" in Pittsburgh is a joke.
    I'm talking about PITTSBURGH.

    RIGHT NOW, Batch IN Pittsburgh, is a hometown hero.

    RIGHT NOW, Ben IN Pittsburgh, by many, is a pariah.

    You can't deny this if you spend any time in that city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash View Post
    I'm talking about PITTSBURGH.

    RIGHT NOW, Batch IN Pittsburgh, is a hometown hero.

    RIGHT NOW, Ben IN Pittsburgh, by many, is a pariah.

    You can't deny this if you spend any time in that city.
    ROTFLMAO. So, in Ben's case (twice at least) an accusation shouldn't be enough proof that he did any wrongdoing, but in Batch's case, you want to consider him guilty from accusation alone. You NEVER offer ANYTHING but double standards on any of your positions, and that makes you a total joke. Also, a players reputation is based on how he behaves while in his current city. Batch's accusation happened when he was playing for Detroit. Ben's KNOWN transgressions happened when he was a Steeler. Plus, I never heard any stories of Charlie being wasted in Pgh, groping girls sexual parts, racking up giant bar bills to only bail without paying. I know girls who live in downtown Pgh. And they verified all of those stories about Ben. I never heard any such stories about Batch in Pgh. But don't let reality get in your way, Clown. Ben has been a jerk in Pgh. Charlie hasn't.

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    I never said Batch was guilty at all.

    If anything, people with common sense and brains should actually use Batch as an example of a player who DID change from some past questionable behavior and became a better person.

    But because Batch is from Pittsburgh? It's like his accusation doesn't even exist.

    Plus, I never heard any stories of Charlie being wasted in Pgh, groping girls sexual parts, racking up giant bar bills to only bail without paying.
    Batch can't pay anything. He's broke.

    Facts prove Ben did not do what he was accused of. Great QBs can't change forensic medicine and science. Bright's no probable cause statement should have been the end of it.

    I know girls who live in downtown Pgh. And they verified all of those stories about Ben.
    Well that settles it. I'm convinced. LOL

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