i wouldnt waste a 1st on any of the TEs in this draft...
tackles work much better in space when they have stud guards playing, im just not that high on cooper right now his weight is a serious concern for me. i cant think of a single dline i wouldnt feel comfortable playing warmack, pouncey, and decastro against.
Mike adams is a great second level player, gilbert not so much but by upgrading the interior with guys who can move, move others, and pass block (all three would be awesome at all of them) that allows the tackles to play in space.
They are going much more like the saints than they are the broncos (shanny) or texans (kubiak) or the chiefs (we dont have a one cut runner like charles, foster, or any broncos back from the last decade). Saints got studs in nicks and evans (and now grubbs) but they arent really pure zone guys, but they allow them to play anyone at tackle effectively
Warmack, like decasto is a top 5 player in the draft...if he or jones are there it would be tough to pass.....i do like ertz there too, as well as vacarro, mingo, eifert, patterson, allen.
aside from that though, im not opposed to drafting frederick in 2 and making pouncey the best LG in the league (and probably take a load off his ankles)
side note: Dion Jordan is really souring on me as a first round pick lately, i was on board for a while but the more i watch the more i think hes gonna be aaron maybin. he looks like hes gonna be under 230 which is scary
Last edited by K Train; 02-11-2013 at 11:51 PM.
with Haley and Bicknell... I think it's patently ridiculous to say they aren't going to be like the Chiefs because they lack a 1 cut runner. They will be adding RBs both through FA and the draft. They most definitely will be going towards 1 cut, stretch zone scheme.
The running game you saw this year was the Arians/Kirby running game... they will be installing an entirely new running game.
Jordan played the entire season with a torn labrum... i'm not worried, because the athletic talent is visible on tape. I hate the Maybin comparison. Maybin was a pure DE... and even the tape showed you that he was a one trick pony, who was going to struggle when his first step was neutralized by NFL Tackles, and his skillsets as a rusher were non existant after that first step. Too often explosion off the line is confused for athleticism and speed. Maybin was slow as mollasas. And his explosion at the NFL level was not nearly enough to make up for his shortcomings in speed and technique.
Jordan is playing all over the field. His athleticism is on display in multiple fronts and multiple roles. Is he raw? Yup, but he has the things that can't be taught and nothing that indicates he anything less.
6'6" physical te. I'd take them all day. I'm sure we can get one later in the draft. However I'd move back in the round unless Warmack is the. I'd snatch Warmack.
and as far as warmack goes, i guess were not going to agree but he can play in the new system just as good...all teams run some variation of power man and ZBS, i get what they were doing in KC in drafting guys like asamoah and hudson (hudson is a guy that was undersized but so perfectly technically sound, i swear he didnt miss a block his entire 4 years starting for FSU) but its not like albert and winston are the prototypes for ZBS OTs.
I am not saying they need a player like warmack, but theres not way cooper would make them better than warmack would. I would not want Larry Warford, he does not fit and he can not move...warmack definitely can
Id prefer a WR anyway, or pass rusher, or TE....just saying how Jordan doesnt seem like the best fit to me anymore
Last edited by K Train; 02-12-2013 at 12:20 PM.
Jonathan Cooper checks into the combine at 311 pounds, he is poised to skyrocket up boards at that weight
For me, Jordan is comparable to Troy P, in the sense that he's an athletic freak who you design a defense around. I'm not worried about his size as long as the idea in drafting him isn't to line him up in the same position and run the same plays that you did with James Harrison.
I think Jordan is a potential game changer, and you draft him as such.
Imo hes 3rd on potential pass rushers for us...hes very comfortable in space which would help him out tremendously, but we could be looking at demarcus ware or we could be looking at julian peterson/manny lawson who is a bad fit for us, despite being good players.
Jarvis Jones imo is better than Von Miller was
Barkevious Mingo is better than Aldon Smith
then you have Dion Jordan, who has all the tools but hes not going to be a plug and play player like everyone around here wants...im just saying right now that if the steelers draft a guy like jordan or cordarelle patterson we are going to have a lot of people bitching about how they are busts right away but they are guys that are going to need patience
His 40 time might shoot him to the jets at 9 though
Last edited by K Train; 02-21-2013 at 05:58 PM.
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