You are right, a lack of talent does.Talent has nothing to do with any of those things.
Ben has 2 rings too.
The fact that Ben's not a Manning and doesn't kiss media *** (which is why he didn't win MVP) means nothing to me.
You are right, a lack of talent does.Talent has nothing to do with any of those things.
Ben has 2 rings too.
The fact that Ben's not a Manning and doesn't kiss media *** (which is why he didn't win MVP) means nothing to me.
Your conspiracy theories mean nothingOriginally Posted by Crash
Ben and Eli have both had up and down regular seasons
Both have showed up big time in certain playoff runs
Both have 2 rings
One of them has 2 MVPs
Those are facts. They aren't opinions or theories or lunatic conspiracy theories. And it's not "spin" like you so often attempt. It's straight simple fact... So when giving them a score in the category of "Career", Eli clearly has the SLIGHT edge
Now, if you want to debate "TALENT", I'd be glad to. But you've demonstrated no ability to get into the details of QB talents.
Days since it was noted that Crash is afraid to post a QB ranking of his own : 5
That is incorrect, Ben by far is the more consistent of the two. It's not even close when you ignore Eli's last name.Ben and Eli have both had up and down regular seasons
Eli has two regular seasons with a passer rating of 90 or better in 9 years. Ben has seven in 9 years.
Ben's career passer rating is 10 points HIGHER. That is a significant jump. Eli has had 4 of nine season where his passer rating was under 80 FFS, Ben did it once in 9 years.
Ben's TD percentage is better, and his INT percentage is better also.
Eli's CAREER passing completion rate is under 59 percent. Ben? 63 percent. YPA? A mere 7.1 compared to Ben's 7.9.
Eli has started 9 more regular season games than Ben, and yet has 9 LESS wins than Ben does.
Then you can't rank Peyton ahead of Ben.So when giving them a score in the category of "Career", Eli clearly has the SLIGHT edge
Sorry, not possible.
Ben AND Eli have BOTH been better than Peyton in the playoffs.
If you want to rank Eli ahead of Ben? Then Ben MUST be ranked higher than Peyton if the agenda is not anti-Roethlisberger.
Wow... look at all these factors that come into the picture when you need to defend Ben. Funny how Regular season passer rating, TD to INT ratio, Comp percent... all of these stats mean NOTHING to you when discussing Peyton and Brady.
Again... this is why you won't post a list. Because your inconsistency will be torn to shreds... you're scared, it shows.
Again... you have trouble understanding the concept of an "overall" rating based on 4 distinct ratings. 2 of those ratings being very opinionated and 2 of those ratings being derived from results/stats.Then you can't rank Peyton ahead of Ben.
Sorry, not possible.
Ben AND Eli have BOTH been better than Peyton in the playoffs.
If you want to rank Eli ahead of Ben? Then Ben MUST be ranked higher than Peyton if the agenda is not anti-Roethlisberger.
That was the entire purpose of this thread.
Would you like to provide a measurable criteria of your own... something that is consistently applied across all QBs? Because right now, you choose a narrow minded criteria for each QB that allows you to pidgeon hole them into your belief.
Example... for Peyton, all you look at is playoff losses. For Brady, all you look at is NOT winning a super bowl the last 7 years.
Days since it was noted that Crash is afraid to post a QB ranking of his own : 5
Incorrect as usual. I also mention the fact that the alleged most talented QB ever, in his lone SB winning season, was carried by his running game and his defense when he threw 3 TD passes and 7 picks in four games.Example... for Peyton, all you look at is playoff losses.
Once again, incorrect as usual. I look at the fact that since Brady and his team were caught CHEATING, that the same player who was being considered the best QB in playoff history, all of the sudden looks pretty ordinary in the playoffs.For Brady, all you look at is NOT winning a super bowl the last 7 years.
You can't ignore Brady's performances in the playoffs pre and post Spygate if you want to be taken seriously.
Sorry.
The ONLY thing Peyton has over Ben was a dome and a 6 year head start to his regular season stat pile.
You are the gift that keeps on giving. Please... never leave.
Anyway... again, you referred to post season only. Unlike your Ben/Eli argument where you are differentiating between regular season performance, QB ratings, TD/INT ratios...
This reply is easily my favorite yet... your rebuttal to being accused of only looking at the playoffs.... was to refer to the playoffs. lol
The regular season, which you gave so much weight to when debating Ben v Eli... suddenly... evaporates. Again, you've been called out for using selective criteria, and your response was to again use selective criteria.Once again, incorrect as usual. I look at the fact that since Brady and his team were caught CHEATING, that the same player who was being considered the best QB in playoff history, all of the sudden looks pretty ordinary in the playoffs.
You can't ignore Brady's entire regular season career if you want to be taken seriously. It's also ridiculous that you see no value in his 2 trips to the super bowl, in which he was on the verge of winning if not for defensive collapses... oh wait, defensive collapses late in the 4th quarter are a Big Ben excuse only....You can't ignore Brady's performances in the playoffs pre and post Spygate if you want to be taken seriously.
Not to mention, that during those 2 trips to the super bow... he hardly looked ordinary. But i guess, unless you are Ben, you are expected to be amazing in every post season... a criteria, that no one would live up to in today's NFL.
3 of Ben's last 4 post seasons ended with Passer Ratings in the 70s.. with 7 TDs... and 10 turnovers... I guess his one super bowl win erases everything else. But not for Peyton it doesnt.
If your criteria is to only view post season, then I suggest you revisit your Ben v Eli argument
Who has a Better post season passer rating:
Eli 89.3
Ben 83.7
Who has a better Post season TD/INT Ratio:
Eli 17 : 8
Ben 20 : 17
Sorry.
And a vastly superior football IQ and a more accurate armThe ONLY thing Peyton has over Ben was a dome and a 6 year head start to his regular season stat pile.
Days since it was noted that Crash is afraid to post a QB ranking of his own : 5
Last edited by NeilPatrickBanana; 02-12-2013 at 06:09 PM.
His playoff performances disagree with you.And a vastly superior football IQ and a more accurate arm
Only a Manning apologist gets happy when he feasts on regular season doormats.
But in the post season? Not so much.
Don't feel too bad though, that's been Peyton's calling card since college.
Post Season Passer Rating :
Peyton 88.4
Ben 83.7
you keep losing... it's getting funnier
Please. Took Peyton, the alleged most talented QB ever SIX YEARS to win a playoff game.
Not even Kordell Stewart took that long.
Wake me up when Peyton has a post season as good as 2005 Ben. Hell 2008 Ben too.
Overrated dome throwing stat whore.
BFD.
Who has a Better post season passer rating:
Eli 89.3
Ben 83.7
Who has a better Post season TD/INT Ratio:
Eli 17 : 8
Ben 20 : 17
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