I'd love to have a conversation about how to rank QBs. Maybe if we could come up with an agreed upon method that included both the subjective analysis of talent, along with the objective recognition of production (stats) and accolades (rings, wins, awards) and took into account career (veterans) and potential (young stars).... maybe we could have an honest discussion? We could have a rating system for each category, and an agreed upong weight for those categories?
I'll start a separate thread, and everyone can come there and flame me with there conspiracy theories about my "trolling" and my dual personality as the face of all the trolls (not true, but doesn't bother me).
This will be a thread for discussing QBs, not simply bashing Ben or any other QB.
this was what someone posted on draftcountdown, i like it...i think its a failry accurate representation
35% 2012 performance
15% Career performance to date
10% Projected career performance (trajectory/upside)
8% Raw arm talent (5% accuracy/touch, 3% pure arm strength)
8% Decision-making/ability to read and manipulate coverages
8% Team success
8% Intangibles/leadership qualities/making those around him better
3% Mobility within the pocket/scrambling ability
3% Clutch history
2% Ability as a runner
2% Durability (I assume every player is healthy for this list)
*When you add everything up together the question that this list answers is this: Which QB would you rather have right now, today, to play one game, assuming full health and ideal circumstances in terms of offense and supporting cast for that player. How much time to prepare, what exactly the made up opponent would be, and if the question is changed to 'for one full season' should not affect the ranking.
1) Aaron Rodgers
2) Peyton Manning
3) Tom Brady
4) Drew Brees
5) Ben Roethlisberger
6) Eli Manning
7) Joe Flacco
8) Matt Ryan
9) Andrew Luck
10) Colin Kaepernick
11) Robert Griffin III
12) Cam Newton
13) Russell Wilson
14) Matthew Stafford
15) Philip Rivers
16) Jay Cutler
17) Tony Romo
18) Matt Schaub
19) Sam Bradford
20) Andy Dalton
21) Josh Freeman
22) Carson Palmer
23) Ryan Tannehill
24) Ryan Fitzpatrick
25) Michael Vick
26) Alex Smith
27) Brandon Weeden
28) Kevin Kolb
28) Christian Ponder
29) Mark Sanchez
30) Matt Flynn
31) Matt Moore
32) Jake Locker
33) Chad Henne
34) Ryan Mallett
35) Nick Foles
36) Blaine Gabbert
37) Jamarcus Russell
38) Tim Tebow
Not a bad list K... Think Brady and Manning would be flip-flopped, but overall a solid snap shot.
I'd take Wilson over Newton because Wilson is much more heady then Newton. And mature.
The Steeler way...is the only way.
I just posted a separate thread with my own perspective, hoping that the board would participate in deciding our own methodology so we could all use that system to do our own rankings and argue/debate under the same guidelines.
I'm assuming that it was a joke to include Russel, just to put him ahead of tbow.... lol that's funny
I also think that list would be very similar to mine... where you have the "super bowl" guys... the next generation, the guys who never got it done, and the less successful vets. those 4 groups in general usually make up the top 20.
Last edited by NeilPatrickBanana; 02-07-2013 at 11:12 AM.
I AGREE WITH THE TOP TEN EXCEPT TAKE CAM AND COLIN OUT...
Put in Luck and Wilson...Thats how it will play out next year
I still think brees and manning should be higher...but one thing you did get right is that ben is not a top 10 qb anymore...about time somebody realizes it...but i'm guessing you're not a Steeler fan because they're all in denial
becasue he won 2 superbowls!!
NOT ! He owns the worst qb rating for a qb in a superbowl ever!!!!
meanwhile flacco has the best playoffs since that other JOE
GO PACK GO!
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