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    Quote Originally Posted by coldrolled View Post
    Holding calls and Pass Interference can change games quickly... 5 striped guys could change the game anytime they want.. you could call holding on every play.
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    Well, let's use your scenario to illustrate the examples used above by NYCSteelerfan.

    He uses the Steeler playoff victory against the Colts in 2005 and the Giants game after Sandy.

    First, the Steelers won both games. Talk about pi$$ poor examples.

    Second, why didn't the refs just call holding on more calls to guarantee the win? As you said, you can call holding on every play and justify it. Why didn't they?

    And again, this thread is about fixing a season. Let's say you have one crew "manipulating" games. Under whose direction? What good would it do unless other crews, players, and NFL officials were in on achieving a seasonal outcome? Crews do not stick with single teams, so how could just a single crew manipulate results for or against a team? The answer is they cannot. It would take virtually the entire officiating cadre to pull that off and escort the Ravens into the Super Bowl.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TarlsQtr View Post
    Well, let's use your scenario to illustrate the examples used above by NYCSteelerfan.

    He uses the Steeler playoff victory against the Colts in 2005 and the Giants game after Sandy.

    First, the Steelers won both games. Talk about pi$$ poor examples.

    Second, why didn't the refs just call holding on more calls to guarantee the win? As you said, you can call holding on every play and justify it. Why didn't they?

    And again, this thread is about fixing a season. Let's say you have one crew "manipulating" games. Under whose direction? What good would it do unless other crews, players, and NFL officials were in on achieving a seasonal outcome? Crews do not stick with single teams, so how could just a single crew manipulate results for or against a team? The answer is they cannot. It would take virtually the entire officiating cadre to pull that off and escort the Ravens into the Super Bowl.
    It is a crazy topic... in the SB with the Cards. I think it was hartwig rolling on his back and got a holding call for a safety on the one play. the announcers were a bit confused too. but 9 points later the game was closer.

    who knows. the refs just suck... plus they have way to much to look for.

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    And anyone who sees Goodell hiding behind every call against the Steelers is a nutjob.
    Ever call? No.

    The fact that he has a known friendship with Ray Lewis? Certainly explains a lot in regards to the Steelers and Ravens.

    You can't possibly think it was mere coincidence, that Ben's BS suspension was 4 games, and that the 4th game was Baltimore at Pittsburgh where Ben was 6-1 against them at that time.

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    No Football is not fixed. Teams with heart and determination go to the SB. Our team is staying home thanks to Tomlin
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    Quote Originally Posted by coldrolled View Post
    who knows. the refs just suck... plus they have way to much to look for.
    That is a comment I can agree with 100 percent.

    As far as I am concerned, the entire brouhaha over the replacement refs was a farce. They sucked, but did not suck any worse than then regulars. Their calls were just under twice the scrutiny from ESPN and the media because they were not the "real" refs. (And also because ESPN and the media will always side with a union.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash View Post
    Ever call? No.

    The fact that he has a known friendship with Ray Lewis? Certainly explains a lot in regards to the Steelers and Ravens.
    Really? Then why have the Steelers won two SBs (and been to 3) under Goodell? The Ravens have been to zero until this year even after playing the Steelers in the playoffs multiple times and the Steelers winning.

    There is absolutely no evidence that they have beaten the Steelers the last couple of years for any other reason than they played better football.

    You can't possibly think it was mere coincidence, that Ben's BS suspension was 4 games, and that the 4th game was Baltimore at Pittsburgh where Ben was 6-1 against them at that time.
    Considering that many in the football world were predicting 6-8 game suspension for Ben, why not?

    Goodell did us a favor. If it was just a slap on the hand, Ben probably would still be a douche instead of turning himself around and becoming a human being (or at least smart enough to pretend to be one).

    And if it is fixed, then wouldn't it make you pretty stupid to waste your time watching Goodell's version of WWF wrestling?
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    Football games, like NBA, MLB and NHL games are MANIPULATED. There has been numerous cases in professional sports history. It really doesn't matter if the the Steelers ended up winning the game against the Colts in the playoffs in 2005. That doesn't change the fact that there was indeed a manipulation of the game in order to give the Colts a chance to win when they were clearly being blown out. The Polamalu interception would've been the end of the game for the Colts. Instead, they scored and would've won had it not been for a shoestring tackle by Roethlisberger. And the game would've at least gone into overtime had Vanderjagt not missed a game-tying 46 yard field goal.

    Anyone who thinks that the ref in that game who went under the hood (because replay did exist at that time) actually MISTAKENLY believed that Polamalu never had possession of that football, rather than having intercepted it, running and fumbling, is an absolute fool.

    It also doesn't matter if the Steelers beat the Giants after Hurricane Sandy. The refs clearly made call after call in order to keep the Giants in the game. Any objective fan could clearly see it. I had friends who are Giants fans laughing about the Roethlisberger fumble.

    Also, go tell Raider fans that the ref made a "mistake" when he made up a rule on the spot in order to save Brady from a fumble, which ended up costing the Raiders the win.

    You're simply arguing semantics if you want to quibble over whether "fixing" games is the same as "manipulating" games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCsteelersfan View Post
    Football games, like NBA, MLB and NHL games are MANIPULATED. There has been numerous cases in professional sports history. It really doesn't matter if the the Steelers ended up winning the game against the Colts in the playoffs in 2005. That doesn't change the fact that there was indeed a manipulation of the game in order to give the Colts a chance to win when they were clearly being blown out. The Polamalu interception would've been the end of the game for the Colts. Instead, they scored and would've won had it not been for a shoestring tackle by Roethlisberger. And the game would've at least gone into overtime had Vanderjagt not missed a game-tying 46 yard field goal.
    Again, this would be something that the entire NFL officiating crew (not to mention people in the NFL offices) would have to be in on. It is virtually impossible to keep such a secret from getting out. All it would take is one pi$$ed off former referee/employee to blow it up sky high.

    Anyone who thinks that the ref in that game who went under the hood (because replay did exist at that time) actually MISTAKENLY believed that Polamalu never had possession of that football, rather than having intercepted it, running and fumbling, is an absolute fool.
    All I know is that I have only heard diehard Steeler fans make the claim that the refs were throwing the game to/manipulating the game. (Funny how the same people never cry "manipulation" when the Steelers get the benefit of poor calls). There was also no huge outcry after the Colts game, other than from Steeler fans.

    It also doesn't matter if the Steelers beat the Giants after Hurricane Sandy. The refs clearly made call after call in order to keep the Giants in the game. Any objective fan could clearly see it. I had friends who are Giants fans laughing about the Roethlisberger fumble.
    And how many neutral observers have made your "clear" observation?

    Also, go tell Raider fans that the ref made a "mistake" when he made up a rule on the spot in order to save Brady from a fumble, which ended up costing the Raiders the win.
    Again, poor calls are different than purposely putting your thumb on the scale.

    You're simply arguing semantics if you want to quibble over whether "fixing" games is the same as "manipulating" games.
    Perhaps you should look up the definition of "semantics" because you obviously do not know what it means. Ensuring the result of a game, "fixing" (the OP even went to the point of implying that the Denver DB allowed the late TD against Baltimore), is different than steering a game in a certain direction, "manipulating."

    And frankly, there is very little evidence of even that. Referees are human. I DO believe that they get caught up in the excitement of a game and subconsciously make incorrect calls. That said, to imply that they do it consciously and collaboratively (which would have to come with the NFL's blessing) is unsupported. Furthermore, if you think otherwise, then you have to ask yourself why you invest Sunday afternoons every fall to watching highly paid roller derby queens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LatrobePA View Post
    That is far different than collaboratively making in game calls to manipulate the outcome of a game.

    Does the NFL inconsistently make disciplinary decisions? Yep. Do they do it based on who you are? Sure.

    However, that is far different than instructing officials to steer games in certain directions. One is the NFL protecting its image. The other calls the integrity of the entire league into question and again raises the question of why you even watch.
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