That confirms it - Superbowl 47 will be between the 49ers and the *sigh* Ravens

[NeilPatrickBanana]

Really when hasn't the Steelers been a contender besides this year?........2009 Ben was damn good and it wasn't all his fault for defensive collapses during the 2009 season........2010 the Steelers reached the Super Bowl......2011 was still a play-off year......If you think I'm making excuses for Ben during 2009 then go ahead but its a fact that defense and special team collapses killed that team during that season........So really the only two years the Steelers were not contenders during Ben's career was 2006 and 2012..........Ben coming back from his motorcycle accident and then his appendix in 2006 really set him back....Didn't help that Cowher was basically a lame duck coach that year.....

2012 Ben sucked at the end and really the entire team sucked.......

so... lets look a those 4 years :
2009 miss playoffs
2010 lose super bowl
2011 1 and done
2012 miss playoffs

Flacco
2009 1 playoff win
2010 1 playoff win
2011 1 playoff win, lose AFC Championship game
2012 * lose super bowl

So even if Flacco loses the super bowl... he's been more successful than Ben over the last 4 years... so... who is elite right now, since you weight post season performance so much.

[Crash]

your hyperbole only serves to enforce the belief that you are a moron

Tom Brady's last four AFC title games.

94 for 157 for 1000 yards 4 TD 8 Int 65.8 rating.

Elite my ***. If he gets into the HOF his bust should be a video camera.

[Black@Gold Forever32]

so... lets look a those 4 years :
2009 miss playoffs
2010 lose super bowl
2011 1 and done
2012 miss playoffs

Flacco
2009 1 playoff win
2010 1 playoff win
2011 1 playoff win, lose AFC Championship game
2012 * lose super bowl

So even if Flacco loses the super bowl... he's been more successful than Ben over the last 4 years... so... who is elite right now, since you weight post season performance so much.

I was responding to what you said about Tom Brady.....lol since you want to talk about Flacco....Flacco is still missing the most important part of post-season success.......

[NeilPatrickBanana]

Tom Brady's last four AFC title games.

94 for 157 for 1000 yards 4 TD 8 Int 65.8 rating.

Elite my ***. If he gets into the HOF his bust should be a video camera.

wait, aren't you supposed to make an excuse for the QBs play... maybe something about the # of points the defense gave up in the 4th quarter? or the playcalling? I mean, making excuses for QB play is what you do... right? Otherwise you'd look at the last 4 "season on the line" games Ben has played... and notice:


2012 Cinci - 14-28 1TD 2INT 7.1QBR 58.6 Rating
2011 Denv - 22-40 1TD 1INT 47.8QBR 75.9 Rating
2010 Super - 25-40 2TD 2INT 33.3QBR 77.4 Rating
2010 AFCC - 10-19 OTD 2INT 68.6QBR 35.5 Rating

total : 71-127 4TD 7INT 61.8

[steelchamp204]

Does anyone think Ben will win another superbowl? I really dont think he does. Since I think he only really has 4 -5 years left in the tank. With him being more injury prone and the team seeming to have no consistancy, I dont even think he/team makes it to another superbowl.

[Black@Gold Forever32]

Does anyone think Ben will win another superbowl? I really dont think he does. Since I think he only really has 4 -5 years left in the tank. With him being more injury prone and the team seeming to have no consistancy, I dont even think he/team makes it to another superbowl.

Depends on many things....How the Steelers do in upcoming drafts and Ben staying healthy......I wouldn't write Ben off yet....

[NeilPatrickBanana]

I was responding to what you said about Tom Brady.....lol since you want to talk about Flacco....Flacco is still missing the most important part of post-season success.......

Id rather talk about ability. I feel that the weighting of what wins matter, and what wins don't just serves to distract.

Flacco has a big arm, and has demonstrated growth in his throwing repertoire. He's never going to be mobile, and in today's NFL that will always be a hinderance. But for the type of QB that he is (a true pocket passer), his skill set has evolved to "elite" status IMO. And his performance in the playoffs the last 2 years solidifies that.

I dont think he'll win the super bowl, i think san fran will win... and that won't keep me from mentioning him in the conversation of the best QBs in the game right now (it's a big list, and we can argue about who is better than who, but Flacco is now in the conversation... simple as that)

[NeilPatrickBanana]

Depends on many things....How the Steelers do in upcoming drafts and Ben staying healthy......I wouldn't write Ben off yet....

agreed. there is no reason to write Ben off... he's got a young, talented offensive line that should improve his game. He needs weapons though, and he needs to improve his game in the red zone.

Ben has the talent to get himself right back in the conversation... and make the steelers contenders again...

[Crash]

Does anyone think Ben will win another superbowl? I really dont think he does. Since I think he only really has 4 -5 years left in the tank. With him being more injury prone and the team seeming to have no consistancy, I dont even think he/team makes it to another superbowl.

All depends.

Do we want to win?

Or do we want to try and recreate the past at the expense of our talent?

We're not that far off. But we have to realize who we are, and how the NFL currently is.

If we don't? This will continue.

[Black@Gold Forever32]

Id rather talk about ability. I feel that the weighting of what wins matter, and what wins don't just serves to distract.

Flacco has a big arm, and has demonstrated growth in his throwing repertoire. He's never going to be mobile, and in today's NFL that will always be a hinderance. But for the type of QB that he is (a true pocket passer), his skill set has evolved to "elite" status IMO. And his performance in the playoffs the last 2 years solidifies that.

I dont think he'll win the super bowl, i think san fran will win... and that won't keep me from mentioning him in the conversation of the best QBs in the game right now (it's a big list, and we can argue about who is better than who, but Flacco is now in the conversation... simple as that)

All I was saying you said what separates Brady from Ben is the Pats being a contender every season but really the Steelers have been a contender every year besides 2006 and 2012....Yea 2009 they missed the play-offs but Ben had one of his best years and it was ruined by a defense that couldn't close games and a special teams that many break downs all season.....