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    Quote Originally Posted by NeilPatrickBanana View Post
    Smith had 13 TDs in 217 attempts (0.059 per) before injury this year, and 17 in 273/0.062 last year ... but he sucks. While you praise Ben (17 in 295/0.057 per)

    Are you going to play the rookie card now?

    The truth is, that the lack of an advanced metric measuring QBs for so long has left people kind of dumb to understanding QB talent
    Smith was horrible is first few years and all of sudden he finally showed something as a QB the past few years...........The fact remains Ben wasn't given a chance like some of these other rookie QBs and handcuffed by Cowher but still played well his first couple seasons....Then from there Ben elevated his game and improved as an overall QB.........
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    QBR is not a "stat" something cant be called a stat if it is partially based on opinion... oh yeah a throw away there seemed like a good idea.... higher grade! It is actually a complete joke, QBR is something that is based on guys in the basement of ESPN deciding how a QB preforms in "situational football" to form a grade. To call that grade a stat is laughable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black@Gold Forever32 View Post
    I agree with you about Luck being more talented.....Andrew Luck has everything you want in a QB prospect....I watched Luck play while he was at Stanford and I agree the sky is the limit for Luck.....But Luck's NFL career is still in the early stages that we all really don't know how good or great Luck will be......So I look at Luck at having the potential to be one of the best.....

    But ESPN's QBR rating is as big of joke as the NFL QB rating........Luck has 18 INT's this year and Ben only has 5 so I have major problems with them being so close in QBR...I understand there is more than just INT's when factoring in QBR......But I think its a flaw stat as much as the NFL's QR rating......

    Looking at their rookie years its hard to compare since you're right Luck is asked to thrown a lot more then Ben.........But that was Cowher ball....Build a lead and then just run the football to kill the clock......But you mentioned Luck taking over a team that just won 2 games the year before and you're right.....But Ben also came in the 2nd game of the 04 season to replace an injured Maddox and the Steelers only won 6 games in 2003.........Of course the 2004 Steelers were a much better team then 2012 Colts but I doubt the 2004 Steelers make the play-offs with Maddox.......So Ben was also a key player in that team reaching the AFC title game that season and only losing 1 game in the regular season......

    But back to the stats......Ben still threw 17 TD's in just 295 pass attempts so his TD percentage was 5.8 his rookie year.....Luck has thrown 18 TD's while having 537 pass attempts so far...Luck's TD percentage; is 3.4..........So if Ben did throw the ball as much as Luck his rookie Ben might have thrown 30 TD's.......Ben and Luck's INT percentage; were close in their rookie years....Ben's was 3.7 and Luck's 3.4........Luck does also have 5 rushing TD's and Ben did only have 1 his rookie year.....

    Sorry for the rambling but I do think people forget how good Ben was his rookie year and how much of a factor he was on the 2004 and 2005 Steelers.......They knock Ben for not having the pass attempts but I think that is stupid....It proved to be a winning formula those seasons but at the sametime if Ben had the chance to throw more he would have had the stats like most of these rookie QB's are putting up lately.......Ben also led a team to the Super Bowl and won his 2nd year......His play in three play-off games were huge in the Steelers reaching Super Bowl XL......Will be interesting to see if Luck can match that....He has the talent.....But will he?
    And to think Ben hasn't had much of an offensive line since his rookie season. Imagine his stats today if he had played behind an oline like Brady and Peyton has had in their careers.

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    Luck is ok,we'll see how he fairs out next year when everyone has tape on him. Wasn't Cam Newton going to be the next great QB?
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    Quote Originally Posted by $teelersRule View Post
    QBR is not a "stat" something cant be called a stat if it is partially based on opinion... oh yeah a throw away there seemed like a good idea.... higher grade! It is actually a complete joke, QBR is something that is based on guys in the basement of ESPN deciding how a QB preforms in "situational football" to form a grade. To call that grade a stat is laughable.
    no, QBR was developed by a statistician with a PhD. but you're probably way smarter than that guy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black@Gold Forever32 View Post
    Yea I don't watch other teams games...I only have had the Sunday tix since 2000 so I watch plenty of other teams games....lol Ok nice try.............Alex Smith has a nice QBR he is all of sudden a good NFL QB.....lol By the way I watched Smith play in college and it was evident he was a product of Urban Meyer's system at Utah........Smith was a bust who finally had a few decent seasons......Ben was a very good QB in his first couple years and elevated his game as an overall QB...........Yea so Alex Smith compares....lol The fact you would even try to compare any part of Smith's career to Ben's career is beyond laughable.....

    Great an advanced stat developed by a PhD has Smith ranked higher then Ben....So it must be perfect right?....Like I said all stats are flawed in one way or another.......
    you see advanced stats as flawed because they don't conform to your beliefs

    i see advanced stats as performance facts

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    I wonder what Dan Marino's QBR was? I know the number of his Super Bowl rings = 0. Great stats are one thing but performing well in the big games is another. Time will tell if Luck comes thru.

    His estimated QBR in 1984 (super bowl appearance year) was 95.8. Sometimes the car's shiny but it doesn't take you anywhere... just sayin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeilPatrickBanana View Post
    no, QBR was developed by a statistician with a PhD. but you're probably way smarter than that guy
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    Re: Apparently Andrew Luck is already better than Ben Roethlisberger

    Stats are for losers. Take Peyton Manning his QBR it makes no mention that he had one of the best pass blocking lines protecting him, what would his rating be had he played behind the Steelers line from the past few years?

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