He's more talented.Originally Posted by Big T
(which is what i said in response to the "i don't understand why the Colts are so successful with Arians, when the Steelers weren't- even though I admit I have not watched Luck play this year... that can't be the reason" thread)
I'm not even sure he's more talented than Ben. I will say though that he's smarter and extremely meticulous, just like the guy he replaced. And he's definitely got a better wok ethic than Ben had at the same point in his career.
I'm sure... from a talent observation (collection of skills, nature of those skills).... it's not even close. From my perspective, and this was before the draft, there wasn't a single QB skill that Andrew Luck didn't have in his arsenal and possess an elite foundation in. After nearly a full season... I have no doubt that he will be the elite franchise QB of his generation.
Its no different then knowing from day 1 that Peyton was more talented than Favre, and it was only a matter of a few years before it would be obvious to everyone.
A lot of teams win and lose with their best players. People blame coaches way too much for losses, including Tomlin. He drives me nuts at times like everyone else but he is a decent coach and better than any other options I can think of.
It's funny how people blame Tomlin for losses that were caused by piss poor play but don't give Tomlin credit for wins.
Comparing teams of the past to teams of the present and trying to predict what coaches or players would do then compared to now is just ridiculous. There is absolutely no way to predict it.
As for the Rooney rule, there is a chance Tomlin was hired because he is black, but nobody knows that for sure. All we know is that he was interviewed because he is black. It's certainly more than possible that he was hired because he was considered the best candidate.
Trust me. I feel the same way. Luck will be an Elite QB. I'm just not ready to put him in that category yet.
He was #1 against the run because everyone was passing all over his ass. Why run when I can kill you threw the air? I hope the Rooney's were smart enough to see through that phony stat. He was something like 31st against the pass and #1 run. That's the whole story right there nothing to do with coaching. As for this Dungy tree who is plucking from it. What the **** has anyone done with Dungy. You mean that same guy that had Manning for all those years plus couldn't take Tampa to the dance which Grudin did the very next year?
funny... since in the Tomlin/Cowher scenario, you would say Gruden won with the team Dungy built.
no consistency... well aside from the consistent, "if you're black... your successes belong to the white guy" lol
I don't think anyone will argue that Gruden won with Dungy's team. See the difference is Dungy couldn't win with his own team that is why he was let go and Gruden brought in. Then he inherited Manning and should have won countless Super Bowls instead he only won one. So Dungy is not this great freaking coach you make him out to be.
In Chuckies defense he did build up the Raiders who he faced as coach of the Bucs the next year.
Last edited by LASVEGASGUY; 12-10-2012 at 10:28 PM.
One of Al davis's senile moves was getting rid of gruden.
Cleveland Browns suck!
WTF happened to this thread?....When I left for work it was at 6 pages and now its 16.....lol
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