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    AB is Very fast he has that second gear. Remember the kickoff return against the titans. Sanders is very fast..we need Wallace back..Sanders and AB have great hands..if Wallace gets back in soon this is probably one of the fastest teams we have ever had in recent history..zoom zoom..btw Loved wards love of the game..I want it all..lol

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    This whole Wallace thing reminds me so much of the Mendenhall vs Redman debate. Who's better? Mendenhall is still the more accomplished receiver but to date the more consistent ground game comes from Redman because of the poor OL.


    If Mendy gets back to form and is able to play behind a good group then that's a different story.


    Same with Wallace, all the potential in the world but it's an all or nothing deal with him. He's still a one trick pony like Tomlin said going into 2011. Right now AB is going to get you more of those short to intermediate routes consistently than Wallace will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlitzburghRockCity View Post
    I'll try this one on. The easiest thing to say is that I want a receiver that can do all of that but honestly there really isn't one in the NFL except for maybe Fitzgerald but he doesn't have Wallace's speed although most everything else he's got and then some.

    I want Wallace back as much as anyone simply because the team spent 3 years developing him and now they could decide to trade him after all this mess. All 3 players had things to like about them.

    If I had to pick between the 3 though, I don't just want Wallace because he's fast. Track stars a dime a dozen and until Mikey proves he can catch the ball in traffic consistently and be able to adjust consistently then I'd rather have Brown.
    calvin johnson does it all, and has the speed to go with it.

    also, to say a guy like wallace falls into the dime a dozen category holds zero truth. we dont just see WRs like him popping up every year, even nate washington wasnt a dime a dozen with his speed and hes not half as good as wallace
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    For the complete body of work (and an intangible you don't mention) "heart", I will select Hines.

    Call me old school, but Hines narrowly sqeaks out ahead of Antonio Brown. Ask me in a few years it may be different.

    Who was the other player you mentioned?

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    "heart" lol, why because he smiles all the time? give me a break. You cant just say ward has more heart than any of the current WRs just because he did what he was good at (blocking, 3rd down, possession WR). All players should specialize in what they are good at, wards was underneath stuff, safety valve, run blocking. Brown is best at improvising, returning, open field running, and fearlessness over the middle, which is what he does most for us. wallace is best at going deep and adjusting to the ball over his shoulder, which is what he does for us, sanders is best at running the route tree (which btw ward was never that good at, he was more good at finding soft spots in zone coverage)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlitzburghRockCity View Post
    The easiest thing to say is that I want a receiver that can do all of that but honestly there really isn't one in the NFL except for maybe Fitzgerald
    Calvin Johnson

    I'd go with Ward but the 2 young bucks certainly have the potential to change my reply.
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    Wallace has a great ability to adjust to a deep ball in flight. That is not a one trick pony. He takes the secondary deep and also makes them account for the deep ball every play. This opens up the field not only for other receivers, but for himself as well.

    If that's a one trick pony, I'll take it every time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tburg68 View Post
    Wallace has a great ability to adjust to a deep ball in flight. That is not a one trick pony. He takes the secondary deep and also makes them account for the deep ball every play. This opens up the field not only for other receivers, but for himself as well.

    If that's a one trick pony, I'll take it every time.
    Nobody is saying it's a bad trick or that being a one trick pony is bad. Actually, it's a good trick.

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    Here is what Evan Silva of Rotoworld had to say about Brown vs. Wallace:



    Mike Wallace vs. Antonio Brown

    For the first time ever, the NFL has made All-22 Coaches Tape available to the public, as part of its Game Rewind package. The Coaches Tape is called "All 22" because it allows us to see all 22 offensive and defensive players in one picture. NFL.com's package provides two shots of each snap, the first from a higher sideline angle and the second from the end zone. We can actually see the safeties, and receivers' full routes. You can't see those things watching the games on T.V.

    I took my first crack at the All-22 Tape last night, watching three Steelers games: Week 8 versus New England, Week 15 at San Francisco, and Pittsburgh's Wild Card round loss to the Broncos. I wanted to learn more about Mike Wallace and Antonio Brown. Wallace wanted big money this offseason. Brown got it, and the Steelers are letting unsigned holdout Wallace twist in the wind.

    I wound up viewing about 225 snaps and 30 targets of Wallace, and 180 snaps and 30-something targets of Brown. (Brown wasn't quite an every-down player, even during his hot stretch run.) And I think the Steelers are going to sorely miss their best offensive weapon, if they continue to play hardball with him.

    Though sometimes billed as a one-trick pony deep threat, Wallace beat the defense in the three games on a variety of patterns. He ran comebacks, drags, and screens in addition to fly routes, and regularly looked like the best player on the field. Wallace is a skinny receiver, but he runs well after the catch, and that was particularly evident in the 49ers game. The Broncos primarily used top cornerback Champ Bailey in coverage of Wallace in the playoffs, while Brown squared off with Andre’ Goodman. Denver released Goodman this offseason. Against New England, the Pats consistently placed two to three defenders in Wallace's vicinity. Bill Belichick was worried about him.

    I can't speak responsibly to route running because I don't know the play calls and assignments, but Wallace did seem to round off his patterns and freelance on occasion. I think the bottom line is that Wallace got open downfield more than any other Steelers receiver. It's probably safe to say that's a good thing.

    Wallace is a dynamic player -- much more so than Brown. "60 Minutes" keeps the defense on its heels. Because Wallace so often requires two or even three defenders in his area, the field opens up for others. Brown is a good player, a really good receiver who plays at a crisp pace and has earned Ben Roethlisberger's trust. Brown has sure hands and is capable of highlight-reel catches.

    But Wallace is a great player. An every-snap difference maker. And here's guessing that's why the Steelers are refusing to trade him. The Pittsburgh offense won't be the same without him.
    The Steeler way...is the only way.

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    ive been saying that since, idk, 2010

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    Quote Originally Posted by K Train View Post
    ive been saying that since, idk, 2010
    Exactly! Maybe an outside perspective will help some people understand how valuable Mike really is. I'm not saying we'd tank without him. We are just MUCH better with him! I don't expect him to sign that tender until atleast TC is over and the team reports to South Side.

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    Pretty much what we've been saying all along lol.

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