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    Summary of NFL proposal...Players response to that proposal.

    1. We more than split the economic difference between us, increasing our proposed cap for 2011 significantly and accepting the Union’s proposed cap number for 2014 ($161 million per club).
    2. An entry level compensation system based on the Union’s “rookie cap” proposal, rather than the wage scale proposed by the clubs. Under the NFL proposal, players drafted in rounds 2-7 would be paid the same or more than they are paid today. Savings from the first round would be reallocated to veteran players and benefits.
    3. A guarantee of up to $1 million of a player’s salary for the contract year after his injury – the first time that the clubs have offered a standard multi-year injury guarantee.
    4. Immediate implementation of changes to promote player health and safety by:

    • Reducing the off-season program by five weeks, reducing OTAs from 14 to 10, and limiting on-field practice time and contact;
    • Limiting full-contact practices in the preseason and regular season; and
    • Increasing number of days off for players.

    5. Commit that any change to an 18-game season will be made only by agreement and that the 2011 and 2012 seasons will be played under the current 16-game format.6. Owner funding of $82 million in 2011-12 to support additional benefits to former players, which would increase retirement benefits for more than 2000 former players by nearly 60 percent.
    7. Offer current players the opportunity to remain in the player medical plan for life.
    8. Third party arbitration for appeals in the drug and steroid programs.
    9. Improvements in the Mackey plan, disability plan, and degree completion bonus program.
    10. A per-club cash minimum spend of 90 percent of the salary cap over three seasons.

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    From the NFLPA

    March 11th, 2011
    Issues which prevented a new NFL Collective Bargaining Agreement from being reached:

    • The NFL demanded a multi-billion dollar giveback and refused to provide any legitimate financial information to justify it.


    • The NFL’s offer on March 7 to give the NFLPA a single sheet of numbers was NOT financial disclosure. The players’ accountants and bankers advised that the “offered” information was meaningless: only two numbers for each year.


    • The NFL wanted to turn the clock back on player compensation by four years, moving them back to where they were in 2007.


    • The NFL offered no proposal at all for long-term share of revenues.


    • NFL demanded 100% of all revenues which went above unrealistically low projections for the first four years.


    • The NFL refused to meet the players on significant changes to in-season, off-season or pre-season health and safety rules.


    • The NFL kept on the table its hypocritical demand for an 18-game season, despite its public claims to be working toward improving the heath and safety of players.


    • The NFL wanted cutbacks in payer workers’ compensation benefits for injured players.


    • The NFL sought to limit rookie compensation long after they become veterans — into players’ fourth and fifth years


    • THE PLAYERS WANT TO KEEP PLAYING
      • The players offered repeatedly to continue working under the existing CBA, but were rejected by the NFL five times.
      • Despite publicly admitting no club was losing money, that TV ratings, sponsorship money, etc. were at an all time high, the NFL continued to insist on an 18-percent rollback in the players’ share of revenues and continue to deny the NFLPA’s request for justification.



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    The lawyers are the only winners here. Obviously, there is a lack of perspective by both parties, and as a consequence the game will officially begin to circle the drain. With decertification this season will become a mess, regardless of when it starts, if it starts. Fans will turn their backs on smaller market teams who are struggling. The players will lose a lot, for some perhaps as much as a quarter of their careers. I hope it was worth it to them. Bummer.

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    I won't back either side and certainly don't believe anything the NFL shows the public.

    One thing that does irritate me ,the owners crying about having to pay billions for stadiums. Silly me , I thought the tax payers were stuck with that bill.
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    after watching the vids from both the owners and the players the only thing i came away with is that the players want access to and an audit of all financial records for the last 10 years which, lets face it, is uprecedented. i mean, when youre at work you dont demand that your boss show you how much money he made from your labors before you agree to start working again. you either agree to your rate of pay or you dont and you find another job. combine that with the fact that the lowest paid player in the game, say, a 3rd string punter(lol) will make like 200k a year and you have what i refer to as anal fistedness. greedy bitches squabbling with greedy bitches about who is greedier.

    the 18 game thing imo was nothing but another bargaining chip.it just seems as though it was a kind of "phantom offer". they say they want 18 game seasons right before the CBA expires, knowing that the players would flip out about it and then when the time comes to start dealing they take it off the table and pretend like theyre making some kind of concession that can be pointed to like "just look at all the stuff we're willing to concede, we're being SO reasonable".

    honestly its a circle jerk of the highest order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deviouz1 View Post
    after watching the vids from both the owners and the players the only thing i came away with is that the players want access to and an audit of all financial records for the last 10 years which, lets face it, is uprecedented. i mean, when youre at work you dont demand that your boss show you how much money he made from your labors before you agree to start working again. you either agree to your rate of pay or you dont and you find another job. combine that with the fact that the lowest paid player in the game, say, a 3rd string punter(lol) will make like 200k a year and you have what i refer to as anal fistedness. greedy bitches squabbling with greedy bitches about who is greedier.

    the 18 game thing imo was nothing but another bargaining chip.it just seems as though it was a kind of "phantom offer". they say they want 18 game seasons right before the CBA expires, knowing that the players would flip out about it and then when the time comes to start dealing they take it off the table and pretend like theyre making some kind of concession that can be pointed to like "just look at all the stuff we're willing to concede, we're being SO reasonable".

    honestly its a circle jerk of the highest order.
    you at work are not a pratner with your boss, so you can't compare what you do to professional football players as you can get an equal or better job in your field players can't its this or another field that they haven't spent their whole lives training for. The players are held hostage if they are to play the game they love, and the players did not opt out of the last CBA the owners did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bensshoes View Post
    you at work are not a pratner with your boss, so you can't compare what you do to professional football players as you can get an equal or better job in your field players can't its this or another field that they haven't spent their whole lives training for. The players are held hostage if they are to play the game they love, and the players did not opt out of the last CBA the owners did.
    they are not partners with the owners... they are employees,they can get better jobs by signing with another team simple as that. They maybe committed to a team after they are drafted but after that first contract,they can go to any team they want,assuming said team will pay what they want.
    It is a job to them that they are lucky enough to be able to play. they work hard to get into the field and they must posses a skill set to qualify ,but it is a job that they are paid handsomely to perform.

    It is 2 greedy organizations fighting over billions of dollars.I just hope they don't kill their cash cow...




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    Quote Originally Posted by bensshoes View Post
    you at work are not a pratner with your boss, so you can't compare what you do to professional football players as you can get an equal or better job in your field players can't its this or another field that they haven't spent their whole lives training for. The players are held hostage if they are to play the game they love, and the players did not opt out of the last CBA the owners did.
    while someone else already covered this let me point out that the players dont agree to a commission. they agree to a contract for a set amount of $ per year with certain incentives and other AGREED UPON IN ADVANCE nuances depending on certain situations that effect the players salary which, in all cases are so overblown that its ridiculous. if they dont agree to the terms, they can, as has been pointed out previously, look to other teams for what they want.

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    The owners walked away from this deal saying they needed more.
    no, they didnt. the players walked if you want to get technical. as a matter of fact they had applied for decertification while the negotiations were still underway and were decertified by 4pm last friday hours before the the deadline. the owners didnt walk, the players walked.

    If the owners had a real argument, they would open all their books so the players could scrutinize them. This will never happen.
    no, youre right it wont. because its unreasonable to demand that as ive already posted lol. IMHO, of course. when you set your rate as a professional, you set it according to what your time and expertise are WORTH. not according to how much your employer, or prospective employer in this case, can afford. ive done work for multi millionaires and they get charged the same as the old fat guy in an apartment gets charged for the same work. to act in any other way is not only unethical, its also just plain shady.

    the thing about all of this is that the players have a choice, and a pretty damn good choice if you ask me considering the numbers that are being thrown around, they can either sign the contract for retarded amounts of money or NOT sign the contract. regardless of negotiations those are really the only two options in the end. when i do contract work, i either agree to the terms or i dont. it really is that simple. now if the owners were breaching a contract or something then i would back the players 100% but they arent.

    regardless, you seem to think that im on the owners side here. im SO not. the owners are, as i said, a bunch of greedy bitches. it just so happens that the players are greedy bitches too so i have absolutely no sympathy for either side and at this point i really couldnt care less if there is football this year or not. let the greedy bitches squabble for as long as they want. im not paying either organization a single penny for at LEAST 5 years either way and to be honest i hope the courts do something insane like cap salaries and ticket/merchandise/concessions to a ridiculously low price as a proverbial paddling for being egotistical twats.

    but thats just my opinion and i realize that will never happen. twould be cool as hell if it did though.

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    [QUOTE=Deviouz1;416361]while someone else already covered this let me point out that the players dont agree to a commission. they agree to a contract for a set amount of $ per year with certain incentives and other AGREED UPON IN ADVANCE nuances depending on certain situations that effect the players salary which, in all cases are so overblown that its ridiculous. if they dont agree to the terms, they can, as has been pointed out previously, look to other teams for what they want.



    no, they didnt. the players walked if you want to get technical. as a matter of fact they had applied for decertification while the negotiations were still underway and were decertified by 4pm last friday hours before the the deadline. the owners didnt walk, the players walked.

    What I was referring to happened previously. The owners opted out of the deal they previously bargained collectively.

    The current Collective Bargaining Agreement, initially negotiated in 1993, has been extended on several occasions, most recently in March 2006. The 2006 extension, which could have continued through the 2012 season, gave both the NFL and the NFLPA an option to shorten the deal by one or two years.

    Interestingly, the owners now begin every press conference with the mantra that whatever happens, the deal they strike with the payers will have to be the result of the collective bargaining process.


    This is at the heart of the issue. When your deal is based on a percentage of the pie, who determines what goes into the pie and what doesn't? Who defines what total revenue is when you don't trust the other side is giving you the right numbers to begin with? This lack of trust that the numbers warrant a different deal is at the heart of the matter for the players. For them, they want the teams to lift the kilt so they peek underneath. The owners want to keep much of that hidden and then just produce a number that says the total is x.

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    The Question

    Quote Originally Posted by bensshoes View Post
    you at work are not a pratner with your boss, so you can't compare what you do to professional football players...

    ... The players are held hostage if they are to play the game they love, and the players did not opt out of the last CBA the owners did.
    This statement of yours is right on.

    At the heart of this entire dispute is 9 billion dollars. Plus who knows how much more? All the other issues are ancillary.

    How to equitably distribute the revenues from the most profitable professional sport in U.S. history?
    This is the question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hit 'n run View Post
    This statement of yours is right on.

    At the heart of this entire dispute is 9 billion dollars. Plus who knows how much more? All the other issues are ancillary.

    How to equitably distribute the revenues from the most profitable professional sport in U.S. history?
    This is the question.
    right on and thank you!

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