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    Leavy talks about blown calls in SB XL... blah blah blah

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5444048

    not that i really give a ****. but it's interesting that leavy said he made mistakes in the fourth quarter. no mention of ben's td or the pass interference on jackson which were both legit

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    Wasn't that ref speaking to a bunch of people while in Seattle?

    Championship teams overcome adversity to win games, the Seahawks did not. Besides, other than the call on Hasselback on the interception return, those calls were pretty much legit. I think it's time for Seattle to move on...end of story.

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    They will never move on, they will feel like they should have won it till eternity! The fact is, we get nailed with bad calls every week, every time does. Hell there were tons of bad calls leading up to that super bowl that could have altered our chances of getting there so seriously, if you want to bitch about it still then don't get yourself in a position to lose the game due to refs in the first place. If they were so great then they should have won outright so whatever...get over it it was 4 years ago for God sakes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moondog View Post
    Wasn't that ref speaking to a bunch of people while in Seattle?

    Championship teams overcome adversity to win games, the Seahawks did not. Besides, other than the call on Hasselback on the interception return, those calls were pretty much legit. I think it's time for Seattle to move on...end of story.
    yes he was. but like i said. he was talking about 2 plays in the 4th quarter which were obviously the hold called on locklear and the "low block" called against hasselbeck which we can all agree was a bad call. the hold was iffy but did that make their center get blown up by hampton resulting in a sack? no. did that make the hawks run on 2nd and long? no. did that make hasselbeck throw that godawful pick? no

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    Here we go agin: Superbowl XL offical admits to blown calls

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner


    Shutdown Corner Sat Aug 07 07:50am PDT

    Super Bowl XL head official admits to blown calls
    By Doug Farrar


    There are those in Seattle, and around the country, who will go to their graves believing that the Pittsburgh Steelers' 21-10 victory over the Seattle Seahawks in Super Bowl XL had an odor to it from the start. From Ben Roethlisberger's(notes) one-yard rushing touchdown that was inconclusive even on review, to the phantom holding call that took a potential 98-yard touchdown drive away from Seattle, the calls made by the officiating crew in that February, 2006 game created a tapestry of suspicion that persists to this day. Some believe that the refs were told to call the game tight on the Seahawks and loose on the Steelers, a concept which exacerbated the mistakes Seattle made in the game.

    More than four years after the fact, another voice has been added to the choir calling that game a mess of bad decisions. Head official Bill Leavy, in Seattle to go through the annual rules changes production on behalf of the NFL, started his presentation by addressing what he called "the elephant in the living room."

    It was a tough thing for me. I kicked two calls in the fourth quarter and I impacted the game and as an official you never want to do that. It left me with a lot of sleepless nights and I think about it constantly. I'll go to my grave wishing that I'd been better. I know that I did my best at that time, but it wasn't good enough. When we make mistakes, you've got to step up and own them. It's something that all officials have to deal with, but unfortunately when you have to deal with it in the Super Bowl, it's difficult.

    The only problem with the idea of "stepping up and owning" the mistakes is that until Leavy's admission, the league had tacitly refused to do so. Then-VP of Officiating Mike Pereira went on the NFL Network's Total Access show two weeks after the game (as opposed to the usual one-week lag) and glossed over what was then a national outrage over the officiating in that game. Steelers fans aside, everyone wanted to know -- what the heck happened?

    Pereira explained one of the two calls Leavy was talking about -- the fourth-quarter holding call on right tackle Sean Locklear(notes) that pushed the ball from the Pittsburgh 1-yard line to the Pittsburgh 29 -- as follows:

    Looking at the position of [Locklear's] feet, and saying that you've got to keep hands inside the frame from this position, with the right end around the shoulder, pulling on the arm, and eventually the defender going down to a knee...you've got the ingredients of a hold there. That's an example of a type of play that you'll get from time to time. It's got the ingredients of a hold -- not the strongest, but in fact, it's got what it takes to be considered a hold. And Bill Leavy, from his position, got that look that you just saw.

    It's also important to note that the NFL refined the holding rules at the Owner's Meetings soon after. "One of the things we emphasized in there was seeing the entire foul," committee co-chair Rich McKay said. "If you do not see the entire foul, you cannot call holding. That's specifically applied when players go to the ground. Because what often happens is you see a player, a defensive player on the ground, the offensive player is on the ground and you see a flag, foul it. If you don't see the entire action, you cannot assume that it was holding that caused that player to go to the ground."

    The other call Leavy's talking about, a low block call on Seahawks quarterback Matt Hasselbeck(notes), is one that Pereira almost admitted to being wrong at the time.

    Of course, two things stand out about Leavy's admission -- first, why did it take so long for him to admit that his calls were wrong? The NFL drilled it into everyone's heads that all the "important" calls in that game were close, but correct. With so many of the main characters off to other things, what's the good in admitting it now? Replay technology hasn't changed; the league has the same angles on that game now that it did then. Seahawks head coach Mike Holmgren is now running the Cleveland Browns, and team president Tim Ruskell is now working for the Chicago Bears. Pereira has retired from his league position to become the media personification of officiating expertise for several media outlets. Leavy is still an official. Hasselbeck and Locklear are two of a handful of Seahawks players who are still with the team.

    Second, just because Leavy admitted to blowing two calls doesn't mean that those were the only errors in the game. Leavy wasn't the one who called the Roethlisberger touchdown; that was head linesman Mark Hittner. Nor was Leavy in charge of the first-quarter offensive pass interference call on Seahawks receiver Darrell Jackson(notes). Do the Seahawks have to wait another five years for the admissions on those calls?

    Put simply, the Seahawks didn't play well enough to win Super Bowl XL. They made several crucial mistakes, but it's also correct to say that the Steelers didn't play well enough to win. Officiated correctly, XL probably would have been an ugly war of attrition; a barely-remembered close game that could have gone either way. But because of the calls made, the league's subsequent denial that anything was wrong with those calls, and Leavy's admission of guilt so much later, this game will never go away.
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    When your a bunch of losers like the Seattle Seahawks and their fans are, all you can do is lament about "what if's". That's what losers focus in on all day and nite.

    Cardinals are sitting around talking about, " What if that Big Ben pass didn't get to Holmes in the corner of the end zone." Because that's what losers do.
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    I love it.

    You wanted an admission of guilt....where here you ****ing go....PROOF. I can't wait till the other officials nut up and stop trying to save their own asses and admit to some more ****ed up calls.

    The man even said he IMPACTED THE GAME IN THE CRITICAL CLOSING MOMENTS WITH HIS BLOWN CALLS......BLOWN CALLS. Some of yall have been ducking the truth....and now you get slapped in the mouth with it.

    Now you can go on and list other Seattle mistakes...but the fact of the matter is...something out of their hands effected the end result. Smile because there's no "do-overs" and the lucky breaks are yours to keep. I just love knowing that I've been right this whole ****ing time....and the man who blew the ****ing whistle disagrees with 99% of your bullshit retorts as well.

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    LOL....at getting help from the refs and still calling out the seahawks and their fans like the game wouldnt have been any different without the ****ed calls. Regardless of where he admitted to it...he ****ing admitted it...it's time you nut up like him and accept the facts.

    OVERCOME ADVERSITY? Don't classify getting dicked by the refs as overcoming adversity...you think you could win a close boxing match that your opponents family was judging? Get real. In professional sports you should never be put in a position like that...so you shouldn't have to worry about overcoming **** but your own mistakes...not everyone elses.
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    It is interesting that seemingly most every major victory we have had was due to a blown or controversial call...going all the way back to the immaculate reception...look at all those blown calls in the course of several seasons that got us 6 Lombardi's...of course there could not possibly be any other reason we have done so well. GIMME A BREAK! You don't hear us whining years after the fact when calls go wrong against us

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    Quote Originally Posted by RW318 View Post
    LOL....at getting help from the refs and still calling out the seahawks and their fans like the game wouldnt have been any different without the ****ed calls. Regardless of where he admitted to it...he ****ing admitted it...it's time you nut up like him and accept the facts.

    OVERCOME ADVERSITY? Don't classify getting dicked by the refs as overcoming adversity...you think you could win a close boxing match that your opponents family was judging? Get real. In professional sports you should never be put in a position like that...so you shouldn't have to worry about overcoming **** but your own mistakes...not everyone elses.
    You want to nut up ,here ya go
    "Looking at the position of [Locklear's] feet, and saying that you've got to keep hands inside the frame from this position, with the right end around the shoulder, pulling on the arm, and eventually the defender going down to a knee...you've got the ingredients of a hold there. That's an example of a type of play that you'll get from time to time. It's got the ingredients of a hold -- not the strongest, but in fact, it's got what it takes to be considered a hold. And Bill Leavy, from his position, got that look that you just saw....
    It's also important to note that the NFL refined the holding rules at the Owner's Meetings soon after. "One of the things we emphasized in there was seeing the entire foul," committee co-chair Rich McKay said. "If you do not see the entire foul, you cannot call holding.
    ...so he made the right call at the time

    I'll also accept the fact there were a ton of bad calls in the game,and we didn't play our best in that game,while I'm at it I will also nut up and take the trophy that goes with the game because we had more points then them and that is all that really matters.
    Now why don't you nut up and admit that it don't mean a dam thing ,it's called ancient history!!




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