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    Quote Originally Posted by Root4Stlrs View Post
    Really! I don't have any interest in ranting on ANY of the Cowboys' trips to the playoffs and could care less if they have been given any "special" consideration. These calls are, by their very nature, subjective and there is NO "capital T" truth of what happened. It's a logical fallacy to assume that something as multi-causal as the result of a football game is directly related to one, and only one, thing. Same as the "everybody" is upset about the outcome b/c the Steelers "cheated." Everybody thought the earth was flat but that didn't make it so.


    He's not going to understand a word of what you just said.

    You probably should have used a few more of these ****.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lloydfan4life View Post
    lol i agree but i refuse to let a fan of another team get the last word on here, especially a fan of a team i hate with a passion......

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    Quote Originally Posted by lloydfan4life View Post


    He's not going to understand a word of what you just said.

    You probably should have used a few more of these ****.
    I felt like I had to try. I've been reading this thread as long as everyone else. You're right about the *******. I should have inserted several of those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattyVfromCT View Post
    once again dancing around the issue. so you're saying that just because a referee is the one who enforces the rules he's always right? even if the rule book or the nfl, THE ONES WHO MAKE THE RULES say differently? ABSOLUTELY STUPID POINT ON YOUR PART.



    do you think maybe the fact that he was speaking IN THE SEATTLE AREA had something to do with it? hmmmmm. you know it's possible that some disgruntled seahawks fans could have been sending him death threats and he was trying to put an end to it. if he was speaking in pittsburgh do you think he would be saying the same thing?



    seeing as 49ers/cowboys from 94 was 11 years earlier than sb40 and din't involve either team from sb40 of course it has no relevance. but the indy game DOES because it was only weeks before and was an example of how bad the officiating was in general throughout the 2005 playoffs AND the officiating in that game was far worse. i was giving an example of where WE were screwed over time and time again by the officials in one game YET MANAGED TO MAN UP AND WIN THE GAME. it has relevance because it was in the same season and the same rules applied for both games. the rules were a lot different in 94. and the only reason i brought up sb 43 is because YOU challenged me to bring up a super bowl where officiating hurt us because the indy game "didnt count" to you just because it wasnt a super bowl, depite the officiating being 100 times worse than super bowl 40. so i produced it, you made excuses about santonio's td and lloyd bitchslapped your dumb ass with the evidence. another stupid point on your part.



    so now you're admitting that seattle did get away with several holds (which they did). funny how those aren't a big deal in your book, even though they affect field position, yet you're crying about leavy's hold call (WHICH IS CORRECT ACCORDING TO THE RULE BOOK, THE GOSPEL OF NFL PLAY) and bad "low block" call affecting field position. funny how it's only a big deal when it goes in our favor..... walter jones and company got away with their fair share so it balances out. as far as the "low block" seattle got away with several personal fouls which would have affected that field position you have such a hard on for. hines getting hit with a helmet to helmet after stepping out of bounds, von oelhoffen getting pushed from behind by seattle's center after the play was over, hines getting speared in the back after an incompletion, etc. hey let's not forget ben getting blocked in the back on herndon's interception return. ALL of which had no flag and quite frankly i don't care, i'm just proving a point. all of those would have impact on field position, funny how it's only a big deal when it befits the steelers......



    what does this have to do with anything? seriously. so the only opinions that count are from "national announcers"? this is by far the most idiotic thing you have posted on here. first off, not everyone is going to have the same opinion, IT'S OBVIOUS. but to say one guys opinion means more, because he's a national guy and the other isn't is incredibly DUMB. when you have the announcer FROM THE TEAM THAT IS BEING PENALIZED, AGREEING WITH THE CALL, THAT SAYS A LOT. if anybody is going to have a bias, one way or the other, it's going to be a team's broadcast crew, and the broadcaster from the team that was penalized, agreed with the call. so it's not as "awful" as a call that idiots like you seem to think it is. SMFH............



    funny because that sums up every single one of your asinine posts on this topic except not one sentence you posted has any redeeming value.............
    You're over here trying some lawyer bullshit disregarding the facts. Every NFL rule relies on the interpretation of the one enforcing it correct? Most of the refs chose not to call the petty bullshit on every single play. This one called it on a critical play and he even admitted to not having a clear view. He also admitted it was the wrong things to do. You literally have no point in arguing this FACT (nothing you bring up can change it...nothing)...yet you keep trying...while making a half ass attempt to belittle me.

    Yeah, lets go off what ifs. Should make the conversation a little more interesting. I truly doubt it because he knew it would go public...and literally...people across the world would hear and know of it. Did he leave Seattle and immediately retract his statement?

    You brought up ticky tack bullshit from another Superbowl....which I'm sure the Steelers got away with the same holding calls...like it should have been in the Superbowl in the debate. I asked for evidence and received it...move the **** on with those tears.

    I'm talking about two calls made that were blown...you really wanna go back and see how much shit the Steelers got away with as well? You're not proving any point because I'm sure the Steelers got away with the same amount of shit...it's just....nobody is talking about that.

    I'm not saying that...you gave me an opinion of some random ****ing hometown guy like it mattered. I gave you one from a national announcer....soooooo. Apparently you're a ****ing retard as well...put on your hat and join the club. Please shut the **** up with the name calling...you're not making yourself superior in any way. It's actually pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dean Denton View Post
    ESPN took a poll about a week after SB XL and almost 80% of the nation DID NOT think the calls cost the Seahawks the game or were even bad calls. (And no the votes did not come from Pittsburgh, they were takin off the grid for voting.) They were calls that you could or could not have called, but they went against Seattle. Look, its not like the made up rules on the field like they have done against the Raiders, Tuck rule and well....I wont bring up the other one..lol I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish here with this retarded Seahawk talk, but I can tell you everyone laughs at Seattle on this forum because, well shit, because its Seattle, and its fun to do. Like I said Seattle is a heartless franchise, and they were punished for it. Move that stadium off those Native burial grounds, or those fans and that team will continue to suffer. SB XL was just a sample of what the Football Gods are capable of. Seattle hasn't seen shit yet, but they will. Its coming, and its going to leave a naste mark.....Hey, If I were you I would be more worried about those Cowboys. That team is getting ready to suck a big Dic$ this year, and I'm guessing thats going to leave a foul taste in your mouth. Well, I would think its foul, you might not.....
    See, minus the last part which seems like a shot at the team...until I guess the other prick corrupted you into talking shit about the poster...this type of response would have made the thread run smooth.

    Anyways, it was in the rule book even though it was a horrible time to finally enforce it...which almost everyone could agree with in saying the Raiders got screwed. How would you finally enforce some dusty rule in the most critical moment of the game? 99% of football fans never even heard of it. Wrong call to make.

    I'm just happy my rapis....I mean QB (thought I was a Steelers fan for a second) is at least playing the first 5 games. I'm pretty sure saying I suck **** is allowed but calling a molester..a molester isnt. Interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Root4Stlrs View Post
    Really! I don't have any interest in ranting on ANY of the Cowboys' trips to the playoffs and could care less if they have been given any "special" consideration. These calls are, by their very nature, subjective and there is NO "capital T" truth of what happened. It's a logical fallacy to assume that something as multi-causal as the result of a football game is directly related to one, and only one, thing. Same as the "everybody" is upset about the outcome b/c the Steelers "cheated." Everybody thought the earth was flat but that didn't make it so.
    Who said the Steelers "cheated"? The call had an effect on the game...who knows what it would have been like without it. That's the main point. The calls seemed fishy to most for years...and then the official who made them came out and said they were wrong to make. So, I mean I can only take one thing from all this that's going on. The Seahawks got screwed by bad officiating in the fourth....wrong or right?
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    NO NO NO...you can not say suck D*** on this forum, nor did I tell you to do such a thing...I said that your poll puffin cowboys were going to all season long. And no you can not talk about molestation either. But if there is something you need to talk about there are hot lines that can help you. Poor little fella...

    Also I wouldn't be braggin about Romo getting to play in more games then Ben because Romo really "sucks hard" and 5 more games with him wont do your team any good. Defences are going to molest him all day long...(Molest= to annoy, disturb, or persecute especially with hostile intent or injurious effect.) forcing him to except what they feed him. No amount of mouth wash is going to get that taste out of his mouth. I hear losing taste really bad, but as a Cowboy fan you already know that....I'm thinkin your gonna be really pissed when Ben holds up trophy #7 and it gets displayed on that 200 foot TV in Cowboy stadium. HD and everything, wow, I cant wait....lol
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    The Seahawks got screwed by bad officiating in the fourth....wrong or right?
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    Who said the Steelers "cheated"? The call had an effect on the game...who knows what it would have been like without it. That's the main point. The calls seemed fishy to most for years...and then the official who made them came out and said they were wrong to make. So, I mean I can only take one thing from all this that's going on. The Seahawks got screwed by bad officiating in the fourth....wrong or right?[/QUOTE]

    Yes, you are right. Who knows what it would have been like without it? Going on how the Steelers have typically reacted, you could make a case that they would have won anyway. Obviously that is a conjecture, but just as likely as their losing the game.
    In terms of the call being fishy to "most" that is something that can't be substantiated. I hear that statement all the time and it turns out to be the person's two best friends who think so. Even if most people did think that, doesn't mean it's true. As to who said the Steelers cheated, using the term "fishy" to describe the situation calls into question the reason for making the calls and makes it sound as if there were some underhanded intent. Who would profit? Clearly the Steelers had the most to gain.
    It is a fact that the referee said he felt bad about making the call. Whether that makes the call right or wrong can't be determined as again it is his opinion. And we all have a right to our opinions, including you and me. I don't think you're going to change your opinion about what happened and neither am I. Bottom line on this for me is that bad or questionable calls are made ALL the time. Many were made in the play-offs that year and whether you think they were important or not they still might have had some influence on who ended up playing in the Super Bowl. Good teams often overcome bad calls. I really don't think Seattle was a very good team that year and they have gone downhill since then.
    This was pretty long-winded but this is over and out for me in this discussion as neither of us is going to change our minds.

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    Oh for Pete's sake......someone put this thread out of it's misery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RW318 View Post
    You're over here trying some lawyer bullshit disregarding the facts. Every NFL rule relies on the interpretation of the one enforcing it correct? Most of the refs chose not to call the petty bullshit on every single play. This one called it on a critical play and he even admitted to not having a clear view. He also admitted it was the wrong things to do. You literally have no point in arguing this FACT (nothing you bring up can change it...nothing)...yet you keep trying...while making a half ass attempt to belittle me.
    i'm being the lawyer? you are the one who dances around anything that disproves your lame theory that those 2 calls are THE reason we won the game. now correct me if i'm wrong (WHICH I'M NOT), if all that matters is the interpretation of the rules on the field, then why does the nfl make statements about the calls being wrong in a game. why do they send out apology letters to teams when bad officiating costs them games? we have received our fair share.

    we received 3 in the 2000 season alone. http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Nfl+On...ers-a065553706

    admitted that corolla was wrong for overturning polamalu's interception in the 05 divisional round against the colts.
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playof...ory?id=2294309

    2007 afc wild card game against jacksonville.
    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08093/869712-66.stm
    (scroll down to "playoff flag wasn't thrown")

    and that's just a few steelers examples. fact is the rules are supposed to be interpreted the right way. if the official is wrong they say so the vast majority of the time.

    HOLDING:
    from the nfl rulebook at nfl.com:
    Note: Pass blocking: Hand(s) thrust forward that slip outside the body of the defender will be legal if blocker immediately worked to bring them back inside. Hand(s) or arm(s) that ENCIRCLE A DEFENDER—I.E., HOOK AN OPPONENT—ARE TO BE CONSIDERED ILLEGAL AND OFFICIALS ARE TO CALL FOUL FOR HOLDING. Blocker cannot use his hands or arms to push from behind, hang onto, or encircle an opponent in a manner that restricts his movement as the play develops.

    which locklear clearly did on the replay. he hooked clark haggans' right arm. that is a penalty. i've seen darnell stapleton penalized for having one hand on ray lewis' bicep, slightly turning him and getting flagged for it. same deal.........

    I'm not saying that...you gave me an opinion of some random ****ing hometown guy like it mattered. I gave you one from a national announcer....soooooo. Apparently you're a ****ing retard as well...
    and you say i'm being a lawyer.....who are you to decide what announcer's opinion counts and what other announcer's doesn't? see, i brought that up because steeler hating morons like you make excuses regarding calls like the hold that "only a biased steeler fan would think that call was right" and i gave you the opinion of the PLAY BY PLAY MAN OF THE TEAM WHO WAS PENALIZED. that is some "random ass hometown guy"? IF ANYBODY WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT CALL IT WOULD BE A SEATTLE GUY AND HE THOUGHT IT WAS LEGIT. and seriously, being national or local has nothing to do with the argument. more dancing around the subject as you always do. so despite the fact that john madden has deep seated hatred for the steelers and has rarely had a kind word for them since the 70's his opinion is the only one that counts? lmfao! yeah let's ignore the seattle guy who agrees his team was properly penalized and let's only listen to a guy who loathes the steelers and has for over 30 years. great job there. you should run for office...........


    I'm talking about two calls made that were blown...you really wanna go back and see how much shit the Steelers got away with as well? You're not proving any point because I'm sure the Steelers got away with the same amount of shit...it's just....nobody is talking about that.
    interesting that you're "sure" that we "got away with the same" yet you can't name me one example. NOT ONE. yet i've named several and you try and downplay every single one of them. it's only a big deal to you when it's the other way around nice job once again senator...................

    You brought up ticky tack bullshit from another Superbowl....which I'm sure the Steelers got away with the same holding calls...like it should have been in the Superbowl in the debate. I asked for evidence and received it...move the **** on with those tears.
    again saying how you're "sure" we "got away" with other things yet you can't provide one example. OUTSTANDING JOURNALISM MY FRIEND! BRAVO! BOY YOU DESERVE A BISCUIT! btw, the only only with tears in their eyes is mr. butthurt cryboys fan who's on a steelers' site crying about a hold and low block from a game that was 5 years ago that doesn't involve his team. all because his precious little feelings are hurt that his so-called "america's team" doesn't have the most lombardi trophies boo hoo! you crack me up!

    I'm just happy my rapis....I mean QB (thought I was a Steelers fan for a second) is at least playing the first 5 games. I'm pretty sure saying I suck **** is allowed but calling a molester..a molester isnt. Interesting.
    now hold on a second here. i seem to recall michael irvin being accused of rape/sexual assault twice, just like ben, and not being charged for either because of a lack of evidence and questionable motives of the alleged victims, just like ben. so according to your brilliant logic that must mean michael irvin is a rapist too, right? get out of here with that self righteous bullshit. you could put together a series of encyclopedias about all the criminals and scumbags that have played for the dallas cowboys since the franchise's inception. drug dealing, assault, exposing one's self to a child, wife beating, etc. hey how about thomas hollywood henderson sexually assaulting a paraplegic minor IN A WHEEL CHAIR. make sure your franchise doesn't have it's own skeletons in the closet before running your mouth off about another franchise, especially when yours is the posterchild for scumbags..............

    http://www.jotterofarotter.com/2010/...ts-of-all.html
    http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl...ory?id=4884836

    Who said the Steelers "cheated"? The call had an effect on the game...who knows what it would have been like without it. That's the main point. The calls seemed fishy to most for years...and then the official who made them came out and said they were wrong to make. So, I mean I can only take one thing from all this that's going on. The Seahawks got screwed by bad officiating in the fourth....wrong or right?
    wrong. a) EVERY CALL has an impact on the game you moron. and not every call is going to be correct. but to sit there and blame a call like it absolutely, positively, 100% made the plays right after it happen is asinine. that hold was on 1st down. took what would have been a 1st and goal and made it a 1st and 20 from pit's 29, in field goal range. that call didn't make casey hampton blow through seattle's center sacking hasselbeck for a 5 yard loss. that call didn't make seattle very stupidly call a run play on 2nd and 25 (NOT THE FIRST TIME SEATTLE CALLED A RUN ON 2ND OR 3RD DOWN WITH OVER 20 YARDS TO GO) for only a 7 yard gain. that call didn't make hasselbeck trow that absolutely PITIFUL interception on 3rd and 18 from the 27. IF ANYTHING killed seattle's momentum in the 4th quarter it was that pick. fact is they had 3 chances to get a touchdown, set up another first and goal or at the very least KICK A CHIP SHOT FIELD GOAL THAT WOULD CUT THEIR DEFICIT TO 1 POINT. it would be a completely different game if he doesn't do his best neil o'donnell imitation. that pick sealed their fate. and like i said, name me one game, just one game where a bad call or missed call didn't affect the ebb and flow of a game. you can't because it happens in every game ever played. it's a weak excuse..............

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