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Crash
That's what people THINK, but it's not true.
The Steelers have ONLY won Titles/Super Bowls when they took the QB position seriously.
Taking the QB position seriously is far different than not being a defense/run first team.
Since Ben joined us (Super Bowl years in bold):
2004(NFL Rank): Rush-4, Pass-28
2005-Rush-5, Pass-24 (Defense 3 in points)
2006-Rush-10, Pass-9
2007-Rush-3, Pass-22
2008-Rush-23, Pass-19 (Defense 1)
2009-Rushing-19, Pass-9
2010-Rush-11, Pass-14 (Defense 1)
2011-Rush-14, Pass-11
As you can see, in no year have we had an "elite" passing game, which I would define as top 5. Even back with Bradshaw, it was run first and count on your D to win.
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They won 4 Super Bowls when Bradshaw was drafted #1 overall (Bradshaw and four of his offensive players are in Canton btw, so much for "so-so offense").
Yep, Bradshaw was a big part of it but they were not a pass happy team. It was mainly Franco, Rocky, and a great D.
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They won three AFC titles and 2 rings in 9 years when they got Ben.
In years where they were ranked 24th, 19th, and 14th in passing. Only one of those years is even in the top 50% (2010 barely) in passing.
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This teams success is defined by franchise QBs behind center. Period.
LOL And it had nothing to do with Mean Joe, Lambert, Shell, Blount, Porter, Greene, Harrison, Troy, etc.
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You can have the perception.
I'll take reality for $500 Alex.
Reality is we have had an average passing game AT BEST in the three years we have been to the Super Bowl with Ben. Our defense was ranked first twice and third once in the same years. Sure, it has been ALL about Ben. LOL
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So a head coach can't implement his system?
Sure he can. The funny part is that you want to give Morris credit for making defensive decisions in TB but have not even contemplated that perhaps Tomlin has a say in whether the Steelers go safe in the fourth quarter with small leads. In fact, I would AGREE that we do it too much, but we play just as conservatively with the offense (run, run, screen, punt) in that situation (and gives the D more opportunities to lose the lead) which makes me believe this how the head coach wants us to play.
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You are ignoring the point though: EVERYONE has done it to LeBeau in the 4th quarter in crunch time.
Yeah, "everyone" is doing it yet we win 10-12 games most years and have made three recent Super Bowls. "Everyone" is not doing it enough then...
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Tim Tebow throwing for 316 yards? He hasn't thrown for 316 yards TOTAL since.
Funny you would throw this in there since this is a game where Lebeau did exactly what you wanted. On the game-winning play, we blitzed and played press man to man, so now you are going to use it as evidence DL sucks? As I said, your arguments are not even coherent.
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How many drives did Dallas' defense start in their own territory because of Romo? You never did show me that one, did you? You are aware that Charlie Batch throwing a pick in the Ravens end zone is not the same as Romo throwing a pick on his side of the 50, correct?
You just make stuff up. The average starting position for Dallas opponents has been the 26 yard line this season (10th in league). The average field position for Steeler opponents has been the 30 (30th in league). So, the Steeler D has gone on the field in the worst field position of any team in the league except Philly and Oakland. To quote you, "'ll take (STATISTICALLY PROVEN) reality for $500, Alex."
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If you think Ben was "subpar" in XLIII you didn't watch that game.
AT BEST, he was "par." 256 yards with one TD and one INT does not make a Super Bowl legend. Steeler fans are blinded by the one great drive at the end, just as you are blinded by a couple of TDs given up by the D and completely ignoring that Lebeau's D created a pick six (which was needed to even make Ben's drive relevant) and recovered a fumble.
