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AZ_Steeler
10-01-2007, 11:57 PM
I'm not trying to start a conspiracy theory, or stir anything up but this is something I thought about just because I happen to be at both of the games. Go back to August 2006 the Steelers Cardinals opened up preseason in Arizona. That was Bens first action in a live situation since his motorcycle accident earlier that summer. Does anyone think that returning to the desert again just over a year later may have been weighing heavily on his mind and could have had some sort of effect on him???

It could be far fetched but I know everyone was waiting to see what would happen when he took that first hit in the preseason game so you know he had to be thinking of it to! :dunno:

TEEMONT
10-02-2007, 12:13 AM
no way...lets not make excuses for him.

floodcitygirl
10-02-2007, 12:28 AM
I personally believe that meeting up with his old coach had more effect on him than anyone wanted to admit was true. Not an excuse.....just an observation. The amount he had to scramble probably didn't help much either.

SteelerSteve
10-02-2007, 12:28 AM
if anything, the matchup against whiz and grimm would be the only thing weighing on his mind.

BlitzburghRockCity
10-02-2007, 12:30 AM
Nah, going back to AZ didn't do it for him. Whiz did get into his mind though and while Ben normally forces the issue you can bet his mind was on the fact of trying to beat Whiz and stick one to his former coach.

Black@Gold Forever32
10-02-2007, 12:46 AM
Ok its plain and simple...Ben had an off game due to the Oline....I don't think the return trip to the desert for Ben or Whiz played a factor....Tom Brady or even Peyton Manning would have had off games to behind that mess of an Oline yesterday......

Plus with Nate and Ced looking like complete lost idiots out there to didn't help....lol

K Train
10-02-2007, 12:49 AM
power rankings come out tomorrow, i hope were dead last right where we belong after playing like retards, make them work for respect after that mess

Koopa
10-02-2007, 12:52 AM
i don't even think it was an off game, 2 ints sure, but 1 was at the end of the game when there was no legit chance of winning teh game so he was juch chucking it to his wrs, and nate just stood there like a ****tard, and i didn't see the first int, but the way arians was calling plays it was probably cause it was obvious we were gonna throw that it became to easy to not pick it off............ he had 2 tds, sure 1 was meaningless, but damn that first one was beautiful, nicely placed in holmes hands in the endzone for a 43 yard bomb......and he was running for his life the whole damn game cause one of our lineman was already playing for the cards and the other guys on the line suck dick and wouldn't even be on other teams practice squads.........

K Train
10-02-2007, 12:53 AM
well said

Black@Gold Forever32
10-02-2007, 12:59 AM
i don't even think it was an off game, 2 ints sure, but 1 was at the end of the game when there was no legit chance of winning teh game so he was juch chucking it to his wrs, and nate just stood there like a ****tard, and i didn't see the first int, but the way arians was calling plays it was probably cause it was obvious we were gonna throw that it became to easy to not pick it off............ he had 2 tds, sure 1 was meaningless, but damn that first one was beautiful, nicely placed in holmes hands in the endzone for a 48 yard bomb......and he was running for his life the whole damn game cause one of our lineman was already playing for the cards and the other guys on the line suck dick and wouldn't even be on other teams practice squads.........

Koop, I'm not knocking Ben at all and don't blame him for the loss at all...Like I said Brady or Manning would have had trouble having success behind that Oline yesterday....But he had an off game for the reasons that were hardly his fault.....

BlitzburghRockCity
10-02-2007, 08:58 AM
Can we trade in our offensive line on a new model ? :lol:

Iron City South
10-02-2007, 09:13 AM
I'm not trying to start a conspiracy theory, or stir anything up but this is something I thought about just because I happen to be at both of the games. Go back to August 2006 the Steelers Cardinals opened up preseason in Arizona. That was Bens first action in a live situation since his motorcycle accident earlier that summer. Does anyone think that returning to the desert again just over a year later may have been weighing heavily on his mind and could have had some sort of effect on him???

It could be far fetched but I know everyone was waiting to see what would happen when he took that first hit in the preseason game so you know he had to be thinking of it to! :dunno:



AZ - Personally I think BR has moved well beyond his accident and into a mode of, "I've got something to prove"

BR just had a bad game as did most on the team ... happens to the best of 'em.

LatrobePA
10-02-2007, 09:17 AM
Ok its plain and simple...Ben had an off game due to the Oline....I don't think the return trip to the desert for Ben or Whiz played a factor....Tom Brady or even Peyton Manning would have had off games to behind that mess of an Oline yesterday......

Plus with Nate and Ced looking like complete lost idiots out there to didn't help....lol

I don't buy the OLINE theory. Ben held the ball too damn long.Yes the Oline SUCKS but Ben was trying to hard to "make a play". There for we all know what happens at that point....

Throw it away live for another down!!

Blame our worthless corners for allowing them to march right down the field, or our lack of tackling on the punt return.

Point simple, throw the quick screens, get rid of the ball.

Him and BA are too "buddy buddy" and this shouldn't be, it should be BA coaching Ben not the other way around!!

TEEMONT
10-02-2007, 09:45 AM
I don't buy the OLINE theory. Ben held the ball too damn long.Yes the Oline SUCKS but Ben was trying to hard to "make a play". There for we all know what happens at that point....

Throw it away live for another down!!

Blame our worthless corners for allowing them to march right down the field, or our lack of tackling on the punt return.

Point simple, throw the quick screens, get rid of the ball.

Him and BA are too "buddy buddy" and this shouldn't be, it should be BA coaching Ben not the other way around!!

So you want him to go 0-30 b/c he has pressure on down? That game was the O-line's fault plain and simple. The D, despite being banged up hung in there and gave us a chance to win. Even having Hines in there wouldn't have helped us out at all. If Ben could have gotten 3.5 seconds to set himself and throw the ball, instead of being on the rn every damn time, we would have won that game. He was holding the ball so long b/c he had no choice, you can't feel a little pressure and then BAM throw the ball away.

Maybe our new O-line coach should stop sending porn e-mails to everyone in the league, and coach up his squad. I know people have down games, but hell, what are we going to do against the Pats and Ravens?

GoBenGo
10-02-2007, 10:07 AM
I'm not trying to start a conspiracy theory, or stir anything up but this is something I thought about just because I happen to be at both of the games. Go back to August 2006 the Steelers Cardinals opened up preseason in Arizona. That was Bens first action in a live situation since his motorcycle accident earlier that summer. Does anyone think that returning to the desert again just over a year later may have been weighing heavily on his mind and could have had some sort of effect on him???

It could be far fetched but I know everyone was waiting to see what would happen when he took that first hit in the preseason game so you know he had to be thinking of it to! :dunno:


the best part of fruitcakes is pickin' out the nuts.

LatrobePA
10-02-2007, 11:20 AM
So you want him to go 0-30 b/c he has pressure on down? That game was the O-line's fault plain and simple. The D, despite being banged up hung in there and gave us a chance to win. Even having Hines in there wouldn't have helped us out at all. If Ben could have gotten 3.5 seconds to set himself and throw the ball, instead of being on the rn every damn time, we would have won that game. He was holding the ball so long b/c he had no choice, you can't feel a little pressure and then BAM throw the ball away.

Maybe our new O-line coach should stop sending porn e-mails to everyone in the league, and coach up his squad. I know people have down games, but hell, what are we going to do against the Pats and Ravens?



Ben was looking for the BIG play all day and not looking for the quick outs. Hit the quick outs a few times and the pressure backs off. Hold the ball looking for a 30+ yd play and your *** will be swarmed everytime!!

Point is, he was trying to damn hard to beat Whiz....

GoBenGo
10-02-2007, 11:39 AM
He did seem to hold the ball a little long, maybe it was that he could move around so well and buy time. I think our recievers missed Ward's leadership, and Ben has a whole different level of confidence with Hines. I also think Miller was seriously hindered by Spaeth being out. Heath was quiet and covered all day, with no other TE threat. I still don't think too highly of the Cardinal DB's, our recievers could have, should have, had a better effort.

AZSteelerfan
10-02-2007, 11:40 AM
I think it was a team effort on that loss. Look at special teams giving up the deciding 7pts of the game, the Oline was playing as if this was there first game ever, secondary was running around like they were playing tag, the dline was not pressuring the QB like they should have, and Ben was throwing into coverage....All in all it was a team effort on this loss

AZ_Steeler
10-02-2007, 12:06 PM
I know the entire team had an off day, but you really gotta wonder if that may have been resting in the back of his mind because that was an emotional day back in August of 2006 for BR...

Iron City South
10-02-2007, 12:55 PM
In my mind, BR made one fatal error ... that was the end zone INT. Other than that, I would say he did far better than he should have considering the pressure.

I'm in the camp that thinks the OL got manhandled in both run and pass blocking.

steelcurtaingal
10-02-2007, 01:07 PM
In my mind, BR made one fatal error ... that was the end zone INT. Other than that, I would say he did far better than he should have considering the pressure.

I'm in the camp that thinks the OL got manhandled in both run and pass blocking.

:bigthumb: i agree. walked in from the bathroom, and that was the play i saw. iot was enough to make me sick.
our o-line was horrid, but i think they can improve.

GoBenGo
10-02-2007, 02:42 PM
I know the entire team had an off day, but you really gotta wonder if that may have been resting in the back of his mind because that was an emotional day back in August of 2006 for BR...
I think the moxy that makes him an NFL player allowed him to get passed that. I believe it is a closed chapter in his mind , if anything more like a rebirth.

Besides they had no New Yorkers on their team.:greengrin:

DIESELMAN
10-02-2007, 07:39 PM
Ben had a decent day and considering the pressure he was getting he did damn good to only get sacked 4 times and only 2 INT's. If CeDICK and N. Worthless would have been on the same page as Ben, running the right routes and not slowing down on deep post patterns it might have been a different game. At least Ben never gave up and was about the only one trying to make the plays.

BlitzburghRockCity
10-02-2007, 07:47 PM
That's a good point Diesel...if this had been Ben from last year he'd have sacked atleast 10 times but he's come a long way and his nimbleness and pocket presence allowed him to escape most of those potential sacks.

strong D
10-02-2007, 08:25 PM
is walter young on the practice sqad?
:stirpot::stirpot::stirpot:

Stlrs4Life
10-02-2007, 09:58 PM
No, no way at all. Just some dumb decisions on Bens part.