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AZ_Steeler
09-19-2007, 12:53 AM
Link to story... (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07262/818640-66.stm?cmpid=steelers.xml)
I'm not one to mess around with curses... just look a the Madden curse :D


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Barry Foster carried the Steelers on his back in 1992. He ran a team-record 390 times for a team-record 1,690 yards. He added 36 receptions to his offensive total.

Then his wheels came off. A badly sprained left ankle that eventually required surgery helped more than cut his yardage in half in 1993, when he ran 177 times for 711 yards. In 1994, he had 851 yards. In 1995, he was out of the league at age 26.

Yesterday, Steelers coach Mike Tomlin made a promise about Willie Parker at his news conference that challenged the "Curse of 370," the very reason many believe Foster broke down.

"We're going to ride Willie until the wheels come off," Tomlin declared. "He's game for that, he's in great physical condition, he wants the ball, he's a competitor and he's showing he's capable of doing that."

Uh-oh. For the true believers, if Parker hits 370 carries this season, his wheels will come off and he will never be as good a runner again. This is not anecdotal, like the "Curse of the Bambino." There is documented evidence that if a runner carries 370 times a season, including the postseason, nothing but bad things happen to him.

Researchers at Football Outsiders, an independent Web site based in Framingham, Mass., dedicated to following the NFL, have documented the phenomenon for several years. They have produced an impressive list of those backs who carried 370 times in one season and then hit a wall.

They define the "Curse of 370" thusly:

"A running back with 370 or more carries during the regular season will usually suffer either a major injury or loss of effectiveness the following year, unless he is named Eric Dickerson."

Among the documented post-370 failures that Football Outsiders documents are such recent examples as Terrell Davis, Eddie George, Curtis Martin, Jamal Lewis, Ricky Williams and Natrone Means, and such luminaries of the past as Hall of Famer Earl Campbell.

Parker carried 337 times last season, fourth most in Steelers history, for 1,494 yards. He has 50 carries this season, for 235 yards. That's a pace of 400 carries.

Could Parker join the list of cursed rushers or, if he reaches the magic number of 370, could he join Dickerson, a Hall of Famer who is among the few who thumbed their noses at the curse?

Tomlin believes the more Parker carries, the better he becomes. Tomlin plans to use him much the way Bill Cowher used Foster in his first season as Steelers coach -- as often as possible.

"He's getting better with each carry as these games go on, and I'm starting to realize that about him. He's a rhythm runner," Tomlin said. "So we're going to feed him. We're not going to make any bones about that."

Feed him to the wolves, curse believers claim. Tomlin wasn't asked about any curses at his news conference yesterday, and it's obvious he does not believe in them. He came to the Steelers professing his belief in a two-back system but seems to have adjusted that outlook. Najeh Davenport, Parker's backup, has 14 carries for 89 yards and has been used mainly on third downs and in mop-up time in routs of Cleveland and Buffalo.

Fullback Carey Davis is third on the team with four carries.

"We're going to play some people, but Willie Parker is our feature runner and that's no secret," Tomlin said. "When he needs a blow, he's going to get a blow; when he doesn't, he won't.

"Najeh has been kind of our third-down feature back. He's been our closer. Najeh has a significant number of carries here these first two weeks. He had six carries the other day; Carey Davis had a carry. So we're spreading the ball around, but we're going to ride with Willie Parker because we recognize what he is."

So, too, was the thinking in Seattle when Shaun Alexander ran 370 times to lead the NFL with 1,880 yards rushing in 2005, a 5.1-yard average per carry. In the third game of 2006, his foot was broken and he ran for 896 yards and a 3.6-yard average per carry. Through two games this season, he has 175 yards and a 3.9-yard average per carry.

Many curse observers are also watching Larry Johnson this season. He ran an NFL-record 416 times in the 2006 regular season for 1,789 yards. The Kansas City Chiefs rewarded the former Penn State back with a new contract Aug. 21 -- six years, $45 million, including $19 million in guaranteed money. It's the richest contract in Chiefs history.

Through two games, Johnson has 98 yards on 26 carries, tied for 29th in the NFL.

Koopa
09-19-2007, 01:12 AM
leave it to bitch boy ed boucoasedfkljfa wtfever to bring up a curse, i hate this faggot lol

well if we had a legit back up, cough tony hunt cough, then we wouldn't have to worry about no damn curse

willie is young, and didn't play in college so he's still a new car........... not sure what foster did in college but i'm sure he played more then willie did

hopefully we can blow out more of these teams we are playing these next few weeks so he can take the 4th quarters off and get some rest

black an gold 4 life
09-19-2007, 01:39 AM
willie reallys take care of himself so i'm not 2 worried about him falling apart 2 b the size he is i think he's about 210 it's all muscle, he'll b ok

BlitzburghRockCity
09-19-2007, 06:49 AM
There's alway's a curse for something anymore so it doesn't matter what you do. Next thing you know there will be a curse because you put your pants on with the opposite leg first ! Willie is the feature back, he's our man, and it's up to him to lead our ground attack.

You always worry about a RB wearing out before the postseason so it's imperative to use Najeh and Davis as well in the running game as much as possible to not only keep Willie fresh but to give those guys as many reps as possible so they aren't cold should they need to come in to full time duty for a period of time.

One thing is for sure though, you never heard of teams worrying about wearing out their players, back in the day ! Everybody was a lot more tough back then and things were different. In the modern league things have changed so much that we now worry about ridiculous curses for players.

okiesteeler
09-19-2007, 07:04 AM
Willie is a better runner than Dickerson ever was inho and will be able to carry the ball as much as we need him too, without having to worry about some stupid curse.

AZ_Steeler
09-19-2007, 09:24 AM
Willie is a better runner than Dickerson ever was inho and will be able to carry the ball as much as we need him too, without having to worry about some stupid curse.

Wow.. that's a pretty big comparison there! :cope:

SteelersWoman
09-19-2007, 10:46 AM
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You always worry about a RB wearing out before the postseason so it's imperative to use Najeh and Davis as well in the running game as much as possible to not only keep Willie fresh but to give those guys as many reps as possible so they aren't cold should they need to come in to full time duty for a period of time.

That's my thoughts on it as well.


...things have changed so much that we now worry about ridiculous curses for players.


We worry about them because they always "seem" to come true :yesnod:

The thing is, it's a ROUGH sport, and injuries are ALWAYS goin to happen in every game, to both teams. It's a fortunate week that it's not a BAD one (bad to me meaning the guy's out for at least 3 games or more--I shudder to think of ones worse than "bad"...:nono:) ANYway, that's why the curse "seems" to be true--it's the nature of the game.

But JUST in case...stop at number 369 Willie! :greengrin:

AZ_Steeler
09-19-2007, 11:22 AM
We worry about them because they always "seem" to come true :yesnod:
Exactly, especially when you look at Shaun Alexander last year and his MVP performance the year before, then last year Larry Johnson was huge for the Chiefs and he hasn't even broke a 100 yards total for the season let alone score a touchdown!

SteelersWoman
09-19-2007, 01:37 PM
Exactly, especially when you look at Shaun Alexander last year and his MVP performance the year before, then last year Larry Johnson was huge for the Chiefs and he hasn't even broke a 100 yards total for the season let alone score a touchdown!

I know I was thrilled when Ben turned down the Madden cover a few months ago! NOT that I'm superstitious or anything mind you...:lol: but why borrow trouble? :D

Koopa
09-19-2007, 03:09 PM
There's alway's a curse for something anymore so it doesn't matter what you do. Next thing you know there will be a curse because you put your pants on with the opposite leg first ! Willie is the STARTING back, he's our man, and it's up to him to lead our ground attack.

You always worry about a RB wearing out before the postseason so it's imperative to use Najeh and Davis as well in the running game as much as possible to not only keep Willie fresh but to give those guys as many reps as possible so they aren't cold should they need to come in to full time duty for a period of time.

One thing is for sure though, you never heard of teams worrying about wearing out their players, back in the day ! Everybody was a lot more tough back then and things were different. In the modern league things have changed so much that we now worry about ridiculous curses for players.


fixed........... he'll never be a feature back, he will always need a true back up, to bad since bettis retired he hasn't had one......... his stats are decieving..... he had over 400 yards in two games last year against weak *** defenses, if he didn't have those crazy badass games he would've only had about 1200 or less yards if he had his usual ****** games on the road against the browns or if the saints played a little defense

TEEMONT
09-19-2007, 04:16 PM
fixed........... he'll never be a feature back, he will always need a true back up, to bad since bettis retired he hasn't had one......... his stats are decieving..... he had over 400 yards in two games last year against weak *** defenses, if he didn't have those crazy badass games he would've only had about 1200 or less yards if he had his usual shiatty games on the road against the browns or if the saints played a little defense

NO, he is a feature back. When a dude rushes for 1600 yards, and crosses the goal line like 16 times, he is a feature back. He is on pace to do it again this year. Just b/c those 400 yards came against ****** defenses doesn't discredit them. How many yards did LT rack up on ****** D's last year? Do you think every Defense LT went against was the second coming of the Steel Curtain? I mean ****, he had a ****** game against us last year, does that mean LT isn't a feature back? You got this hate for Willie b/c he didn't go to a gay Big 12 school or something, but he is a feature back, and right now without a doubt in my mind, he is the 2nd best back in the AFC, 3rd best in the league. All he needs is to work on catching the ball, and he has a legitimate shot at becoming the greatest Steeler back of all time.

You cant sit here and say, "if this, if that, if, if, if......". what happened, happened. Put Willie behind LT's line last year, and he puts up comparable numbers. It's not like Willie had any kind of passing game to bail him out last year, when he had bad games 8-9 guys were in the box on every running play. Walter Payton isn't going to get any yards with 8-9 guys in the box.

SteelersWoman
09-19-2007, 05:57 PM
Jamal Lewis is a prime example of a back who couldn't do squat against a good D (ours) and then one week later put up inSANE numbers against a terrible one...

Koopa
09-19-2007, 06:17 PM
NO, he is a feature back. When a dude rushes for 1600 yards, and crosses the goal line like 16 times, he is a feature back. He is on pace to do it again this year. Just b/c those 400 yards came against shiatty defenses doesn't discredit them. How many yards did LT rack up on shiatty D's last year? Do you think every Defense LT went against was the second coming of the Steel Curtain? I mean shiat, he had a shiatty game against us last year, does that mean LT isn't a feature back? You got this hate for Willie b/c he didn't go to a gay Big 12 school or something, but he is a feature back, and right now without a doubt in my mind, he is the 2nd best back in the AFC, 3rd best in the league. All he needs is to work on catching the ball, and he has a legitimate shot at becoming the greatest Steeler back of all time.

You cant sit here and say, "if this, if that, if, if, if......". what happened, happened. Put Willie behind LT's line last year, and he puts up comparable numbers. It's not like Willie had any kind of passing game to bail him out last year, when he had bad games 8-9 guys were in the box on every running play. Walter Payton isn't going to get any yards with 8-9 guys in the box.

well he has yet to rush for 1600 so i guess he isn't a feature back like i've been saying........ he is way to inconsistent, until he can play good on the road he can't be considered a feature back......... and lt hasn't always been on a good team, but since day one he's been a great back, willie has just been a good back

K Train
09-19-2007, 06:27 PM
lol he rushed for like 1504, 96 yards isnt the deciding factor in him being a feature back or not. i dont think you give him enough credit, the whole team sucked dick last year, willie still put up good numbers. he can be the guy, he can carry the load and he will excel in this offense this year. and you keep mentioning tony hunt.....najeh is really doing a great job whenever he touches the ball, hunt isnt even dressing for philly games i dont think. davenport is getting 6.5 yards a carry and is running really hard, harder than we all thought he could. we have the #2 run attack right now i think

Koopa
09-19-2007, 06:34 PM
he rushed for 1494 last year, and i like willie alot, i just don't think he's a feature back, he's been the starter for 2 years and for those 2 years he has been inconsistent, one game he's great and then the next he's average, he can't play on the road, even in the superbowl year he couldn't....... he always shines against the ****** teams, good thing we play a lot of them...... but when we play any team worth the damn the last two years he has flopped........ he has yet to prove he can be an every down back, and i don't think he ever will, and i rather him not be, we need a legit back up........ two back systems >>>>>>>>>> one back

K Train
09-19-2007, 06:41 PM
well 2 back systems are great, but i think they are kinda overrated.

just give him another year, he hasnt always been bad on the road, just last year, and it wasnt just him, i would seriously blame cowher for that, not to mention we played jax and SD, bot of which manhandled a cripple jeff hartings. i really think hes gonna have a beast year

DIESELMAN
09-19-2007, 06:43 PM
If there was a curse he would be running like LJ right now. So far this season.FWP has 235 yds with a 4.7 average...curse? I don't think so.

BlackGold4vr
09-19-2007, 07:11 PM
If there was a curse he would be running like LJ right now. So far this season.FWP has 235 yds with a 4.7 average...curse? I don't think so.

:plus1:

What does the candy *** LaDanian Tomlinson have? ONLY 68 yards with a whopping 1.9 per carry. Those sure are good feature back numbers! :hilarious:

So what if he doesn't have holes to run through. Koopa expects Willie to run well under those conditions. Guess Ladanian just isn't a feature back anymore! Or is he waiting to rack up some big yards against a weak defense? Hmmmm. Sure smells like Koopa holds Willie to tougher standards than he does the other prima dona feature backs. :nono:

K Train
09-19-2007, 07:20 PM
lol he does, he even said he does, just like he does with tony parker, little french faggot lol....its hilarious, we could go 16-0 and ben could pass for 5000 yards but as soon as he throws an incomplete pass, bruce arians ****ing sucks :lol:

Koopa
09-19-2007, 07:24 PM
of course i do, he plays for the team i root for........... and willie said he wants to be better then lt.........so wtf??? you expect me to make excues for him when he plays like **** against decent teams???

and k train it wasn't only last year that he played bad on the road, in 05, he only did good against the texans, browns and cincy....... other then that, most road games he was a flop

K Train
09-19-2007, 07:29 PM
he was not as good as he is now in 05, not by a long shot, and he was sharing an assload of carries with bettis

Koopa
09-19-2007, 07:45 PM
lol @ all the excuses you throw out, he played like *** in those games and it wasn't cause he shared the ball, he was just sucked balls against teams with decent defenses

BlackGold4vr
09-19-2007, 07:48 PM
Willie has an excellent shot at the rushing title this year. Jamal Lewis will not get to play the Bungels every week so we know he can't maintain. LJ is on one of the worst teams in the league this year who will be playing from behind most of the year and passing more, we have seen that LT can't run against the good teams. Willie has as good a chance as any other feature back to win the rushing title. :yesnod:

:markit:

K Train
09-19-2007, 07:52 PM
lol @ all the excuses you throw out, he played like *** in those games and it wasn't cause he shared the ball, he was just sucked balls against teams with decent defenses

you put it all on him though and thats ****ed up, we had a weak offense and a really predictable one at that, spread some blame around a little lol

K Train
09-19-2007, 07:53 PM
Willie has an excellent shot at the rushing title this year. Jamal Lewis will not get to play the Bungels every week so we know he can't maintain. LJ is on one of the worst teams in the league this year who will be playing from behind most of the year and passing more, we have seen that LT can't run against the good teams. Willie has as good a chance as any other feature back to win the rushing title. :yesnod:

:markit:

honestly i think travis henry will run away with that one, he is the first good RB to run in that system in a while

steelcurtaingal
09-19-2007, 07:56 PM
Willie has an excellent shot at the rushing title this year. Jamal Lewis will not get to play the Bungels every week so we know he can't maintain. LJ is on one of the worst teams in the league this year who will be playing from behind most of the year and passing more, we have seen that LT can't run against the good teams. Willie has as good a chance as any other feature back to win the rushing title. :yesnod:

:markit:

I like what your saying, but I (sadly) have to disagree on one thing. Its not that L.T cant run against good teams, its that they WONT run him against good teams.

K Train
09-19-2007, 07:58 PM
thats true too, norv turner is a ****ing failure

BlackGold4vr
09-19-2007, 08:29 PM
I like what your saying, but I (sadly) have to disagree on one thing. Its not that L.T cant run against good teams, its that they WONT run him against good teams.

Your excuses for LT are weak. I watched both of those games and a 1.9 yards per carry is what it is. If he gains more than a yard on first down he doesn't force his team into passing situations on 2nd and 3rd downs. He has carried the ball 35 times for 68 yards. If he wasn't stinking up the field im sure they would have given him the ball more often. He just couldn't do anything with it when they did. Maybe if his prima donna *** wasn't sitting on the bench throughout the entire pre-season he may be more in game shape. There are 21 running backs in the league who have carried the ball 35 times or less and have more yards than golden boy. Don't try to defend poor play. It is what it is! :nono:

TEEMONT
09-19-2007, 11:06 PM
right now Willie >>>>>>>>>>>> LT

( think the >>>>>> is the gayest thing in the world....besides lance bass...and tony parker)

I cant give koop too much **** though....he hates on willie like I hate on Ben....

K Train
09-19-2007, 11:46 PM
yeah like i hate on wilson....the ****ing scrub *** bitch, **** ******* ****** damn i hate him