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AZ_Steeler
08-24-2007, 08:02 PM
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NEW YORK -- The NFL has suspended Falcons quarterback Michael Vick indefinitely without pay following his admission of guilt in a dogfighting scheme.

On Friday, Vick filed his plea agreement in federal court admitting to conspiracy in a dogfighting ring and agreeing that the enterprise included killing pit bulls and gambling. He denied making side bets on the fights, but admitted to bankrolling them.

Friday afternoon, a letter to Vick from NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said, in part:

"Your admitted conduct was not only illegal, but also cruel and reprehensible" and regardless whether he personally placed bets, "your actions in funding the betting and your association with illegal gambling both violate the terms of your NFL player contract and expose you to corrupting influences in derogation of one of the most fundamental responsibilities of an NFL player."

Goodell freed the Falcons to "assert any claims or remedies" to recover $22 million of Vick's signing bonus from the 10-year, $130 million contract he signed in 2004.

The commissioner didn't speak to Vick but based his decison on the court filings. NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said Goodell may meet with Vick in the future, but that hasn't been determined.

"You have engaged in conduct detrimental to the welfare of the NFL and have violated the league's personal conduct policy," Goodell told Vick in a letter.

"Even if you personally did not place bets, as you contend, your actions in funding the betting and your association with illegal gambling both violate the terms of your NFL Player Contract and expose you to corrupting influences in derogation of one of the most fundamental responsibilities of an NFL player."

"I will review the status of your suspension following the conclusion of the legal proceedings. As part of that review, I will take into account a number of factors, including the resolution of any other charges that may be brought against you, whether in Surry County, Virginia, or other jurisdictions, your conduct going forward, the specifics of the sentence imposed by Judge Hudson and any related findings he might make, and the extent to which you are truthful and cooperative with law enforcement and league staff who are investigating these matters."

"I have advised the Falcons that, with my decision today, they are no longer prohibited from acting and are now free to assert any claims or remedies available to them under the Collective Bargaining Agreement or your NFL Player Contract."

Information from The Associated Press is included in this report

I think they took a little to long to make this decision!

Steel-Da-One
08-24-2007, 08:28 PM
i think goodell should have gone all the way and issued a lifetime ban to that punk but i guess this is better than the slap on the wrist i was expecting him to get.

SteelersfaninPhilly
08-24-2007, 08:58 PM
Link to story... (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2990157)


I think they took a little to long to make this decision!


Az,

The league is still investigating. The leagues hired investigator who has not turned in his official report yet. The process is on going. Of course now Vick could have bigger issues to worry. Scuttle but is that he dropped the dime on DMX. Not to mention DMX properties were raided today and dogs pitbulls specifically were seized. Vick just might end up in a body bag before he even gets prison issued clothes.

KSSteelerfan
08-24-2007, 10:18 PM
Vick's dog days are just beginning
Kevin Hench
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Like so many of Michael Vick's third-down conversion attempts, his legal defense against dogfighting charges ended Monday with a punt.

By the time all his so-called friends were done flipping, it was 4th-and-38. Even the elusive Vick had to realize there was no scrambling out of this one. (The prosecution doesn't view him as a flight risk because he has no friends left to drive the white Bronco.)
The fact that Vick's friends flipped so readily has led some of his defenders to decry the lack of loyalty in the Vick posse. Hey, here's a heads up: if your friends enjoy watching dogs tear each other apart, they might not turn out to be the highest character guys when you need them to have your back.

And those, like Donovan McNabb and Emmitt Smith, who were quick to condemn Vick's associates should bear in mind that Vick certainly seemed prepared to throw his entire posse under the bus to "clear his good name." But plea deals don't go from the top down. A drug kingpin can't get a lesser sentence by rolling on his street peddlers. Vick financed the operation. He was the big fish.

While the guilty plea will cost Vick his freedom for a to-be-determined length of time, it has liberated those of us writing about the case from the annoying and clunky and increasingly insulting use of "allegedly."

And thus concludes this chapter of the long, sad saga of a bad guy who was worse than we thought.

When Vick settled a civil lawsuit brought by a woman who said he'd knowingly given her herpes (and that he'd entered clinics for treatment under the alias Ron Mexico), it spawned a lot of jokes and a jersey-purchasing frenzy.


Michael Vick suspended





News:

NFL suspends Vick indefinitely

Blank applauds suspension

Goodell: Vick's conduct 'cruel'

Vick plea, statement of facts (.pdf)

Vick admits bankrolling operation

Horn: Vick did 'what he had to do'

NAACP: Vick 'is not a victim'

Vick gets support from Marbury

Pit bulls may be euthanized

NAACP: Vick should play again

Vick accepts a plea deal

NFL will wait to act

Falcons trying to move on

Reaction to Vick pleading guilty

Vick case raised awareness

NFL statement on Vick plea

Summary of Facts: Peace (.pdf)

Summary of Facts: Phillips (.pdf)

Analysis:

Czar: Vick playing semantics

Whitlock: Call off the dogs

Kriegel: Second chance for Vick?

Hench: Vick had to plea

Czar: Vick's NFL career is done

Becker: A good deal for Vick?

Community:

Poll: What should punishment be?

Video:

Glazer dishes on Vick



When Vick flipped off the fans in Atlanta, he joined a long line of frustrated athletes who had responded to the boo birds with the dirty digit.

When he refused to hand over a water bottle at the airport in Miami and the bottle was later determined to have a secret stash for contraband in it, it seemed more stupid than dangerous.

But breeding dogs for the sick satisfaction of watching them fight and then executing the underperformers? This is the back story of a serial killer, not a mere coach killer.

From the very first day this story broke, it seemed impossible to imagine any other outcome. Vick bred dogs. He owned the property where dogfighting had clearly taken place. He wasn't breeding these poor creatures for the Westminster Dog Show.

Perhaps realizing he would be unable to answer the prosecution's first question — "Why, sir, did you breed dogs?" — Vick copped.

The guilty plea raises several questions: 1. Why not go to trial? 2. What is an appropriate punishment? 3. Will he ever play in the NFL again?

Could Vick have won at trial?

Well, clearly his attorneys didn't think so. The fact that his defense team — the ones with the most to gain financially by a protracted trial — recommended that Vick accept a plea speaks volumes about his overwhelming guilt. His lawyers must have felt completely incapable of mounting a credible defense.

A guilty defendant knows he can't rely on exculpatory evidence for acquittal, but surely someone as rich as Vick could assemble a legal dream team to muddle the prosecution's case and confuse a jury.

Couldn't Robert Shapiro, F. Lee Bailey, Barry Scheck and Alan Dershowitz convince any 12 people who couldn't get out of jury duty that these dogs had committed suicide?

Possibly. But this trial promised to feature one thing the O.J. Simpson case lacked: damning eyewitness testimony.

Imagine if Al Cowlings and Robert Kardashian and five others were lined up to provide testimony against O.J., and you get a sense of what the Vick defense team would have been up against.

But given that leniency doesn't seem to be a component of the prosecution's plea offer, what did Vick have to lose by throwing the Hail Mary and going to trial? He would have had to sit there and endure in painstaking detail — and gruesome photos, one of which he may have been in — the carnage of Bad Newz Kennels.

Though it seems impossible that he'll ever salvage his career or reputation, a blow-by-blow public accounting of his behavior could only have made things worse.

Will the sentence fit the crime?


Michael Vick agreed Monday to plead guilty to federal dogfighting conspiracy charges. (Jonathan Ernst / Getty Images)

Reports have varied as to what the prosecution will ask for in terms of jail time — anywhere from 12 to 36 months — but one thing seems clear: Vick will be punished more severely than anyone who has ever been convicted of these crimes.

Vick can say goodbye to much — if not all — of the remaining money on the 10-year, $130M contract he signed in 2004, and the Falcons may try to recover some of the $22M already paid Vick as part of his signing bonus. It's safe to say that Arthur Blank believes Vick has violated the personal-conduct clause of his contract. It seems doubtful that, once Vick formalizes his plea next week, the Falcons will ever pay him another penny.

Given the loss of endorsements, Vick will likely lose over $100M as a result of his crimes. Major American corporations don't get hit with fines like that for even the most egregious violations.

Vick's crimes were not committed in the heat of the moment. He didn't snap. He didn't do too much meth or lose his mind with jealously. He matter-of-factly bred dogs to be used for his entertainment in a bloodsport.

A couple years in jail and all his net worth sounds about right to me.

Will Vick ever play in the NFL again?

No. How could he?

Even if the gambling aspect of the dogfighting ring does not earn Vick a lifetime ban, there just don't seem to be any circumstances that could lead him back under center in the NFL.

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He's simply not a good enough quarterback to merit the s---storm signing him would unleash. What owner would invite the public backlash to acquire a QB with a 75.7 career rating?

Terrell Owens is an elite receiver. Jerry Jones deemed him worth the headache. Pacman Jones has the tools to be a shutdown corner. As long as he's not in prison or suspended, someone will give him a job. But in six seasons in the NFL, Michael Vick has thrown 71 touchdown passes and turned the ball over 79 times (52 picks, 27 lost fumbles).

Before all hell broke loose, there were a lot of NFL fans who thought the Falcons made a mistake in sending Matt Schaub to Houston. Vick was already a borderline starting NFL quarterback. Now he's radioactive.

When Vick submits to his plea deal next Monday, the judge is not obligated to accept the terms. He could instead opt for a harsher sentence.

Vick will want mercy from the judge. Which is more than Vick gave those dogs.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7140020



Vick has no one but himself to blame for his downfall. Apparently he should have picked his friends er business associates a little bit better. In the famous words of the ancient crusading Knight in the movie Indiana Jones and the last Crusade, "Mike Vick you have not chosen wisely.":nono:

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Vick caught in game of semantics
John Czarnecki
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OK, the big revelation Friday in Michael Vick's plea agreement is that he admitted that he simply bankrolled the dogfighting gambling ring that he and three friends operated, but that he never took any prize money.

Is that splitting hairs, a legal technicality simply designed to lesson whatever future NFL suspension he may receive after his jail term? Or, is it that the federal prosecutors merely couldn't prove a satisfactory money trail to Vick that he ever collected, say a $5,000 bet, when one of his dogs won? More importantly, does it matter?
The bottom line is that this dogfighting ring wouldn't have existed without Vick and his checkbook. He bought the house on Moonlight Road, the dogs and this entire enterprise was a way for him to financially take care of some of his friends, including one who served time for selling drugs. What's the difference between bankrolling an illegal dogfighting ring and bankrolling an after-hours casino at your house?


Michael Vick suspended

By indefinitely suspending Vick on Friday, Commissioner Roger Goodell seems to be viewing Vick's claims that he didn't profit from any of the dog fights as mere semantics. Goodell said "even if you did not place bets, as you contend, your actions in funding the betting and your association with illegal gambling both violate the terms of your NFL Player Contract and expose you to corrupting influences... one of the most fundamental responsibilities of an NFL player."

Vick did hire excellent lawyers and these issues that he never personally applied the electrical cable when a dog was killed or that he never won a few measly dollars may be important in reducing his jail time. Believe me, that is Vick's concern at the moment.

Once Vick is sentenced and serves whatever time the judge hands down, Goodell will decide whether to make Vick's suspension permanent. Initially, the opinion was Goodell would give Vick a two-year suspension one for his reprehensible actions involving dogfighting and one for gambling once he serves his jail term.

During this entire episode, a case that by federal standards was amazing in how quickly it was prosecuted and concluded, I have wavered on Vick's future. My last thoughts were that he will never play in the NFL again. Some of my colleagues have pointed out that in America, you are entitled to a second chance and that Vick should be allowed to earn a fair living.

I'm for him earning a living; I just don't believe it entitles him to earn a living in the NFL. Isn't it time to put a stop to some of this criminal and nauseating behavior by sports stars? Isn't the game bigger than one left-handed quarterback? Also, there must be more to Vick the man than simply being a football player. He must have other talents and interests.


I say this because there are too many fans that simply don't want to see Vick playing and then be forced to watch while other fans cheer his every move. It's a little too much hero worship for me.

Should Goodell impose a lifetime ban, Vick can challenge the league in court and see what owners and coaches will join the quarterback's fight against such a suspension.

And don't you love all these coaches saying what a hard worker Vick was, what a great guy he was before they couch their statement in how upset they are about the allegations?

I wrote last month that Vick's big money $29.5 million in his last contract was in the form of roster bonuses. It's going to be tough to get that money back because he fulfilled the obligations of those clauses by being on the roster in 2004, 2005 and 2006 when the bulk of that money was paid.

I simply can't feel sorry for Vick.

When examining his first contract, when he was the first player selected in the 2001 draft, Vick was paid $17.9 million during his first three seasons. On his next contract, signed in 2004, he earned another $48.5 million through last season for a grand total of $66.4 million paid by the Falcons since he entered the league. That amount doesn't account for whatever endorsement and appearance deals he received because of his NFL status.



You and I and most other people should be able to live happily on that without playing or watching another down of football.

StlersGuy
08-24-2007, 10:27 PM
about time

KSSteelerfan
08-25-2007, 11:47 AM
about time

I agree.:bigthumb:

StlersGuy
08-25-2007, 11:52 AM
now I hope what they mean by indefinitely is forever...

Michael Vick is the Pete Rose of the NFL

KSSteelerfan
08-25-2007, 12:08 PM
now I hope what they mean by indefinitely is forever...

Michael Vick is the Pete Rose of the NFL

I feel the same way Ohio Steeler. The guy figuratively speaking has "shot himself in the foot" or as we used to say in the military "fallen on his sword."
How could this one guy and others like him decide to do something so heinous like this. I think often of our two little dogs and I cannot begin to fathom how somebody could be so cruel as to use small pets and animals as "bait" to train their fighting dogs. I am having a hard time even grasping this concept. Vick should be done forever. Lifetime ban. Period. Not even Pete Rose I don't believe could even be that cruel. At least I don't think unless he was gambling on dogfights too. Nothing has ever been indicated that Rose did anything like that anyhow. It's going to take a long time and I mean a looooonnnnggggg time for people to forgive Vick. My gut feeling is that Vick will never see a down marker, a snap or a "Hail Mary" as long as Goodell continues to be the commish in the NFL. And that's a good thing.
I am just hoping that at some point someone doesn't cave into the pressure of the NAACP to give Vick another chance. I would hate to see that happen, but living in the PC society that we live in sometimes I don't think that that is too far fetched sometime down the road. Sad but true.

SteelerBee43
08-25-2007, 05:59 PM
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p125/dogpoundbrenda/Vick.jpg
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digdug
08-25-2007, 06:24 PM
Az,

The league is still investigating. The leagues hired investigator who has not turned in his official report yet. The process is on going. Of course now Vick could have bigger issues to worry. Scuttle but is that he dropped the dime on DMX. Not to mention DMX properties were raided today and dogs pitbulls specifically were seized. Vick just might end up in a body bag before he even gets prison issued clothes.

If he snitched on anyone he deserves what he gets, and what he gets in that circle is 86'ed. Scratch that - he deserves whatever he gets just for being a scumbag in general!

Good Riddance to Smelly, Diseased, Scummy, Worthless, Dog Killing Rubbish
:postal: :reddevil: :blueshoot:

NOVA STEELERS
08-31-2007, 02:29 PM
A sad day for the NFL, but a good day for everyone who knows vick for who he is a CRIMINAL............. say hi to Bubba

StlersGuy
08-31-2007, 02:34 PM
A sad day for the NFL, but a good day for everyone who knows vick for who he is a CRIMINAL............. say hi to Bubba

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