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Blitzburghpete
08-14-2007, 03:30 PM
Guys,
I'm having this argument over here in the uk about the roster spots taken up by so called "specalist" players. Points we're arguing are

Do you really need 1 person roster spot to snap the ball for kicks? Can't you just get centres to train to do this? Use the backup centre for long snaps?

Do you really need 2 or in somecases 3 players for kicking ie surely it's not difficult to get 1 person to kick fg's and punt. ( Remeber we have rugby over here where 1 guy does it all, punts, goal kicking and also drop goals. )

I'm not saying where i stand on this, but i'd love to know what y'all think. I mean just suppose we didn't need a spot for a long snapper, and only 1 for a kicker/punter, that would open up 2 more spots on the roster.......

discuss........

BlitzburghRockCity
08-14-2007, 09:05 PM
As far as long snappers go, just about every team has a specialist of this category. This way they can work with the punter, holder, and kicker exclusively. If you ask your regular center to do it there's no way he can develop a rapport and get on the same page with the ST unit as a whole not to mention the holder and punter because he's too busy working with the offense all the time. Long snapper is a crucial position that you really need to have a specialist for when possible. :imho:

As far as the kick and punter, I do also believe you need a position for each mainly because it's such an art. Punting is all about control and direction. You can have the biggest leg in the world but if you can't place it inside the 15 or 10 yd line or in the "coffin corner" then you aren't worth near as much as someone who can.

With a kicker, well it's all about the leg and direction. You have to know how to kick in every situation, how to compensate for wind and poor field positions, etc. There's really no way around it and still be confident in your kicking game if you ask the same guy to punt and kick unless it's in an emergency situation.

steelcurtain09
08-14-2007, 10:06 PM
:iagree: wit TG

remember the disaster tht was Michael Koenen of the Falcons last year?

he was their punter for a year and they tried him on long distance kicks in 2005. he went 1 for 2 so last year they attempted to use him as both their kicker and punter.
lets see how tht went...

he went a horrible 3 for 9 before they replaced him with the ageless wonder Morten Andersen

AZ_Steeler
08-15-2007, 12:44 PM
I think SC09 nailed this on the head with the Falcons example. It's been tried and failed, so why keep trying unless you have a Lebron James type that comes into the league and wants to punt/FG/kickoff and has proven that he is capable of such a task. Having one person handle FG/Kickoffs is normal because it's really the same type of kick, where as punting the ball is completely different. Specializing in one area is the way to go because it gives that person time to work on his only assignment rather than a little here and a little there and then turning out to be mediocre.

K Train
08-17-2007, 03:52 PM
D-sep could do it all

:markit:

Blitzburghpete
08-17-2007, 04:44 PM
RIGHT!!!

Now you all need to watch this, and i want you to watch what Johnny Wilkison does.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sida9mqSMh4

OK were you watching carefully, now watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7rPSQmkonI

By the time you watch this second video you should have spotted the difference in the first 10 seconds.... so did you spot it?






Yes thats right Jonny wilkinson in the first video wins the Rugby world cup with a drop goal with his RIGHT foot, yet in the 1st 10 seconds of the second video he drop goal kicks with his LEFT foot.

He is naturally left footed but has taught himself how to kick with his right, and on his wrong foot, under imense pressure kicked the winning points to win the world cup for england off his wrong foot.
I read his biography and he said he taught himself to be able to kick off both.
I can't find a video of soe of his clearing kicks, which i would guarentee would put most punters to shame in their distance accuracy and hang time in the nfl.

OH and then he can also hit like a linebacker too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tAi0nnz2Bo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rOysmte-o4


NOW

are you really telling me a kicker can't learn to punt or vice versa when week in week out in rugby one man does the clearing kicks ( punts ) accurate crossfield kicks like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRCKL8Oqddg

and place kicking?


I think my message is i think it CAN be done at a high level that 1 man can punt and kick, don't even get me on to you need a specially trained snapper...

and just for fun

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMeF2vSug30

AND FINALLY

this is fun

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfpm7FrdQyI

K Train
08-17-2007, 05:28 PM
dude, this isnt rugby lol

Black@Gold Forever32
08-17-2007, 05:32 PM
D-sep could do it all

:markit:

I think the Steelers should let D-Sep work on his field goal kicking....So Sep could be punter/kicker/kickoff specialist.........Plus we could ditch Jeff Reed.....:lol: Reed is ok but I think the Steelers could do better.......I don't know if Sep could get field goals....He has the length strength for sure....

K Train
08-17-2007, 05:35 PM
youd think he could be a beast at kickoff though, maybe not field goals, but he could boom kick offs

Black@Gold Forever32
08-17-2007, 05:44 PM
Reed sucks *** at kick offs....So hopefully soon D-Sep could take over on kick offs....

Friday133
08-17-2007, 10:28 PM
What would the benefit be of having one or two extra roster spots? So we can keep a couple of scrubs? What happens if a kicker gets hurt during the game? Wouldn't it make sense to have someone on the roster that could cover an emergency situation. Good questions, but football isn't rugby.

Blitzburghpete
08-18-2007, 04:38 AM
LOL, yeah i know rugby isn't football, and opening myself up for riducule etc etc but anyone who has played both sports to a fairly good standard ( me ) so know what's involved for both roles find it hard to understand why one person can't be trained to do two jobs, when in one sport you have 1 man to do it, the other 2 or 3 to do basically the same job, which whatever way you look at it is kicking the ball!!!

Just putting this question out their to get you all to have a think but realize i'm just really :banging:

:lol::lol::lol:

anywho

The questions of why bother well, i tried getting our roster down to 53 the other day and couldn't fit some players in i wanted yet through gtitted teeth
had to put down LS Greg Warren ......
and if i really wanted to be ruthless i wondered if the kicking could be 1 persons job to fit another player in.

mmmmm

Ok next question then....LOL

When do you think that a non US player becomes a QB in the NFL...???

K Train
08-18-2007, 10:13 AM
well the eagles have an austrailian punter....thats a start lol