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Hawk Believer
05-17-2007, 07:27 PM
What do you think? Did the NBA overstep its bounds by suspending two Suns for stepping on a court but not participating in a fight? Should Horry have been given a longer suspension? I bet I know how Koopa votes....

Koopa
05-17-2007, 08:43 PM
:lol: i know it probably won't mean much coming from me, but rules are rules, amare and diaw shouldn't have left the bench, i know amare grew up in a broken home and was to stupid to get into college which forced him to go to the league early but he needs to grow up and stay on the bench when **** happens

nash was a little faggot, he made it look much worse then it was, horry barely bumped him, the nash falls, and then like a second later throws his arms back and then makes a hurt face look

but horry got what he deserved cause he shouldn't have threw his forearms and raja (who by the way is one of the dirty players in the league, remember his clothes line on kobe last year??)

so **** amare, i lost a lot of respect for him, if the suns had won the series (i'm not saying they are done) i was gonna root for them, but after this series i hope they lose in the finals lol........... i can't stand ppl that whine to the media, amare is a bitch

K Train
05-17-2007, 08:46 PM
i think it shouldve been worse....the suns are gay lol

AZ_Steeler
05-17-2007, 08:59 PM
:lol: i know it probably won't mean much coming from me, but rules are rules, amare and diaw shouldn't have left the bench, i know amare grew up in a broken home and was to stupid to get into college which forced him to go to the league early but he needs to grow up and stay on the bench when **** happens

nash was a little faggot, he made it look much worse then it was, horry barely bumped him, the nash falls, and then like a second later throws his arms back and then makes a hurt face look

but horry got what he deserved cause he shouldn't have threw his forearms and raja (who by the way is one of the dirty players in the league, remember his clothes line on kobe last year??)

so **** amare, i lost a lot of respect for him, if the suns had won the series (i'm not saying they are done) i was gonna root for them, but after this series i hope they lose in the finals lol........... i can't stand ppl that whine to the media, amare is a bitch
Let's not forget about Duncan flying up off the bench and onto the court earlier in the game! The rule states if a player leaves the bench and comes onto the court during an altercation it's an automatic one game suspension. Why wasn't Duncan benched for a game as well? Don't give me that crap like every other Spurs fan has been saying "Duncan was going to check on his player to make sure he was alright!"
:bsflag:

I think Duncan is bobbing his head on good ole Stern up in his big ole office!

Koopa
05-17-2007, 09:00 PM
Let's not forget about Duncan flying up off the bench and onto the court earlier in the game! The rule states if a player leaves the bench and comes onto the court during an altercation it's an automatic one game suspension. Why wasn't Duncan benched for a game as well? Don't give me that crap like every other Spurs fan has been saying "Duncam was going to check on his player to make sure he was alright!" :bsflag:

there was no altercation when duncan jumped up, elson got flipped over by jones, jones ran back on offense and elson was just getting up, so there was no altercation

AZ_Steeler
05-17-2007, 09:03 PM
Duncan came on to the court and had to be held back, rules are rules unless of course you're a Spur and your name is Duncan :dunno:

The "altercation" at the end should been overlooked in my book. There were no punches thrown, players weren't grabbing each other. It's really a bunch of bullshit and is going to suck if that ultimately decides the series, because everyone know the Suns were going to win the series anyways!

Koopa
05-17-2007, 09:05 PM
Duncan came on to the court and had to be held back, rules are rules unless of course you're a Spur and your name is Duncan :dunno:

The "altercation" at the end should been overlooked in my book. There were no punches thrown, players weren't grabbing each other. It's really a bunch of bullshit and is going to suck if that ultimately decides the series, because everyone know the Suns were going to win the series anyways!

but duncan came on when there was no altercation, and the rules say when there is an altercation, not whenever..............

and raja kept going at horry and horry threw a forearm, so that was an altercation........

AZ_Steeler
05-17-2007, 09:09 PM
define altercation? The NBA can't even define it and the ultimate deciding is based off of how Stern see's it. Something triggered Duncan to come onto the court, which could, since there is no definition, be defined as an altercation.

BlacknGold Bleeder
05-17-2007, 09:10 PM
:popcorn2: :girlfight: :popcorn:

K Train
05-17-2007, 09:11 PM
i really doubt its because hes tim duncan.....didnt stern just eject him from a game for laughing? Why cant the refs judgement be the final say? oh yeah it already is

BlitzburghRockCity
05-17-2007, 09:14 PM
David Stern was on ESPNRadio stating how he doesn't like the suspension rule in this particular case but that they had to enforce it because it's the current rule..they'll look into changing it in the offseason.

AZ_Steeler
05-17-2007, 09:14 PM
Explain how a big man in the paint all night long averages only 2.5 fouls a game all season long?

Black@Gold Forever32
05-17-2007, 09:29 PM
Where is Joey Crawford when you need him?lol He and Tim Duncan are best friends.lol I hate both the Suns and Spurs.lol So I could careless who wins.

I can't stand Nash or Duncan either. They're both great players don't get me wrong. I just don't like them.

AZ_Steeler
05-17-2007, 09:36 PM
What's the deal... nobody wants to talk about this with me :dunno: I'm not trying to get into a knock down drag em out fight... it's just rules are rules, but it sucks when the judgment is left to one person, :imho:

AZ_Steeler
05-17-2007, 09:41 PM
What do I need to do... remove my titles :lol: I haven't had a good debate in a long time!

BlitzburghRockCity
05-17-2007, 09:43 PM
I can't debate you or you know I would but in this case I agree with ya :lol:

Koopa
05-17-2007, 10:06 PM
there's no debate, duncan didn't come off the bench during an altercation, there was no shoving, there was no eye balling, there was no yelling, elson was just going back on defense not even staring at jones


amare and diaw came out when horry and nash where shoving a little and when horry gave raja a forearm......which is considered an altercation.........so therefore they got what they should've

i'm not saying i like the rule, but rules are rules, and i'm proud of stern not bending them for a superstar...........

AZ_Steeler
05-17-2007, 10:12 PM
:lol: Remove the Spur blinders man! You can't see or think straight right now!

Koopa
05-17-2007, 10:14 PM
:lol: Remove the Spur blinders man! You can't see or think straight right now!

what blinders, where did you see an altercation, maybe you should remove your sun blinders

if there was an altercation there i would've said ok, but there was a potential fight when amare and diaw ran off the bench

there was no fight going to happen with elson, cause he's a faggot

Steelerlyn
05-17-2007, 10:16 PM
What do I need to do... remove my titles :lol: I haven't had a good debate in a long time!

I don't think your title has anything to do with anything. Having said that, let's stay focused on the issue at hand.

The rule was broken, so most definitely some sort of discipline was called for and it was handed out, rightfully so. In pro sports (or little league, elementary, jv, hs and college) when a rule is broken one can not allow themself to agree that no discipline should be handed out because the player was right. He may be right but what he did is against all rules in the NBA. The NBA, NFL, MLB, NHL or any of them, need to repeal rules that are not working out, in the offseason. Once a rule is handed down, it is mandatory for a ref to follow up on it, the ref did exactly as he was suppose to and well, that is that. All NBA fans need to quit whining, fix it in the offseason, there are probably a ton of rules in various sports that people think should be gone. I think in a playoff game there should be no rules, let 'em play, I figure they have earned that right, but I also know I am in the minority. I think some of the NCAA rules are stupid, but they are the rules. They don't have to be right, they are the rule.

okiesteeler
05-17-2007, 10:32 PM
I agree with the suspensions but think duncan should be out also

Prosdo
05-17-2007, 10:32 PM
Damn I missed that game. I need to go find some video clips.

Koopa
05-17-2007, 10:34 PM
why is that??? can you show me where the altercation was?? i didn't see no shoving or anyone about to fight when duncan left the bench.........so saying he should too is kinda dumb since there was no altercation.......i think the suns medias witch hunt has got y'alls minds in a fog cause there was no altercation when duncan jumped up

Koopa
05-17-2007, 10:36 PM
here's some footage, just got to fastforward to about 25 seconds............ there is no altercations

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb1T89Xw9kc


steve kerr is a ****ing dumbass, they were not about to get into it, jones went to the other side of the court and elson didn't even look at him he just went to go guard his man..........

Prosdo
05-17-2007, 10:45 PM
Okay after watching the clip and if the rule is stated how Koopa said then I have to side with him. When Duncan stepped on the court there was no altercation. Now on the other incident it is a completely different story.

AZ_Steeler
05-17-2007, 10:46 PM
You're a Dallas fan! :lol:

Prosdo
05-17-2007, 10:51 PM
Exactly so I don't like the Spurs or the Suns lol

AZ_Steeler
05-17-2007, 10:54 PM
Usually when you think of an altercation you think, a fight, pushing, shoving, maybe even some fist throwing... There is the argument that Amare and Boris were was not triggered to leave the bench to join an altercation in this situation, because what happened on the court (Horry's hip-check of Nash) was not really an altercation. It all comes down to what is considered an altercation which will more than likely be defined this summer because as it stands now it's open to interpretation and not everyone sees the same thing.

Prosdo
05-17-2007, 11:01 PM
The way I look at it. After the foul they started charging toward each other. Then there was some pushing and shoving.

Hawk Believer
05-18-2007, 12:49 AM
Hadn't there just been a really hard foul and two players were staring eachother down when Duncan went on the court? Why did he go on the court anyway? Rules are rule, but there is a lot of room for interpretation. Some people are more equal than others in the NBA. Micheal Jordan never fouled out because it didn't serve the league to make that happen. There are rules against traveling but its obviously not enforced, at least for the guys with the big contracts.

It just seems wierd that the Suns get two guys kicked out for a game for steping over a line and not doing a single thing to escalate the situation and Horry gets only 2 for flagrantly going after a dude.

Koopa
05-18-2007, 12:56 AM
Hadn't there just been a really hard foul and two players were staring eachother down when Duncan went on the court? Why did he go on the court anyway? Rules are rule, but there is a lot of room for interpretation. Some people are more equal than others in the NBA. Micheal Jordan never fouled out because it didn't serve the league to make that happen. There are rules against traveling but its obviously not enforced, at least for the guys with the big contracts.

It just seems wierd that the Suns get two guys kicked out for a game for steping over a line and not doing a single thing to escalate the situation and Horry gets only 2 for flagrantly going after a dude.

no, watch the link, it's not even a foul when tim gets up, that's why tim got up, he was being his whiny self and complaining that jones just flipped elson after a dunk.......but he didn't stand up cause there was an altercation, elson just got up and ran back to defense didn't even look jones way

TEEMONT
05-18-2007, 01:02 AM
It's a crappy rule, but it is still a rule.....I voted that the punishment sucked, b/c the rule needs to change.

Hawk Believer
05-18-2007, 01:04 AM
The following video shows definatively that Stoudamire was on the court to go check on Nash after the play was dead. A fight starts after he is already out there. Seems like plenty of wiggle room if the NBA didn't want to throw the series in one direction.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qopfUzvGgMo


They seemed to find some of that wiggle room in the situation described below...

Steve Kerr wrote in Yahoo Sports:

"In a play that went entirely unnoticed until well after the game was over, both Duncan and Bowen actually left San Antonio's bench early in the second quarter after Francisco Elson and James Jones were entangled. Replays clearly show Duncan walking several steps onto the court as Elson and Jones appeared to be ready to get into it. Bowen then followed Duncan onto the floor, grabbed him and led him back to the bench. If the league does indeed follow the letter of the law, both Spurs players would also be suspended for Game 5." (more)

Hawk Believer
05-18-2007, 01:11 AM
no, watch the link, it's not even a foul when tim gets up, that's why tim got up, he was being his whiny self and complaining that jones just flipped elson after a dunk.......but he didn't stand up cause there was an altercation, elson just got up and ran back to defense didn't even look jones way

But what motivated Duncan to go out there. The dudes were staring at eachother and posturing. Duncan hadn't checked in. Its pretty hard ot imagine any other rason he went out there other than he thought things were about to escalate into a fight after that foul.

Stoudamire on the other hand was going out to check his teammate who had just been laid out and was not heading in the direction of any Spur before a fight broke out and then he only did things to de-escalate the fight.

Koopa
05-18-2007, 01:17 AM
But what motivated Duncan to go out there. The dudes were staring at eachother and posturing. Duncan hadn't checked in. Its pretty hard ot imagine any other rason he went out there other than he thought things were about to escalate into a fight after that foul.

Stoudamire on the other hand was going out to check his teammate who had just been laid out and was not heading in the direction of any Spur before a fight broke out and then he only did things to de-escalate the fight.

no they weren't, look at the youtube link i posted, elson was not even looking at jones, he got up an ran and the ref went to him elson held up his hands like i ain't doing **** and went straight to the guy he was guarding

duncan is just a cry baby and wanted that to be a foul........ amare ran out there to help just in case there was a fight, he might've been going to play peace maker or he might've been going to stephen jackson someone............ he broke the altercation rule, duncan didn't plain and simple

is it a stupid rule yeah, but it's still a rule

Hawk Believer
05-18-2007, 01:25 AM
That video cuts away to a tight shot away from the action. I have heard a lot of people say they were in a stare down during those moments. But maybe they were just seeing what they wanted to see. I wish there was a link that showed the whole episode.

So I guess the strategic thing to from now on would be as follows: If good player from the rival team is off the bench and on the court during a deadball, a lesser player should shove someone so the rival player will be suspended. Trade a pawn for a bishop... Lame.

Koopa
05-18-2007, 01:33 AM
but there was no altercation, and tim got up to complain like he always does, he didn't go out to fight......amare ran out like a mad man, all tim did was get up and start complaining............

Hawk Believer
05-18-2007, 01:42 AM
Amare ran out but not to fight. That video shows the fight started after he was out.

So like I said, the next time Duncan steps out to complain, the Suns 12th man should shove a Spur and Duncan would be out the next game. I guess they'd better do it in game 6. (I am not being serious, its just the whole thing seem ludicrous)

I will make a point of watching the next game. Should be pretty intense.