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strong D
04-06-2007, 09:08 AM
Just wanted to hear some other peoples input on drafting patrick willis with our first round pick i believe he is going to be a beast on the inside a lot like urlacher im not to up on drafting a cb in the first we can add depth in the later rounds im one who thinks taylor bounces back and has a great season

K Train
04-06-2007, 11:16 AM
no simply because hes not a pass rusher and we are set at MLB alot more than we are OLB....if we wanted help in the middles, buster davis would be a good mid round option maybe

steelcitysfinestXL
04-06-2007, 02:40 PM
no simply because hes not a pass rusher and we are set at MLB alot more than we are OLB....if we wanted help in the middles, buster davis would be a good mid round option maybe

:plus1: Davis is out of FSU right??? Yeah he was a beast but i would say Puz for the middle, that we dont need. What do you guys think about taking Tim Shaw OLB from PSU, not for the first or second, but maybe a lil further down the line in the draft for depth and ST's??? He is speedy, and a pretty damn good blitzer from the outside and he's a hometown boy!?!?!

Black@Gold Forever32
04-06-2007, 02:47 PM
no simply because hes not a pass rusher and we are set at MLB alot more than we are OLB....if we wanted help in the middles, buster davis would be a good mid round option maybe

How about Willis on the 1st and Woodley in the 2nd? Lets face it James Farrior isn't getting any younger.:bluelol: Plus Rian Wallace is still an unknown. So there isn't alot of depth at MLB either.

Koopa
04-06-2007, 02:57 PM
if patrick willis is there then you get him, he's the best lineback in the draft, no need to reach for an OLB in the first when you can get a pretty good one in the second..........

K Train
04-06-2007, 03:13 PM
i dont think willis is that great :dunno:

Koopa
04-06-2007, 03:20 PM
i dont think willis is that great :dunno:

that's because your mind set in on a OLB and it's blocking you from actually looking at the other talent........... he's the best lb in the draft......... we can get a good OLB in the second round.......... our MLB depth isn't all that great, and farrior isn't getting any younger

willis >>>>>>>>> any first round OLB

K Train
04-06-2007, 03:23 PM
farrior isnt getting younger but hes still a ****ing beast...i mean willis could play inside because farrior can play outside as well, i just dont see how willis>>>>>>>>>>>>>everyone else, because i think Adams and timmons are just as good if not better and they are what we are looking for.

**** willis


EDIT: Adams is better than every defensive player in the draft

Black@Gold Forever32
04-06-2007, 03:27 PM
farrior isnt getting younger but hes still a ****ing beast...i mean willis could play inside because farrior can play outside as well, i just dont see how willis>>>>>>>>>>>>>everyone else, because i think Adams and timmons are just as good if not better and they are what we are looking for.

**** willis

Did I say Farrior wasn't any good? No I didn't but his age could start to catch up to him at anytime so it would be nice to have some young talent at the ILB spot to. I'm not saying drafting Willis is a must but if he is the best available player at 15 it wouldn't be a bad idea.

Come on Train just trying to have a good conversation without the Fbombs all the time.:bluelol:

Black@Gold Forever32
04-06-2007, 03:28 PM
Oh and I agree totally Adams is the best defensive player in this draft.

K Train
04-06-2007, 03:28 PM
Did I say Farrior wasn't any good? No I didn't but his age could start to catch up to him at anytime so it would be nice to have some young talent at the ILB spot to. I'm not saying drafting Willis is a must but if he is the best available player at 15 it wouldn't be a bad idea.

Come on Train just trying to have a good conversation without the Fbombs all the time.:bluelol:

lol i was talking to koopa....sorry

Black@Gold Forever32
04-06-2007, 03:29 PM
lol i was talking to koopa....sorry

Just joking with you bro.:bigthumb:

K Train
04-06-2007, 03:30 PM
im just saying, we dont want to take Willis in the first because hes there and end up with Quentin Moses in the second because we need an OLB and hes all thats left

Black@Gold Forever32
04-06-2007, 03:31 PM
im just saying, we dont want to take Willis in the first because hes there and end up with Quentin Moses in the second because we need an OLB and hes all thats left

Thats why I mentioned Willis in the first and Woodley in the second. I'm with you I don't want Moses at all so **** Moses.:bluelol::bigthumb:

Koopa
04-06-2007, 03:31 PM
farrior isnt getting younger but hes still a ****ing beast...i mean willis could play inside because farrior can play outside as well, i just dont see how willis>>>>>>>>>>>>>everyone else, because i think Adams and timmons are just as good if not better and they are what we are looking for.

**** willis


EDIT: Adams is better than every defensive player in the draft

ok, adams is a DE he can play OLB, but he's a DE and will play DE for the team that drafts him early...............

also, i wasn't bringing him up because well he's impossible to get so no point in bringing him up........i was basically saying he's better then the other lb prospects available to us at 15

timmons isn't better then willis........... you just see OLB next to timmons and think he's better.......... also willis could play outside too, he's athletic enough to do and be productive..............

Black@Gold Forever32
04-06-2007, 03:33 PM
ok, adams is a DE he can play OLB, but he's a DE and will play DE for the team that drafts him early...............

also, i wasn't bringing him up because well he's impossible to get so no point in bringing him up........i was basically saying he's better then the other lb prospects available to us at 15

timmons isn't better then willis........... you just see OLB next to timmons and think he's better.......... also willis could play outside too, he's athletic enough to do and be productive..............

I think Willis can be an explosive pass rusher like Kendrell Bell was before Bell became injury prone and turned into a pussy. Plus Bell was an ILB just like Willis is.

K Train
04-06-2007, 03:34 PM
you just see OLB next to timmons and think he's better.

see, thats not how it is, ive seen both guys play and read up on both of them, i think Timmons would fit better in our system, Willis is good, but he is more of a LB the eagles would look for imo

K Train
04-06-2007, 03:37 PM
Strengths:
A very good athlete...Has excellent instincts...Good speed and quickness with the range to go sideline-to-sideline...A big hitter and reliable tackler...Is strong and powerful...Was extremely productive...Versatile and could conceivably play either inside or outside...Good pass rusher on blitzes...Tough guy who will do whatever it takes to get on the field...Hard worker and a leader with top-notch intangibles.

Weaknesses:
Moves well and is adequate in coverage but nothing special and he can still stand to improve in that area...Needs to bulk up and get a little bigger...Plays too high at times...Gets overwhelmed by massive blockers...Has some durability concerns.

i guess he could be an option....i dunno, i dont think were that interested in him

K Train
04-06-2007, 03:39 PM
that was willis, heres timmon....more impressive if you ask me :dunno:
Strengths:
Outstanding natural athlete...Great speed and quickness...Explosive with a burst to close...Has the frame to get add weight and he plays big...An outstanding pass rusher...Has fluid hips and is excellent in coverage...Versatile and could play in a 4-3 or 3-4 scheme...Vicious hitter and tackler...Has sideline-to-sideline range...Is physical and aggressive...A playmaker who is always around the ball...Still has a ton of potential and there is really no telling just how good he may ultimately be.

Weaknesses:
Has only one year of starting experience...Raw and needs work from a technique standpoint...Has some trouble shedding blocks and he doesn't use his hands all that well...May lack ideal instincts and awareness due to inexperience...Needs to continue bulking up and getting stronger...Will get by on his athleticism at times.

Notes:
Was overshadowed by the likes of Ernie Sims, Buster Davis and A.J. Nicholson for most of his college career...Finally got a chance to start in '06 and made the most of the opportunity...Rare physical specimen who just might eventually be a better player than Sims, a former #9 overall pick...Upside is the key word because he is not a finished product but if he lives up to that promise this guy could be special.

Black@Gold Forever32
04-06-2007, 03:42 PM
Train I'm not disagreeing at all that Timmons wouldn't be a good pick also. Just saying Willis is a very good player as well and he would be a good pick to. I know he is an ILB but so was Kendrell Bell and Bell was a very good blitzer his first couple years with the Steelers. I think Willis is alot like Bell. Just my opinion. I agree OLB is the bigger need but if Willis was drafted by the Steelers then I wouldn't be upset at all by that move. We LB depth period.

K Train
04-06-2007, 03:46 PM
yeah i hear ya, i wouldnt be upset...but i would prefer Timmons, not because of the OLB tag thats on him....just read and you understand why, both are great players and could essentially play inside or outside. but imo,

Timmons>>>>Willis, not by a ton, but just read and compare

Koopa
04-06-2007, 03:49 PM
yeah i hear ya, i wouldnt be upset...but i would prefer Timmons, not because of the OLB tag thats on him....just read and you understand why, both are great players and could essentially play inside or outside. but imo,

Timmons>>>>Willis, not by a ton, but just read and compare

you can't really read and compare because they are scouted in different areas

look at the stats, timmons only has 2 more sacks on him, and willis has a million more tackles :lol:

Koopa
04-06-2007, 03:53 PM
After a year backing up as a freshman, Willis began to emerge as one of college football’s best linebackers. As a sophomore in 2004, he finished the year with 70 tackles, 11 for loss, and five sacks. When Ed Orgeron took over in 2005, it allowed Willis to be free to make more plays, and he came through with 128 tackles, 9.5 for loss, with three sacks on his way to All American honors. He did it once again as a senior, this time earning the Butkus Award and SEC Defensive Player of the Year honors after posting 137 tackles, 11.5 for loss, and three sacks.

Patrick Willis is the complete package at linebacker. He has the toughness, instincts, and run stopping ability to play inside, but the athleticism, speed, and cover ability to play outside. He is quick to react to the play, and flies to the ball carrier with authority. Willis also shows the ability to play in space and read the quarterback, and the cover ability to stick with backs and tight ends. He is a mature football player, and a team leader.

The only real question with Willis is that he may need to get a little bigger to play inside at the next level. While he is not small, he will need more bulk on his frame to take on blockers and withstand the beating he will take in the NFL.

Patrick Willis is a standout linebacker, and could be a pro bowler in the NFL for many years. He has an excellent shot at landing in the Top 20, and with good workouts, could be the first linebacker selected.

also don't get me wrong, i wouldn't mind timmons at all, i'm just saying if willis is there i wouldn't mind taking him first either, i think willis might be gone though...........


timmons


Timmons did not see much action as a freshman, but became Ernie Sims’ primary backup as a sophomore, and contributed 35 tackles, 3.5 for loss, and three sacks on the year. With Sims moving on, Timmons had his time to shine, and he took full advantage of it. As a junior, he had 79 tackles, 18 for loss, five sacks, and an interception.

Playmaker is the best word that describes Timmons as a player. Whether he is attacking the line of scrimmage, rushing the passer, or dropping into coverage, he has shown the ability to make big plays in all facets of the game. He’s an excellent athlete that plays with big time intensity. He is aggressive on the field and flies all over the place to make plays. Timmons is a very good athlete that can really run.

Timmons has a lean frame and will have to pack on more weight at the next level. His lack of bulk can give him some problems getting off blocks and bringing down bigger backs and tight ends in the open field. Sometimes he is too aggressive and will run himself out of plays as a result.

Lawrence Timmons has a ton of upside at the next level. He only has one year of starting experience, and is not a finished product. He is still a very good player right now, who could wreak havoc on the weakside in the NFL. He has the physical talent to really climb in the post season, and the first round could be his ultimate destination.

K Train
04-06-2007, 03:55 PM
ok, but just the way the describe them

Willis is a reliable tackler....timmons is a vicious tackler
willis is good in pass rushing....timmons is explosive and an excellent blitzer
both have great instints and ar sideline to sideline players
Willis has adequate civerage but nothing special....timmons has fluid hips and is excellent in coverage


it just sounds like timmons is a winner

Koopa
04-06-2007, 03:58 PM
ok, but just the way the describe them

Willis is a reliable tackler....timmons is a vicious tackler
willis is good in pass rushing....timmons is explosive and an excellent blitzer
both have great instints and ar sideline to sideline players
Willis has adequate civerage but nothing special....timmons has fluid hips and is excellent in coverage


it just sounds like timmons is a winner

it also says timmons plays to aggressive and runs him self out of plays, i rather have a sure tackle then a jacked up highlight guy that might miss tackles trying to hard......... they are both good players, but i rather have willis if there, if not then i rather have the best OLB prospect

K Train
04-06-2007, 04:00 PM
it also says timmons plays to aggressive and runs him self out of plays, i rather have a sure tackle then a jacked up highlight guy that might miss tackles trying to hard.
troy does the same ****, i dont have any complaints about him lol

WTF!!!!! can we just get the draft over with!!!!!!!!!!

Koopa
04-06-2007, 04:07 PM
troy does the same ****, i dont have any complaints about him lol

WTF!!!!! can we just get the draft over with!!!!!!!!!!

and that pisses me off beyond belief, i ****ing hate when troy goes in for the sure tackle but he wants to be retarded and ****ing misses like a dick head lol............ **** a highlight reel is what i say, play smart, play hard, go for the for sure tackles not the espn tackles.......


i like the pointless arguing about players that would be good no matter who came here lol

K Train
04-06-2007, 04:08 PM
lol its not like were arguing about scrubs, both of these guys are gonna be superstars.....damn the offseason lol

BB2W
04-06-2007, 05:37 PM
Willis can definitely run and hit with the best of them, but there are some other linebackers I would rather have. :2cents:

K Train
04-06-2007, 06:00 PM
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strong D
04-09-2007, 07:09 AM
I was just thinking if we went to a 4-3 we will need a beaast on the inside but we do need a pass rushing olb but remember we did sign 2 lbs this offseason maybe that plays into the draft just maybe we go cb or wr with the first pick i really hope not

rainman
04-09-2007, 10:14 AM
imo we will take a wr in the 1st round

House of Steel
04-09-2007, 10:19 AM
Why in the hell would we take a WR in the First Round, we did that last year with Santonio Holmes. Rainman, we are loaded at WR, hell we got a TE that is a damn dangerous receiver if these stupid coaches would work to his potentials. We got weapons all over that offense. We DEFINITELY don't need a receiver in the first round.

Koopa
04-09-2007, 03:58 PM
I was just thinking if we went to a 4-3 we will need a beaast on the inside but we do need a pass rushing olb but remember we did sign 2 lbs this offseason maybe that plays into the draft just maybe we go cb or wr with the first pick i really hope not

there's no if, tomlin and colbert have already said straight up that they are committed to the 3-4