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K Train
03-27-2007, 09:27 PM
anyone have any thoughts on him? i dont think he'll be taken 1st, i would actually think mid first at best, and i also think troy smith is better than him. it just seems that all mocks have him going 1st and i just dont see it :dunno: , its based on his sugarbowl game, against a WAY OVERRATED notre dame team with a sorry defense. I think Quinn and Smith are the top 2 this year, although this guy seems like a "raider" im just not convinced hes 1st pick material, and im not so sure the raiders do either.

Calvin Johnson is the only player who deserves to be taken 1st this year imo, but who knows, bush was the one who deserved it last year :dunno:

Koopa
03-27-2007, 09:47 PM
ok, you are no longer allowed to every post again, i'm taking your rights away :lol:

troy smith ****ing sucks......... he is probably the most overrated player ever :lol: he's a ****ing choke artist, a ****ing starting qb has 4 total yards on offense in the biggest game of his life.......he is garbage, he's a lifetime clip board holder

on the other hand, russell stepped up in the biggest game of his life........

overall this is a weak qb year, quinn will get attention cause of where he played and who he played for................. russell will be top 5 just based on the fact that this years qb group sucks.........

also, OSU plays in a weak conference which made smith look good this year

BlackGold4vr
03-27-2007, 09:48 PM
There are still a couple free agent quarterbacks out there who could potentially alter the entire draft board. David Carr, Trent Green. If one of these top teams like the Raiders sign David Carr, that changes the entire board. The Raiders could then sign Calvin Johnson and that has a domino effect all the way down the draft board. Jemarcus Russell does have game. He can really throw the ball. Will he make it in the NFL? Remains to be seen but he can zip that ball. :clap:

K Train
03-27-2007, 09:54 PM
lol troy smith doesnt suck, OSU got raped in general, there was nothing he could do, and having there best WR killed by there own teamates 10 second in was a huge blow to team moral. He did good at the senior bowl which isnt easy for a QB to do. Smith has a good arm and was solid throughout his college career despite one of the biggest chokes in the history of sports (it was a team effort). You just hate OSU lol. *Smith will be a decent QB, hes like a Mcnabb/Brees mix.

*note: He will be a decent QB pending he doesnt go to the browns early in the second round, which is where i have him going at this point lol.

your feelings wouldnt happen to have anything to do with that early season massacre of the #2 ranked horns would it lol

Koopa
03-27-2007, 10:01 PM
lol troy smith doesnt suck, OSU got raped in general, there was nothing he could do, and having there best WR killed by there own teamates 10 second in was a huge blow to team moral. He did good at the senior bowl which isnt easy for a QB to do. Smith has a good arm and was solid throughout his college career despite one of the biggest chokes in the history of sports (it was a team effort). You just hate OSU lol. *Smith will be a decent QB, hes like a Mcnabb/Brees mix.

*note: He will be a decent QB pending he doesnt go to the browns early in the second round, which is where i have him going at this point lol.

your feelings wouldnt happen to have anything to do with that early season massacre of the #2 ranked horns would it lol

oh no, he sucks, he played in a weak *** conference that made him look good, he is never gonna amount to anything in the nfl............. what we saw against florida is the real troy cause that's the first real team they actually played............

all the qb's this year suck and ain't the answer for any team but

russell >>>>>>> troy smith

quinn>>>>>>>>> troy smith

troy couldn't even get double digit yards...........

K Train
03-27-2007, 10:13 PM
troy couldn't even get double digit yards...........

lmao....

DIESELMAN
03-27-2007, 10:15 PM
Russell came to the combine 10 lbs. overweight. He showed up at pro day 10 lbs. lighter and he was on the money. Hes got the size and the arm to make it in the NFL. IMO, Russell's chances are better then Troy Smith's.

K Train
03-27-2007, 10:22 PM
ok well i see where your going, mabey i just like smith, i think he could succeed, but im not guaranteeing it. But do you think jamarcus should go first, hes not really the Vince young or Matt leinart of this year, like koop said this QB class kinda blows.

Koopa
03-27-2007, 10:27 PM
ok well i see where your going, mabey i just like smith, i think he could succeed, but im not guaranteeing it. But do you think jamarcus should go first, hes not really the Vince young or Matt leinart of this year, like koop said this QB class kinda blows.

i think calvin johnson should go first, he's a freak of nature......he's gonna make any team he goes to better........... he's t.o. and moss in one.......and he doesn't have the attitude they have, and he has a great work ethic........ so he's gonna be a scary player, i hope he goes to the nfc so we don't see him much lol...........

russell has more potential then any qb in the draft, quinn is who he is, beats up on the weak doesn't show up in big games........... russell should go to the lions and sit a year or two behind kitna............

Blitzburgh55
03-27-2007, 10:30 PM
I think Russel will be a All-Pro QB if he can get to a good team and Quinn will be the next Ryan Leaf and Troy Smith will never start a game

Black@Gold Forever32
03-27-2007, 10:39 PM
i think calvin johnson should go first, he's a freak of nature......he's gonna make any team he goes to better........... he's t.o. and moss in one.......and he doesn't have the attitude they have, and he has a great work ethic........ so he's gonna be a scary player, i hope he goes to the nfc so we don't see him much lol...........

russell has more potential then any qb in the draft, quinn is who he is, beats up on the weak doesn't show up in big games........... russell should go to the lions and sit a year or two behind kitna............

I'm with you Koopa Calvin Johnson should go first. This dude is the can't miss prospect of this draft. But the Raiders need a QB not unless they want to go into next year with Andrew ****ing Walter.:bluelol: But like 4ver said they could sign David Carr. But if not I would imagine then Russell would be the pick. The Raiders need a QB bigtime. Ok the Raiders need just more then a QB. But I can't see them going into next season with Andrew Walter as their best QB again.lol

As for Troy Smith I don't think he has much upside in the NFL. You never know but in my opinion I don't see him as an NFL starting QB. Maybe he can develop into a backup QB at the NFL level?

DIESELMAN
03-27-2007, 10:40 PM
If it was any other team then Oakland with the first pick I would say Calvin Johnson goes #1, like Koop said hes a freak of nature. BlackGold4vr brought up a good point too, if the Raiders sign a FA QB like Carr, then johnson could go #1 to the Raiders. As long as Oakland doesn't have a legit starting QB, it looks to me like Russell will be the #1 pick this year.

K Train
03-27-2007, 10:44 PM
calvin johnson ran a 4.3 in sneakers lol, he made himslef a combine legend, someone that tall, and that heavy should not be that fast, hes probably one of the safest picks in the draft....really cant miss with him

DIESELMAN
03-27-2007, 10:49 PM
calvin johnson ran a 4.3 in sneakers lol, he made himslef a combine legend, someone that tall, and that heavy should not be that fast, hes probably one of the safest picks in the draft....really cant miss with him

yeah in borrowed sneakers :lol: he probably coulda ran a 4.2 barefooted. :lol: The man is going to take the WR position to another level.

K Train
03-27-2007, 10:51 PM
not to mention street clothes lol

jasonbay
03-28-2007, 01:45 AM
Jamarcus Russel reminds me alot of Daunte Cullpepper , now do I think he could be good in the NFL , yeah ...will he? probably not . I also think he'll go Top 10 .

steelcitysfinestXL
03-30-2007, 03:32 PM
Ok lets be serious here...
Russel- #1 pick
why? Raiders need a franchise QB and he IS it.

Troy Smith- Very unfortunate the way he is disrespected. he is the #2 QB in this draft, but he wont be drafted as such. Hopefully a decent team that wants him to come and compete for the starting job takes him. Its amazining how a guy wins the Heismann HANDS DOWN and gets disrespected by EVERYONE.

Brady Quinn- THE MOST OVERRATED PLAYER IN THIS DRAFT. never won a bowl game, never won any big game for that matter. He wont be Ryan Leaf
but i can see him having a David Carr like start to his Career. He will go To either the brownies or lions and get beat down behind a ****-poor o-line

Drew Stanton- MSU's qb should be the 3rd picked qb, for good reason... he can flat out play... and should be picked b4 quinn

steelcitysfinestXL
03-30-2007, 03:41 PM
I would love to see the raiders take Calvin Johnson #1 and take Smith in the 2nd or 3rd round. In camp Smith would prove why he won the Heisman over the "favorite" Brady quinn, and win the starting job over Walters. And imagine Troy Smith (yeah that guy who won all those games and Kept OSU in the a BCS bowl for 3 straight years, and not to mention beat Michigan 3 STRAIGHT YEARS) throwing to Randy Moss, Calvin Johnson, and Jerry Porter. I would love to see it!!!!

kgreen
03-30-2007, 05:48 PM
ok, you are no longer allowed to every post again, i'm taking your rights away :lol:

troy smith ****ing sucks......... he is probably the most overrated player ever :lol: he's a ****ing choke artist, a ****ing starting qb has 4 total yards on offense in the biggest game of his life.......he is garbage, he's a lifetime clip board holder

on the other hand, russell stepped up in the biggest game of his life........

overall this is a weak qb year, quinn will get attention cause of where he played and who he played for................. russell will be top 5 just based on the fact that this years qb group sucks.........

also, OSU plays in a weak conference which made smith look good this year

The Big 10 is actually a strong conference. I mean you have 5 Top notch/elite teams (Iowa, Michigan, OSU, PSU, and Wisconsin). Also, you have 5 other pretty good teams that on a given Saturday could shock you(MSU, Northwestern, Minnesota and Purdue). I seem to recall that Minnesota gave PSU fits and Illinois gave OSU some trouble as well. It is not as weak as the Pac-10 or the C-USA but it not quite the SEC. Troy Smith does not suck and this coming form a PSU fan. He was a great college QB, sometimes that does not translate into NFL success (Danny Wuerffel, Ryan Leaf, Ken Dorsey, Akili Smith, and numerous other Heisman trophy winners). Troy Smith might not be a starting QB, but most of his College career will be remembered as great (excluding that embarrasing game vs. Florida). I agree though, this QB class does suck. After Quinn and Russell, there is a huge drop-off to the 3rd QB.

steelcitysfinestXL
03-30-2007, 07:05 PM
Yeah, the Big Ten is a close second to the SEC. Say what you want but the Big 12 is 3rd behind the Big Ten. Like Kgreen said 5 power teams, and they will play 3 of 5 of these teams every year. If Michigan wouldnt have played Ohio State this year they would have been in The BCS chamionship.