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Steelerlyn
03-18-2007, 12:50 AM
(AP) PITTSBURGH The Pittsburgh Steelers can move forward with plans to build an amphitheater near Heinz Field.

The city-county Sports-and-Exhibition Authority has approved up to $10million in tax credits that the team plans to use for infrastructure for the project.

The team is working with Continental Real Estate as its development partner on the project.

The team plans to build a glass-covered amphitheater that would seat about 1,200 people, and to surround the venue with bars and restaurants.

The Steelers will receive $1 million in tax credits over the next ten years.

The project has to meet certain sales tax revenue goals to remain eligible to receive all the credits.

http://kdka.com/local/local_story_074220125.html

and the point of a 1,200 seat amphitheater is.......? You can fit that many people in a good sized bar to see a cover band on Friday nights. For an out of towner I am always happy to find something else to do when in town for games but what kind of entertainment caters to the 1,200 seat crowd? If it is meant to simply be an open air seating area for festivals and have family oriented activities it may make sense but if it is an admission charging arena it is a waste.

Stlrs4Life
03-18-2007, 06:36 PM
Another dumb idea.

Friday133
03-18-2007, 06:45 PM
Another dumb idea.

Based on what? The developer that will be doing this, Cordish Companies (http://www.cordish.com/) out of Baltimore has developed and will be developing similar sites elsewhere in the country. I know they are working with the St. Louis Cardinals regarding the new developments around new Busch Stadium.

Friday133
03-18-2007, 06:48 PM
(AP) PITTSBURGH The Pittsburgh Steelers can move forward with plans to build an amphitheater near Heinz Field.

The city-county Sports-and-Exhibition Authority has approved up to $10million in tax credits that the team plans to use for infrastructure for the project.

The team is working with Continental Real Estate as its development partner on the project.

The team plans to build a glass-covered amphitheater that would seat about 1,200 people, and to surround the venue with bars and restaurants.

The Steelers will receive $1 million in tax credits over the next ten years.

The project has to meet certain sales tax revenue goals to remain eligible to receive all the credits.

http://kdka.com/local/local_story_074220125.html

and the point of a 1,200 seat amphitheater is.......? You can fit that many people in a good sized bar to see a cover band on Friday nights. For an out of towner I am always happy to find something else to do when in town for games but what kind of entertainment caters to the 1,200 seat crowd? If it is meant to simply be an open air seating area for festivals and have family oriented activities it may make sense but if it is an admission charging arena it is a waste.


I appreciate the out of town fan, but the whole point of building the new stadiums was to draw development to the area, no one in Pittsburgh wanted to have a repeat of 3RS. Frankly with the Chevrolet Amphitheater relocating to homestead, it gives the city a great new place for music.

House of Steel
03-18-2007, 06:53 PM
I have to agree with Friday here. This is another chance to bring more revenue to the city of Pittsburgh. If this also spawns new business and attractions, more power to the city. I am always in favor of new developments that perks up the area as far as business and bring revenues. I think the Steelers are going to be rewarded for this in a great way.

Friday133
03-18-2007, 06:58 PM
I have to agree with Friday here. This is another chance to bring more revenue to the city of Pittsburgh. If this also spawns new business and attractions, more power to the city. I am always in favor of new developments that perks up the area as far as business and bring revenues. I think the Steelers are going to be rewarded for this in a great way.

Exactly! Plus the Steelers and the Pirates cut some sort of revenue from the developments, so its in the teams best interest to move forward. Right now there are only two office buildings in the area between Heinz and PNC. However, that's going to change over time, soon there will be another hotel, another office building and maybe :crossfingers: some residential.

House of Steel
03-18-2007, 07:42 PM
I thought they was building a casino within that area, Friday? I know a luxury hotel is going in there soon with condos residental buildings.

TEEMONT
03-18-2007, 07:46 PM
ooooo a 1,200 amphitheater, ooooooo thats gonna be soooo cool, ooooooo

Friday133
03-18-2007, 08:12 PM
I thought they was building a casino within that area, Friday? I know a luxury hotel is going in there soon with condos residental buildings.

The casino is going to be further down the Ohio River towards the West End bridge. Hyatt is going to put an upscale hotel in between the stadiums. Residential condos or apartments could happen there, nothing concrete yet.

Friday133
03-18-2007, 08:12 PM
ooooo a 1,200 amphitheater, ooooooo thats gonna be soooo cool, ooooooo

Good thing you don't live anywhere near here. :clap:

House of Steel
03-18-2007, 08:27 PM
That is going to be fantastic for that area. Thanks for the scoop, Friday.

Stlrs4Life
03-18-2007, 10:12 PM
I don't care if they bring it in at all. It's where they are putting them that I don't like. They don't have to be right next to Heinz Field. It can be a block down the road or two.

Stlrs4Life
03-18-2007, 10:13 PM
The casino is going to be further down the Ohio River towards the West End bridge. Hyatt is going to put an upscale hotel in between the stadiums. Residential condos or apartments could happen there, nothing concrete yet.


Yeah, let's build all this stuff and have no where for anybody to park. That's a great idea. That new parking garage isn't going to hold enough cars.

Friday133
03-18-2007, 10:26 PM
Yeah, let's build all this stuff and have no where for anybody to park. That's a great idea. That new parking garage isn't going to hold enough cars.

You're right there isn't going to be anyplace to park, that luxury left with 3RS. The whole deal to build the new stadiums was the ability to develop in between Heinz Field and PNC.

BTW there are a lot of other places to park for the game too.

Steelerlyn
03-18-2007, 10:38 PM
tailgating as many of us know it now will definitely be a thing of the past. We will be encouraged to not tailgate, as we currrently know it. This whole thing has been on the drawing board for a few years that I know of.

TEEMONT
03-18-2007, 11:34 PM
There are plenty of places to tailgate other than the parking area around Heinz. I usually tailgate on the other side of the river when I go to games, and then ride the Clipper over.

Stlrs4Life
03-19-2007, 06:37 PM
There are plenty of places to tailgate other than the parking area around Heinz. I usually tailgate on the other side of the river when I go to games, and then ride the Clipper over.



They could never fit enough tailgaters over there. I think the day when they stop tailgating is the day I am done going to the games. Tailgating is part of the atmospere of the game.

Steelerlyn
03-19-2007, 06:48 PM
They could never fit enough tailgaters over there. I think the day when they stop tailgating is the day I am done going to the games. Tailgating is part of the atmospere of the game.

:iagree: Dom!~ You have a huge tailgate EVERY week and are kind enough to invite all of out -of-towners who would otherwise have no where to go!
Your contribution to one's pilgrimage to da burg to see a game is huge and everyone loves you for it:)

Friday133
03-19-2007, 10:27 PM
They could never fit enough tailgaters over there. I think the day when they stop tailgating is the day I am done going to the games. Tailgating is part of the atmospere of the game.

BTW a new hotel is supposed to break ground within the next few weeks, across the street from PNC Park and next to the Springfield Suites.

Stlrs4Life
03-19-2007, 11:05 PM
:iagree: Dom!~ You have a huge tailgate EVERY week and are kind enough to invite all of out -of-towners who would otherwise have no where to go!
Your contribution to one's pilgrimage to da burg to see a game is huge and everyone loves you for it:)

Yeah, that's my point, I enjoy the tailgating experience, like I said, that is part of the game. All of this construction doesn't have to be next to both stadiums. And tailgate a couple of miles away from the stadium? Tailgating around the stadium is the Atmosphere. If ya take that away, we might as well tailgate in my front yard and just watch the game on a big Screen.

Friday133
03-19-2007, 11:13 PM
Yeah, that's my point, I enjoy the tailgating experience, like I said, that is part of the game. All of this construction doesn't have to be next to both stadiums. And tailgate a couple of miles away from the stadium? Tailgating around the stadium is the Atmosphere. If ya take that away, we might as well tailgate in my front yard and just watch the game on a big Screen.

I beg to differ about the development. To begin with, these developments should come as no surprise to anyone. It was clearly stated before the stadiums were built they (local government) didn't want to make the same mistake as 3RS, they wanted to use the stadiums to spur development growth. The same thing is going to happen for the new Penguins arena. There are other places around the area to tailgate, I know of several, however they aren't right next door to the stadiums. Frankly, not being able to tailgate is a small price to pay for new downtown development.

Stlrs4Life
03-21-2007, 05:07 PM
Where is everybocdy going to park for all of these developments?

BlitzburghRockCity
03-21-2007, 05:37 PM
Getting out of anywhere even close to Heinz after a game is a nightmare to say the least. We never park in the stadium parking lots we always use one of the other ones around it and even then it still takes you hours to get out of it even if you were to leave early before the game was over.

If they can solve the parking and traffic issues with it I think it can be an awesome thing to have for the city.

Stlrs4Life
03-21-2007, 05:48 PM
Well, with all these new developments, it is going to be 5 times worse.

BlitzburghRockCity
03-21-2007, 05:51 PM
and that's really the only downfall that I can see from it is the traffic and parking woes being 10x worse.

Friday133
03-22-2007, 08:01 AM
I don't think the parking will get worse, in fact traffic might be a little bit better. There are various lots all over the city to park and get to the stadiums. With the new north shore subway connection those living south can easily ride the subway to the stadiums, hell they can do that now. There is a lot of parking in the golden triangle and on the North Side as well. I do agree that tailgating will ultimately become a thing of the past.

Stlrs4Life
03-22-2007, 10:21 PM
I don't think the parking will get worse, in fact traffic might be a little bit better. There are various lots all over the city to park and get to the stadiums. With the new north shore subway connection those living south can easily ride the subway to the stadiums, hell they can do that now. There is a lot of parking in the golden triangle and on the North Side as well. I do agree that tailgating will ultimately become a thing of the past.



Yeah, all they want to do is to continue on the agenda of kicking the middle guy out. Sooner or later, only the Rich and wealthy will be able to go to games. The little guy, and hard working blue Collar guy will left out. But whjat's new, all they care about is the money.

Friday133
03-22-2007, 10:41 PM
Yeah, all they want to do is to continue on the agenda of kicking the middle guy out. Sooner or later, only the Rich and wealthy will be able to go to games. The little guy, and hard working blue Collar guy will left out. But whjat's new, all they care about is the money.

I have no idea how developing real estate kicks the little guy out. :dunno: Sounds like you're just pissed because tailgating isn't going to be the same.

BlacknGold Bleeder
03-23-2007, 12:02 AM
I have no idea how developing real estate kicks the little guy out. :dunno: Sounds like you're just pissed because tailgating isn't going to be the same.

Obviously you don't like tailgating. To a helluva alot of people it's a special part of the game day tradition.IMHO that ampitheater and complex isn't really necessary, are you forgetting the casino that's gonna be 1/4 mile away?? I'm betting that there will be a room in there that will have that size room. The parking lots over there are needed for all this development. More shops and less parking will make that area like Oakland, around Pitt if you know the area. Some where to go and NO parking !!

SteelerNation
03-23-2007, 12:50 AM
:blah: :blah: it would be nice to drink a jack and see a thread that says the steelers can move foward with plans to replace the current crapy grass we have on heinz field now with some field turf. and the steeler logo in to field again . <good days comeing i can feel the vib> :banana:

Stlrs4Life
03-23-2007, 08:02 PM
I have no idea how developing real estate kicks the little guy out. :dunno: Sounds like you're just pissed because tailgating isn't going to be the same.


Oh, I agree, I am pissed because tailgating isn't going to be the same. Believe me, I am not alone. Everything that they are putting in down there, I guarantee they already have down there not far away. (Minus the casino of course) I have no problem with them developing the area, it's the area that they plan on developing is the thing.

Friday133
03-23-2007, 08:16 PM
Oh, I agree, I am pissed because tailgating isn't going to be the same. Believe me, I am not alone. Everything that they are putting in down there, I guarantee they already have down there not far away. (Minus the casino of course) I have no problem with them developing the area, it's the area that they plan on developing is the thing.

What would you prefer to see developed in the area instead?

Steelerlyn
03-24-2007, 12:11 AM
I don't believe anyone wants to see Pittsburgh or any other city to not be developed to its' fullest potential. As this is a direct sampling of our economy. In this case, the only thing I have against this particular expansion is where they are planning to develop, in an already very narrow area for parking. Pittsburgh & most of the hotel, motel facilities go out of their way to transport fans from Point A to the stadium for the games, however, that is not at all what Dom and I are discussing. We, and a few thousand other Steeler fans are very concerned that tailgating as we know it, will be a definite thing of the past and tailgating is a primary portion of the Steeler game experience.

We, Joe 6 packs, who supported the Steelers when they were nothing at all, are being taken out of the equation and only people with money will be able to do what we have always done and we will be handed the bill for it. This is just another case of the little people paying for the good times of the money people and any honest taxpayer will certainly agree. Again, Friday, noone is questioning development. It is where the development is being done for a mere 1200 very rich people. And more than likely it will fail, then who pays for putting things back the way they were?

Stlrs4Life
03-24-2007, 11:02 AM
What would you prefer to see developed in the area instead?


Like I said, they can develope all they want on the other side from Heinz field, around the area where the Casino is going to be. And on the other side of PNC already has shops, and restaraunts. Like I said, when every I go to that area, I'm going to watch a game, whether it's the Pirates, or the Steelers. If I want the other stuff, I can go to other parts of town for it.

Stlrs4Life
03-24-2007, 11:04 AM
I don't believe anyone wants to see Pittsburgh or any other city to not be developed to its' fullest potential. As this is a direct sampling of our economy. In this case, the only thing I have against this particular expansion is where they are planning to develop, in an already very narrow area for parking. Pittsburgh & most of the hotel, motel facilities go out of their way to transport fans from Point A to the stadium for the games, however, that is not at all what Dom and I are discussing. We, and a few thousand other Steeler fans are very concerned that tailgating as we know it, will be a definite thing of the past and tailgating is a primary portion of the Steeler game experience.

We, Joe 6 packs, who supported the Steelers when they were nothing at all, are being taken out of the equation and only people with money will be able to do what we have always done and we will be handed the bill for it. This is just another case of the little people paying for the good times of the money people and any honest taxpayer will certainly agree. Again, Friday, noone is questioning development. It is where the development is being done for a mere 1200 very rich people. And more than likely it will fail, then who pays for putting things back the way they were?


Excellent point, and post.

Friday133
03-24-2007, 11:08 AM
I don't believe anyone wants to see Pittsburgh or any other city to not be developed to its' fullest potential. As this is a direct sampling of our economy. In this case, the only thing I have against this particular expansion is where they are planning to develop, in an already very narrow area for parking. Pittsburgh & most of the hotel, motel facilities go out of their way to transport fans from Point A to the stadium for the games, however, that is not at all what Dom and I are discussing. We, and a few thousand other Steeler fans are very concerned that tailgating as we know it, will be a definite thing of the past and tailgating is a primary portion of the Steeler game experience.

We, Joe 6 packs, who supported the Steelers when they were nothing at all, are being taken out of the equation and only people with money will be able to do what we have always done and we will be handed the bill for it. This is just another case of the little people paying for the good times of the money people and any honest taxpayer will certainly agree. Again, Friday, no one is questioning development. It is where the development is being done for a mere 1200 very rich people. And more than likely it will fail, then who pays for putting things back the way they were?


I agree tailgating as we know it is going to be a thing of the past. However, when the stadiums were built, the local politicians let it be known they planned to develop the area between the stadiums, both teams were going to be the 'master developers'. They would decide what kind of development was going to happen. How could you say the development is being done for 1200 very rich people? :dunno: And why will it fail? :dunno: That to me sounds like sour grapes. You live in Michigan and come here once maybe twice a year, meanwhile there several hundred thousand people here that would love something else to do. Frankly there is a lot more to the city than the Steelers and those that tailgate 10 times a year. If you don't like it, simply don't go then.

Friday133
03-24-2007, 11:10 AM
Like I said, they can develope all they want on the other side from Heinz field, around the area where the Casino is going to be. And on the other side of PNC already has shops, and restaraunts. Like I said, when every I go to that area, I'm going to watch a game, whether it's the Pirates, or the Steelers. If I want the other stuff, I can go to other parts of town for it.

Think about how valuable that land is between the stadiums. Anyone in their right mind knows they are worth more with developments on them than vacant parking lots.

Friday133
03-24-2007, 11:42 AM
You know what would have been good for the tailgater's? If the Steelers would have built their new stadium in Washington County, Butler County, Monroeville, or maybe out by the airport somewhere. That way they could have built a stadium and surrounded it by acres of concrete so you guys could still have your tailgates.

Friday133
03-24-2007, 11:49 AM
Obviously you don't like tailgating. To a helluva alot of people it's a special part of the game day tradition.IMHO that ampitheater and complex isn't really necessary, are you forgetting the casino that's gonna be 1/4 mile away?? I'm betting that there will be a room in there that will have that size room. The parking lots over there are needed for all this development. More shops and less parking will make that area like Oakland, around Pitt if you know the area. Some where to go and NO parking !!

No, I do like tailgating. Maybe you guys should be mad a d Dan Rooney, after all the amphitheater is his idea and he's been wanting to build one for sometime.

Friday133
03-24-2007, 11:50 AM
BTW, I live in Oakland.

Steelerlyn
03-25-2007, 12:54 AM
I agree tailgating as we know it is going to be a thing of the past. However, when the stadiums were built, the local politicians let it be known they planned to develop the area between the stadiums, both teams were going to be the 'master developers'. They would decide what kind of development was going to happen. How could you say the development is being done for 1200 very rich people? :dunno: And why will it fail? :dunno: That to me sounds like sour grapes. You live in Michigan and come here once maybe twice a year, meanwhile there several hundred thousand people here that would love something else to do. Frankly there is a lot more to the city than the Steelers and those that tailgate 10 times a year. If you don't like it, simply don't go then.


Correct, I do live in Michigan. Maybe you should read this and enlighten yourself as to what sparks 90% of Pittsburgh's economy, keeping in mind that I did not write the article, they are merely facts that Pittsburgh's community leaders find in fact, after reading this, you may wish to retract the statement, there is more to Pittsburgh than the Steelers.:

http://www.sportspickle.com/features/volume5/2006-0208-towel.html

The City of Pittsburgh, long known for the steel industry that gave the town’s beloved Steelers football team its name now has an economy almost entirely based on the manufacturing and sale of Terrible Towels and other Steelers merchandise, according to a recent economic review of the city.

“The outstanding play of the Steelers over the past few years has not only reinvigorated the team’s already devoted fanbase, but it has also given the city an industry that has provided new jobs for more than 100,000 residents – the design, production and sale of Terrible Towels and other team apparel,” said Pittsburgh mayor Bob O’Connor. “In fact, nearly every citizen of the great city of Pittsburgh is today in some way employed by our exploding Terrible Towel industry.”

Now, however, city officials feel they have a self-sufficient signature industry that will thrive as long as the Pittsburgh Steelers exist.

“No team in sports receives as much support from their fans as the Steelers,” said team owner Dan Rooney. “You can slap a Steelers logo on a bottle of diarrhea and our fans will pay top dollar for it. I don’t see how this new Terrible-Towel based economy could possibly go bust. It’s an ingenious idea.”

Outside of the existing Terrible Towel manufacturing plants and the giant Terrible Towel shopping centers that already exist or are scheduled to be built in town, all of the city’s other existing businesses are seeing enormous residual benefits from the booming Towel industry.

For example, law firms throughout the city are flush with cases involving the sale of unlicensed Terrible Towels and personal injury lawsuits from those who have suffered injuries while waving the yellow towels. Pittsburgh’s trucking companies are busy delivering orders of towels to stores throughout the region; restaurants have gotten in on the boom by using Terrible Towel tablecloths or napkins, while some chefs have even taken to creating dishes using bits of the Towel as an ingredient or garnishing their creations with Terrible Towels. The list of affected industries is endless.

Mayor O’Connor says he thinks Pittsburgh’s Terrible Towel-fueled revitalization will provide a roadmap for struggling sports-crazed town across the country.

“With all the money we’re making I think the Penguins will even get a new arena out of all this,” said O’Connor. “As long as they promise to show Steelers highlights on the arena Jumbotron during their home games.”

BlacknGold Bleeder
03-25-2007, 01:47 AM
What would you prefer to see developed in the area instead?

Maybe a multilevel parking garage to accommodate all of the people who want to tailgate...


I agree tailgating as we know it is going to be a thing of the past. However, when the stadiums were built, the local politicians let it be known they planned to develop the area between the stadiums, both teams were going to be the 'master developers'. They would decide what kind of development was going to happen. How could you say the development is being done for 1200 very rich people? :dunno: And why will it fail? :dunno: That to me sounds like sour grapes. You live in Michigan and come here once maybe twice a year, meanwhile there several hundred thousand people here that would love something else to do. Frankly there is a lot more to the city than the Steelers and those that tailgate 10 times a year. If you don't like it, simply don't go then.

Who are you agreeing with??? Tailgating a thing of the past?? Tailgating will NEVER be a thing of the past !!! In case you didn't know it tailgating is a nationwide pastime.

maybe the teams should stick to running teams...

there is a helluva lot more things to do in this city, and those lots are obviously used more than 10 times a year... where do you think some of the people working everyday park at in the city?? If the owners of those lots thought they could make more money by developing those lots,don't you think they would ??


You know what would have been good for the tailgater's? If the Steelers would have built their new stadium in Washington County, Butler County, Monroeville, or maybe out by the airport somewhere. That way they could have built a stadium and surrounded it by acres of concrete so you guys could still have your tailgates.

This is a totally asinine statement. If like you suggest, that the stadiums been built elsewhere how would this city make up all the lost revenue, taxes on tickets ,parking and such??


BTW, I live in Oakland.

This probably explains why you don't like tailgating and are such a proponent for public transportation( the waste of money for the under river subway) you probably don't have a car,lol

Stlrs4Life
03-25-2007, 09:17 AM
You know what would have been good for the tailgater's? If the Steelers would have built their new stadium in Washington County, Butler County, Monroeville, or maybe out by the airport somewhere. That way they could have built a stadium and surrounded it by acres of concrete so you guys could still have your tailgates.


Yeah, before Heinz was built I said they should move out of Pittsburgh in to Washington County. Wouldn't of bothered me 1 bit. More things to do? Anything that they decide to put into that area, you can find some where else in the aerea. It's not like Pittsburgh doesn't already have motels, bars, and restaraunts. I live 65 miles north of Pittsburgh, and go down there quite a bit.

Friday133
03-25-2007, 11:42 AM
Correct, I do live in Michigan. Maybe you should read this and enlighten yourself as to what sparks 90% of Pittsburgh's economy, keeping in mind that I did not write the article, they are merely facts that Pittsburgh's community leaders find in fact, after reading this, you may wish to retract the statement, there is more to Pittsburgh than the Steelers.:

http://www.sportspickle.com/features/volume5/2006-0208-towel.html

The City of Pittsburgh, long known for the steel industry that gave the town’s beloved Steelers football team its name now has an economy almost entirely based on the manufacturing and sale of Terrible Towels and other Steelers merchandise, according to a recent economic review of the city.

“The outstanding play of the Steelers over the past few years has not only reinvigorated the team’s already devoted fanbase, but it has also given the city an industry that has provided new jobs for more than 100,000 residents – the design, production and sale of Terrible Towels and other team apparel,” said Pittsburgh mayor Bob O’Connor. “In fact, nearly every citizen of the great city of Pittsburgh is today in some way employed by our exploding Terrible Towel industry.”

Now, however, city officials feel they have a self-sufficient signature industry that will thrive as long as the Pittsburgh Steelers exist.

“No team in sports receives as much support from their fans as the Steelers,” said team owner Dan Rooney. “You can slap a Steelers logo on a bottle of diarrhea and our fans will pay top dollar for it. I don’t see how this new Terrible-Towel based economy could possibly go bust. It’s an ingenious idea.”

Outside of the existing Terrible Towel manufacturing plants and the giant Terrible Towel shopping centers that already exist or are scheduled to be built in town, all of the city’s other existing businesses are seeing enormous residual benefits from the booming Towel industry.

For example, law firms throughout the city are flush with cases involving the sale of unlicensed Terrible Towels and personal injury lawsuits from those who have suffered injuries while waving the yellow towels. Pittsburgh’s trucking companies are busy delivering orders of towels to stores throughout the region; restaurants have gotten in on the boom by using Terrible Towel tablecloths or napkins, while some chefs have even taken to creating dishes using bits of the Towel as an ingredient or garnishing their creations with Terrible Towels. The list of affected industries is endless.

Mayor O’Connor says he thinks Pittsburgh’s Terrible Towel-fueled revitalization will provide a roadmap for struggling sports-crazed town across the country.

“With all the money we’re making I think the Penguins will even get a new arena out of all this,” said O’Connor. “As long as they promise to show Steelers highlights on the arena Jumbotron during their home games.”

Ah Lyn the sportspickle is not real news, its satire.

Friday133
03-25-2007, 11:49 AM
Maybe a multilevel parking garage to accommodate all of the people who want to tailgate...



Who are you agreeing with??? Tailgating a thing of the past?? Tailgating will NEVER be a thing of the past !!! In case you didn't know it tailgating is a nationwide pastime.

maybe the teams should stick to running teams...

there is a helluva lot more things to do in this city, and those lots are obviously used more than 10 times a year... where do you think some of the people working everyday park at in the city?? If the owners of those lots thought they could make more money by developing those lots,don't you think they would ??



This is a totally asinine statement. If like you suggest, that the stadiums been built elsewhere how would this city make up all the lost revenue, taxes on tickets ,parking and such??



This probably explains why you don't like tailgating and are such a proponent for public transportation( the waste of money for the under river subway) you probably don't have a car,lol

They do plan to build another parking garage, do you read the paper? I understand tailgating is a nationwide pastime, let me ask you, how many people tailgate for Cubs or Yankees games? Tailgating will not be the same in Pittsburgh as it was in the past. I've worked downtown for 7 years pal, I used to park in those same lots, believe me they're not filled everyday. Its asinine for you to believe the city needs the Steelers to be successful, read any economic study on sports teams, they aren't a cure all for a city. I have a car, thank you very much, and I drive to work everyday.

Steelerlyn
03-25-2007, 12:22 PM
Friday let's you and I agree to disagree. Simply put, parking garages do not allow tailgating, as we know it. All I am saying is that it will be a great change for many of us who do tailgate. Also, economically, what does Pittsburgh have to depend upon if it is not tourism, and making money off of out of towners (hotels, motels, restaurants, bars, etc) and Steeler fans who traffic all kinds of stores in Pittsburgh?

You also say the sportspickle is not real news, it is satire. Okay, I will agree to a point, that point being a quote is a quote and the mayor, at that time said,
“The outstanding play of the Steelers over the past few years has not only reinvigorated the team’s already devoted fanbase, but it has also given the city an industry that has provided new jobs for more than 100,000 residents – the design, production and sale of Terrible Towels and other team apparel,” said Pittsburgh mayor Bob O’Connor. “In fact, nearly every citizen of the great city of Pittsburgh is today in some way employed by our exploding Terrible Towel industry.”

and this,
“With all the money we’re making I think the Penguins will even get a new arena out of all this,” said O’Connor. “As long as they promise to show Steelers highlights on the arena Jumbotron during their home games.”

and although maybe out of context, and not a quote but true!

For example, law firms throughout the city are flush with cases involving the sale of unlicensed Terrible Towels and personal injury lawsuits from those who have suffered injuries while waving the yellow towels. Pittsburgh’s trucking companies are busy delivering orders of towels to stores throughout the region; restaurants have gotten in on the boom by using Terrible Towel tablecloths or napkins, while some chefs have even taken to creating dishes using bits of the Towel as an ingredient or garnishing their creations with Terrible Towels. The list of affected industries is endless.

Stlrs4Life
03-25-2007, 02:07 PM
They do plan to build another parking garage, do you read the paper? I understand tailgating is a nationwide pastime, let me ask you, how many people tailgate for Cubs or Yankees games? Tailgating will not be the same in Pittsburgh as it was in the past. I've worked downtown for 7 years pal, I used to park in those same lots, believe me they're not filled everyday. Its asinine for you to believe the city needs the Steelers to be successful, read any economic study on sports teams, they aren't a cure all for a city. I have a car, thank you very much, and I drive to work everyday.

I don't care what the Yankees and Cubs get. I don't follow those teams. Only reason the lots are empty, is that Alco took it over and made them reserved lots, this was dumb on there part. First come first serve was better. I am talking about game days, I have no idea on what they were like during the week.

TEEMONT
03-25-2007, 02:51 PM
They do plan to build another parking garage, do you read the paper? I understand tailgating is a nationwide pastime, let me ask you, how many people tailgate for Cubs or Yankees games? Tailgating will not be the same in Pittsburgh as it was in the past. I've worked downtown for 7 years pal, I used to park in those same lots, believe me they're not filled everyday. Its asinine for you to believe the city needs the Steelers to be successful, read any economic study on sports teams, they aren't a cure all for a city. I have a car, thank you very much, and I drive to work everyday.

Since when do baseball fans tailgate anyways?

People have never gone downtown on a Wednesday just to park near a stadium and grill some burgers. I know I haven't been home for a while, but hell even here in Spokane, for the Shock (AFL2) games, there are thousands of people tailgating.

Baseball fans rarely tailgate, unless it the playoffs. It would be pretty hard to go and grill, and get drunk 81 times a summer. However, grilling and drinking a min. of 8 times throughout the fall, is a little easier.

BlacknGold Bleeder
03-25-2007, 03:38 PM
They do plan to build another parking garage, do you read the paper? I understand tailgating is a nationwide pastime, let me ask you, how many people tailgate for Cubs or Yankees games? Tailgating will not be the same in Pittsburgh as it was in the past. I've worked downtown for 7 years pal, I used to park in those same lots, believe me they're not filled everyday. Its asinine for you to believe the city needs the Steelers to be successful, read any economic study on sports teams, they aren't a cure all for a city. I have a car, thank you very much, and I drive to work everyday.

Let's not compare apples to oranges,please. If you can, name one baseball team that has any regular tailgating ?? Playoffs not counted, there is no team that has regular season tailgating. On the same note name me one NFL team that doesn't have a regular tailgating contingent.

Using your logic that those lots are not filled every day,so they are not needed, this amphitheater and related shops will not be filled every day,so it's not needed.

At no point in time did I ever state that Pittsburgh needs the STEELERS to be successful. Does more retail development equal success?? No,a city can only support so much development. In order for Pittsburgh to be successful it needs to reevaluate its government and the incredible tax burden it puts on these businesses. Once these issues are addressed then maybe more businesses will make a home in the city, which may require more development. It seems to me that somebody is putting the cart before the horse.

BlitzburghRockCity
03-25-2007, 04:49 PM
Let's not forget though, that the Steelers do play a part in the success of the city. The revenue that is brought in from fans who travel to the games, and all that goes into putting on a game every sunday does indeed help tremendously. And that's not just revenue during the season either but in the offseason when the stadium is used for other events. It's all a trickle down effect that does have an impact on any city.

Obviously the local and state governments need to be held accountable for how they run the city's finances, but every little part of the city including sports teams helps the city get better.

Friday133
03-25-2007, 09:11 PM
Friday let's you and I agree to disagree. Simply put, parking garages do not allow tailgating, as we know it. All I am saying is that it will be a great change for many of us who do tailgate. Also, economically, what does Pittsburgh have to depend upon if it is not tourism, and making money off of out of towners (hotels, motels, restaurants, bars, etc) and Steeler fans who traffic all kinds of stores in Pittsburgh?

You also say the sportspickle is not real news, it is satire. Okay, I will agree to a point, that point being a quote is a quote and the mayor, at that time said,
“The outstanding play of the Steelers over the past few years has not only reinvigorated the team’s already devoted fanbase, but it has also given the city an industry that has provided new jobs for more than 100,000 residents – the design, production and sale of Terrible Towels and other team apparel,” said Pittsburgh mayor Bob O’Connor. “In fact, nearly every citizen of the great city of Pittsburgh is today in some way employed by our exploding Terrible Towel industry.”

and this,
“With all the money we’re making I think the Penguins will even get a new arena out of all this,” said O’Connor. “As long as they promise to show Steelers highlights on the arena Jumbotron during their home games.”

and although maybe out of context, and not a quote but true!

For example, law firms throughout the city are flush with cases involving the sale of unlicensed Terrible Towels and personal injury lawsuits from those who have suffered injuries while waving the yellow towels. Pittsburgh’s trucking companies are busy delivering orders of towels to stores throughout the region; restaurants have gotten in on the boom by using Terrible Towel tablecloths or napkins, while some chefs have even taken to creating dishes using bits of the Towel as an ingredient or garnishing their creations with Terrible Towels. The list of affected industries is endless.

You can't seriously believe any of what I highlighted to be true. If you do, well then oh well. :dunno:

As for the rest of this argument, I agree to disagree. In the end we're all Steelers fans and want the team to win on the field. :tt02:

Stlrs4Life
03-26-2007, 04:58 PM
I go to about 3-4 Pirate games a season, and I tailgate for every one of them. It's not to the scale of Steeler tailgates, but none the less, still tailgating.