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Friday133
03-05-2007, 04:44 PM
Steelers look for Porter's replacement
Monday, March 05, 2007

By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Steelers take their first steps to try to replace Joey Porter when they have a look at the guy who was displaced in New England by Adalius Thomas.

Tully Banta-Cain, a 26-year-old outside linebacker with the Patriots, will visit the Steelers on Wednesday. He played four years with New England and had 5.5 sacks for them last season, his first as a starter.

The Patriots signed Thomas, considered the top free agent outside linebacker after his contract expired with Baltimore, over the weekend.

The Steelers today entertained their first player in free agency when former Pitt punter Andy Lee paid a visit to their facility on the South Side. Lee is a restricted free agent with the San Francisco 49ers. If the Steelers signed him, the 49ers would have the right to match the contract; if they declined to match, the Steelers would have to give them a sixth-round draft choice in return.

The Steelers released Porter, who had seven sacks last season, last Thursday before a $1 million roster bonus was due him.


Post-Gazette (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07064/767023-100.stm)

Koopa
03-05-2007, 04:47 PM
f'k that punter, just draft the dude from baylor in the sixth

Friday133
03-05-2007, 04:47 PM
This guy from the Patriots sounds interesting. I like the fact the team is starting to look at FA's sooner rather than later.

BlackGold4vr
03-05-2007, 05:34 PM
This guy from the Patriots sounds interesting. I like the fact the team is starting to look at FA's sooner rather than later.

We let Porter go because his performance had slid from what we were used to in previous seasons. Based on what he did this past season it was not worth bumping his salary up to retain him. Look up Tully Banta-Cain's stats and Porters beat his across the board! We can do better in the draft or with players we already have (James Harrison). If Porters stats from this past year warranted a pink slip it would be hard to convince fans that hiring someone else with inferior stats would be an improvement in our defense!
We want a better player for less money. Upgrade in performance and downgrade in cost. Cain's performance from last year does not make him an option in my mind! :nono:

INDIVIDUAL DEFENSE
PLAYER TCKL SOLO ASST SCK FUM REC FF
Joey Porter 55 40 15 7.0 0 0
Tully Banta-Cain 34 24 10 5.5 0 1

Gotta ask yourself don't you think a rookie OLB could play better than Cain? I would rather take my chances with Anthony Spencer or Jarvis Moss or James Harrison. All three would be better than Banta!!!!

TEEMONT
03-05-2007, 05:38 PM
We let Porter go because his performance had slid from what we were used to in previous seasons. Based on what he did this past season it was not worth bumping his salary up to retain him. Look up Tully Banta-Cain's stats and Porters beat his across the board! We can do better in the draft or with players we already have (James Harrison). If Porters stats from this past year warranted a pink slip it would be hard to convince fans that hiring someone else with inferior stats would be an improvement in our defense!
We want a better player for less money. Upgrade in performance and downgrade in cost. Cain's performance from last year does not make him an option in my mind! :nono:

INDIVIDUAL DEFENSE
PLAYER TCKL SOLO ASST SCK FUM REC FF
Joey Porter 55 40 15 7.0 0 0
Tully Banta-Cain 34 24 10 5.5 0 1


Comparing what they did last year isnt fair....Banta-Cain has some potential, but it is kind fo weird for us to be picking up NE cast-offs.

SteelerFan87
03-05-2007, 05:39 PM
I'll say it again, I don't want TBC. According to Pats fans he's a pass rush specialist who practically can't do anything else, and isn't good enough to be a consistant starter.

K Train
03-05-2007, 06:02 PM
f'k that punter, just draft the dude from baylor in the sixth

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K Train
03-05-2007, 06:05 PM
According to Pats fans

PLEASE find other reasons than that!.....this could be very true....but come on lol

SteelerFan87
03-05-2007, 06:09 PM
PLEASE find other reasons than that!.....this could be very true....but come on lol

Well I've always had the opinon that he wasn't particularly great. This just confirms it. I mean, who would know more about a Pats player than Pats fans?

(The exception, of course, being ESPN, who have seen a side of Tom Brady that most (straight) fans really don't want to see.)

BlackGold4vr
03-05-2007, 06:12 PM
New England parts with Banta-Cain because they get a serious upgrade in Adalius Thomas (Pro-bowler) = team improved

Steelers pick up New England trash that isn't nearly as good as what we just discarded with Porter = team downgrade

What are there about 8 teams interested in Porter? The only teams looking at Banta-Cain are the dollar store shoppers!

When we let Joey go I thought it was because we were looking for an upgrade in player ability. You know how teams try to improve upon what they did last year by upgrading players at certain positions perceived to be weaknesses? Porter to Banta-Cain is not an upgrade. While there might be substantial savings to be had in making that swap.......remember the phrase "You get what you pay for"! :scratch:

SteelersfaninPhilly
03-05-2007, 06:20 PM
There is no gurantee we will sign banta-cain. Maybe if we do. He will step up his game. You never know.

K Train
03-05-2007, 06:23 PM
keep in mind we have never had huge name linebackers, LBs thrive in our defense, our defense made porter what he is....we have a tendency to plug a LB in and have success, sure Joey turned out to be a superstar player but who knows who can come in and do the same thing he did. Personally i think Harrison is porters replacement and i think hes a damn good one. I also think that Moss or spencer will come in and push haggans out.

We might be be better of with drafting an olb in the 1st and mabey the fourth because it didnt take long to go from stacked at LB to very thin.

BlitzburghRockCity
03-05-2007, 06:26 PM
Drafting a LB is the optimal situation for us because we can mold them into what we want them to be in our system. I hate being thin at that position so we may take one in FA just to bolster the depth but I really hope we grab 1 in the 1st round and atleast 2 overall in the draft.

BlackGold4vr
03-05-2007, 06:30 PM
Why not just draft a great OLB and let him play? Why are we looking to replace a high priced player through free agency? Could a player who isn't good enough to start on most teams be better than the countless players coming out of college this year with excellent football pedigrees? Banta-Cain was a 6th round draft choice 3 or 4 years ago. I can name a dozen or more players that I would rather have right out of college than this guy! Am I missing something or aren't the linebackers the key to running a successful 3-4 defense? We need another stud in there like an Anthony Spencer or a Paul Posluzny.......not a Banta-Cain! :yesnod:

BlackGold4vr
03-05-2007, 06:32 PM
keep in mind we have never had huge name linebackers, LBs thrive in our defense, our defense made porter what he is....we have a tendency to plug a LB in and have success, sure Joey turned out to be a superstar player but who knows who can come in and do the same thing he did. Personally i think Harrison is porters replacement and i think hes a damn good one. I also think that Moss or spencer will come in and push haggans out.

I suppose our 3-4 defense is nothing like the 3-4 defense that Banta-Cain was so mediocre in? :scratch:

BlackGold4vr
03-05-2007, 06:34 PM
Drafting a LB is the optimal situation for us because we can mold them into what we want them to be in our system. I hate being thin at that position so we may take one in FA just to bolster the depth but I really hope we grab 1 in the 1st round and atleast 2 overall in the draft.

:plus1:

One in the first round and another early on day 2!

Black@Gold Forever32
03-05-2007, 06:49 PM
If I'm the Steelers I would explore signing Tully Banta-Cain or even Antwan Peek. They need depth at the position even if they draft an OLB. Plus think Clark Haggans is going to be a free agent and I doubt he will be resigned. So it would wise to bring in a free agent and draft a player to give them a year under our system.

SteelerFan87
03-05-2007, 06:54 PM
Hmm, now that I think about it, there would be ONE good thing about signing TBC. If he somehow turns out to be good in the Steelers system, we can laugh at the Pats and have an answer for that ******* Vrabel. :lol:

As for the draft, I think that's crucial. We can't afford another Alonzo Jackson. :banging:

Black@Gold Forever32
03-05-2007, 07:01 PM
Hmm, now that I think about it, there would be ONE good thing about signing TBC. If he somehow turns out to be good in the Steelers system, we can laugh at the Pats and have an answer for that ******* Vrabel. :lol:

As for the draft, I think that's crucial. We can't afford another Alonzo Jackson. :banging:

Never say the name Alonzo Jackson again.:bluelol: Oh God you know how bad that would be if the Steelers draft Spencer or Moss and they turn out to be another Alonzo Jackson.lol

I wouldn't mind taking a chance on Cain or Peek. The Steelers have some depth concerns and those two seem to be the best left of the free agent OLB.

So Tomlin/Colbert basically have to hit a home run when they draft a DE turned OLB. The track record of the Steelers doing this speaks for itself but that name I don't want to type haunts the Steelers.lol

BlitzburghRockCity
03-05-2007, 07:35 PM
This draft is so very important it's just amazing. Every draft is important to our growth and continued ability to be competitive, but this year with us being thin at LB and needing OL help we need to be right on with every day 1 pick and as many day 2 picks as possible. We can't afford to pick up 5 day 2 picks and then cut them all before the season starts again.

K Train
03-05-2007, 07:38 PM
and with a new coach it shouldnt happen like that

Black@Gold Forever32
03-05-2007, 07:39 PM
This draft is so very important it's just amazing. Every draft is important to our growth and continued ability to be competitive, but this year with us being thin at LB and needing OL help we need to be right on with every day 1 pick and as many day 2 picks as possible. We can't afford to pick up 5 day 2 picks and then cut them all before the season starts again.

Well I'm confident that Tomlin won't waste any picks. Not to say Cowher wasted them. But Bill Cowher seemed to like taking projects late in the draft the last few years instead of looking for players that could contribute on special teams or as backups. The Steelers can't do that anymore. Hopefully the Steelers pick up a few extra picks since they lost El, Kimo and Chris Hope in free agency last year. Just make all the draft picks count and I will be happy.

Koopa
03-05-2007, 08:29 PM
why do ppl bring up Alonzo Jackson??? he was a second round draft pick....were y'all expecting god????

lets just draft moss, let him learn a year and let harrison step up and finally get a real chance to produce, let haggans walk and we'll be set in 08

i doubt we win it all next year anyway.........

K Train
03-05-2007, 08:31 PM
how about **** haggans, let harrison and moss/spencer play

BlitzburghRockCity
03-05-2007, 08:35 PM
why do ppl bring up Alonzo Jackson??? he was a second round draft pick....were y'all expecting god????

lets just draft moss, let him learn a year and let harrison step up and finally get a real chance to produce, let haggans walk and we'll be set in 08

i doubt we win it all next year anyway.........

Dude, a 2nd round pick is supposed to be able to contribute in a big way, many 2nd round picks are 1st round picks on some teams draft boards. We blew a high draft pick on the guy who was a complete bust. You can't have 2nd round picks flopping like that.

Koopa
03-05-2007, 08:39 PM
Dude, a 2nd round pick is supposed to be able to contribute in a big way, many 2nd round picks are 1st round picks on some teams draft boards. We blew a high draft pick on the guy who was a complete bust. You can't have 2nd round picks flopping like that.

well when you have cowher picking you should expect it :lol: remember coc??? lol

Black@Gold Forever32
03-05-2007, 09:31 PM
why do ppl bring up Alonzo Jackson??? he was a second round draft pick....were y'all expecting god????

lets just draft moss, let him learn a year and let harrison step up and finally get a real chance to produce, let haggans walk and we'll be set in 08

i doubt we win it all next year anyway.........

No we were not expecting God but hello Koopa.

Greg Lloyd was a 6th
Chad Brown was a 2nd
Jason Gildon was a 3rd
Joey Porter was a 4th

All those players developed into very good OLB for the Steelers. So we just expected Alonzo Jackson to be the next one of those. You don't hit on them all. But Tomlin/Colbert have to hit a homerun on Moss/Spencer or whoever if they want to run the 3-4. The LB's make the defense work. True the Dline is very important also in a 3-4 but the LB's make the 3-4 defense dominant.

BlitzburghRockCity
03-05-2007, 10:21 PM
All those players developed into very good OLB for the Steelers. So we just expected Alonzo Jackson to be the next one of those. You don't hit on them all. But Tomlin/Colbert have to hit a homerun on Moss/Spencer or whoever if they want to run the 3-4. The LB's make the defense work. True the Dline is very important also in a 3-4 but the LB's make the 3-4 defense dominant.

:iagree: With this team a bit on the edge right now and going through changes already, we can't afford to miss on our top picks on day 1. The draft is all a crap shoot but we need to get ourselves the best shot at a sure thing in each round as possible.