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BlitzburghRockCity
03-02-2007, 07:08 AM
http://news.steelers.com/article/74289/

That's the official article from steelers.com that we've all read by now Im sure but let's think about this for a minute. It was eluded too in Joey's official release thread and we all know Koopa blames Colbert because he's all up in Tomlin's jock :lol:

Seriously though, this can very well be more of a power move by Tomlin to lay down the law early with this team, let them know nobody is safe, it doesn't matter who you are. Sure Porter was controversial, that much is clear but the guy made plays, was a leader, and dedicated teammate to the end who always had the back of his fellow black n gold players.

It's not uncommon for a new coach to come in, especially one who's not well known and doesn't have any HC experience to step up early and make a move to signify that's he's here and in charge whether we as fans like it or not. If Tomlin really wanted Joey and felt like he was a vital part of this teams success in his (Tomlins') eyes, then it doesn't matter what the cap says, Joey would still be here and he'd have gotten his bonus or a new contract by now. The fact is that Colbert is calling this a cap move, which it may very well be to some extent, but IMO this is more of Tomlin asserting himself and trying to head off any controversy before it starts, in his new regime.

BlackGold4vr
03-02-2007, 08:40 AM
If Joey had to be the sacrificial lamb to give us the salary cap to sign Troy and Alan Faneca to new deals? So be it! 5 million against the salary cap this year for Joey would have been too much! And there were no indications from Porter that he would have been willing to take less in a restructured deal! Lets wait until all the chips fall before casting our judgements! :scratch:

BlitzburghRockCity
03-02-2007, 08:44 AM
Nobody is casting judgements, Im just stating that there's more to this than meets the eye with Colbert saying it was definitely cap related. There's articles and commentary all over the media stating both sides of the story that is cap related or that it was a move of just going in another direction. Joey could count 10 million against the cap but if Tomlin really wanted him that bad, he'd still be here, that's all Im saying. It's still up in the air if this was a good move for us to make. Personally I don't believe it was necessary to cut Joey but thats JMO, some agree with it and some don't so we'll see as 2007 unfolds and beyond how our LB's pan out for us.

Releasing being right or wrong is up for debate as we've been doing all night last night and now into the morning and long after today Im sure, but it's a fact that we could have been under the cap with Joey's money already figured in, and releasing him got us further under the cap and gave us more room yes, but we didn't need to release him to get under it in the first place. Again let's make it clear here that for me, Im not saying I dislike Tomlin for this move whatsoever, Im hoping and praying he is the coach we all want him to be and are counting on him to be and I'll support the Steelers no matter who is on the field for them, I just don't agree with the move of releasing him.

I want Troy, Kreider, and Faneca signed as much as anyone, they are most definitely a top priority this offseason for us.

steelcurtaingal
03-02-2007, 09:33 AM
I have to sadly say that it was the right thing to do. he was a good player, but he would have cost an awful lot, and we need to remeber, this is Tomlin's team. I would say that no matter who was the coach though, we would have been released. i wish him luck, and cant wait till september.

Friday133
03-02-2007, 11:14 AM
I would pass on Faneca too. Again its going to be a tough decision.

AZ_Steeler
03-02-2007, 11:15 AM
It's hard to believe that Tomlin is trying to make a statement... When LB's start to get up here in age and it seems they have reached their peak the Steelers always cut them. The Steelers are pretty good about knowing when a player is on the downside and rather than try and keep them around they just let them go. Porter will end up playing somewhere else and we'll see that the right move was made. Don't take this wrong because I like Porter just as much as the next guy but it really had to be done.

BlitzburghRockCity
03-02-2007, 12:30 PM
We've let a ton of LB's go after the last 15 years and generally it's worked out well in the long term for us because we've always had able bodies ready to take over, but in this case I think Porter should have stuck around with us since Haggans is sub par and Harrison is always hurt. We'll see what happens :towelwave:

dick rasile
03-02-2007, 12:41 PM
Power move? Man I don't care what you guys call it, I've been around long enough to know that this so called Tomlin statement only shows that he has much to learn about the kind of players it takes to play and win Steeler Football.
I've looked at his record and the kind of wins he had and I'll tell you right now it's going to take him four years to catch up with the level us real fans know and expect. Hell, if the tight *** steelers didn't want to go with the coaches that we had, then why didn't they find someone from the college ranks.
I'll give odds that this pretender Tomlin won't last five years.
The Steeler TV stock suffered last year and one more bad start and us guys outside of the Pittsburgh area will only be able to watch them a few times a year.
I wonder sometimes if the Steeler Brass knows just how many Steeler fans they have that live outside of the Pittsburgh area. A cut down in the national game broadcast will effect a whole mess of young kids that will be buying other teams jerseys

Black@Gold Forever32
03-02-2007, 02:15 PM
We talked about this last night Top and we were on the same page that Tomlin probably played a part in Porter being cut. But thats what HC's do. They decisions based on what they feel is best for the team. I don't blame Colbert or Tomlin. Its just part of the business of Pro Football.

BlitzburghRockCity
03-02-2007, 03:33 PM
yeah I was thinking about this last night when I was trying to fall asleep, which by the way didn't work out too well :lol:

It's part of the business, Porter was not the first nor will he be the last, but it sure sux when it happens none the less.

BlackGold4vr
03-02-2007, 03:45 PM
I've looked at his record and the kind of wins he had and I'll tell you right now it's going to take him four years to catch up with the level us real fans know and expect. Hell, if the tight *** steelers didn't want to go with the coaches that we had, then why didn't they find someone from the college ranks. I'll give odds that this pretender Tomlin won't last five years.

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The Steeler TV stock suffered last year and one more bad start and us guys outside of the Pittsburgh area will only be able to watch them a few times a year.

Real Steeler fans outside the Pittsburgh area buy the NFL season ticket with Direct TV! That way you watch EVERY game! I would take a second job if that's what I had to do to pay for it! The NFL season would be meaningless to me if I wasn't watching the Black & Gold! Not sure where Dick Rasile is from but Steeler Nation is thriving in SoCal!

:towelwave: :towelwave: :towelwave: :towelwave:

Ambridge
03-02-2007, 04:15 PM
Another theory I heard bantered about is that Tomlin is going to slowly transition into the 4-3 defense........and that Joey doesn't fit the bill as linebacker in a 4-3 scheme so it doesn't make a much sense to extend his contract for the future to have him in a system that's not best for him and/or the Steelers.

Koopa
03-02-2007, 05:14 PM
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Real Steeler fans outside the Pittsburgh area buy the NFL season ticket with Direct TV! That way you watch EVERY game! I would take a second job if that's what I had to do to pay for it! The NFL season would be meaningless to me if I wasn't watching the Black & Gold! Not sure where Dick Rasile is from but Steeler Nation is thriving in SoCal!

:towelwave: :towelwave: :towelwave: :towelwave:

so does that mean i'm not a real steelers fan cause i can't afford nfl season ticket??????


also, wtf, to the dude you quoted??? a coach from the college rank??? that would've been a stupid move, please don't dumb down this forum with stupid **** like that

K Train
03-02-2007, 05:20 PM
it might be good tomlin is letting it be known hes in charge, personally i think this was a cap move because its been seen before.....we refuse to overpay one player. I would really hope they lock up troy and do it soon

TEEMONT
03-02-2007, 06:00 PM
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Real Steeler fans outside the Pittsburgh area buy the NFL season ticket with Direct TV! That way you watch EVERY game! I would take a second job if that's what I had to do to pay for it! The NFL season would be meaningless to me if I wasn't watching the Black & Gold! Not sure where Dick Rasile is from but Steeler Nation is thriving in SoCal!

:towelwave: :towelwave: :towelwave: :towelwave:
Actually no, just because you wasste money on hundreds of football games, to only watch 16 doesnt make you a real fan. I go to the bar every week, where they have about 16 games on a day, that I watch for free. Unless the Steelers are scoring a lot, then I get way drunk. Screw season ticket, they only provide for idiots with dishes anyways...lol.

BBG7
03-02-2007, 06:16 PM
Actually no, just because you wasste money on hundreds of football games, to only watch 16 doesnt make you a real fan. I go to the bar every week, where they have about 16 games on a day, that I watch for free. Unless the Steelers are scoring a lot, then I get way drunk. Screw season ticket, they only provide for idiots with dishes anyways...lol.

I was just going to say I used to go to the bar every Steelers game. I have Sunday Ticket now, but going to the bar is always fun. I know what you mean though...bad playing can lead to getting trashed very quickly...but it's still fun!

TampaSteelGirl
03-02-2007, 06:17 PM
I just can't even comment because I'm still mad about this!:willybs:

Black@Gold Forever32
03-02-2007, 06:28 PM
Actually no, just because you wasste money on hundreds of football games, to only watch 16 doesnt make you a real fan. I go to the bar every week, where they have about 16 games on a day, that I watch for free. Unless the Steelers are scoring a lot, then I get way drunk. Screw season ticket, they only provide for idiots with dishes anyways...lol.

Dude NFL Sunday Ticket isn't a waste. I get to see the Stillers every Sunday. I know I can go to Buffalo Wild Wings or a bar to watch the games. But I like staying in my house to watch the games. My family comes over and we have a great time.

During Steelers games I'm a raging manic. A bar couldn't deal with me during a game. I know I would be kicked out.:bluelol:

DIESELMAN
03-02-2007, 06:32 PM
I don't think it was a power move by Tomlin, I feel he's pretty much done the power move by revamping damn near the entire coaching staff. This was for more cap room, getting rid of Porter freed up almost 6 mil and gave us some breathing room. We've seen this done before and it is hard to swallow, some of the players we've grown used to seeing playing with the Black and Gold eventually have to be let go for one reason or another, its big business at its finest.

TEEMONT
03-02-2007, 06:33 PM
During Steelers games I'm a raging manic. A bar couldn't deal with me during a game. I know I would be kicked out.:bluelol:

My wife wont even go with me anymore. I have some really good stories.

For me personally, I would rather watch the game at the bar, I liek the atmosphere.

Black@Gold Forever32
03-02-2007, 06:34 PM
I don't think it was a power move by Tomlin, I feel he's pretty much done the power move by revamping damn near the entire coaching staff. This was for more cap room, getting rid of Porter freed up almost 6 mil and gave us some breathing room. We've seen this done before and it is hard to swallow, some of the players we've grown used to seeing playing with the Black and Gold eventually have to be let go for one reason or another, its big business at its finest.

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Exactly Diesel, thats the sad part of Pro Sports today. You can't keep the same team together anymore like the good old days. It is what it is.

BlackGold4vr
03-02-2007, 07:12 PM
so does that mean i'm not a real steelers fan cause i can't afford nfl season ticket??????

also, wtf, to the dude you quoted??? a coach from the college rank??? that would've been a stupid move, please don't dumb down this forum with stupid **** like that


That guy is a clown! C'mon that name has to be a farce too! [Dick Ras ile] is that like Dick Wrestle? So Koop.....do you only get to watch the Steeler games that are nationally televised or do you go to a sportsbar somewhere to watch the black&gold? :lol:

BlitzburghRockCity
03-02-2007, 07:16 PM
Eventually you won't have to worry about the NFL sunday ticket being for Dish only because the NFL will make it available to cable and dish subscribers in the near future.

Remember folks, the cable TV giants have alot more clout and influence than the dish companies do, and alot more money to spend.

Captcoolhand
03-02-2007, 08:51 PM
Cap Casualty for sure:yesnod: Even Porter said that he understood and that no matter what, He has no hard feeling, that he will always love the Steelers.

Koopa
03-02-2007, 09:05 PM
Cap Casualty for sure:yesnod: Even Porter said that he understood and that no matter what, He has no hard feeling, that he will always love the Steelers.

that's because porter is a straight up CLASSY guy...... i wish porter the best off success unless he stays in the afc lol

BlacknGold Bleeder
03-02-2007, 09:08 PM
Nothing but a cap casualty. His comments about not being paid enough sealed his fate. If he wants a big payday he'll have to get it somewhere else. If he wanted more from STEELERS he should have done it earlier in his career.

Koopa
03-02-2007, 09:09 PM
That guy is a clown! C'mon that name has to be a farce too! [Dick Ras ile] is that like Dick Wrestle? So Koop.....do you only get to watch the Steeler games that are nationally televised or do you go to a sportsbar somewhere to watch the black&gold? :lol:

pretty much only national games......i live in a small town, we have i guess one bar and all they show is the cowboys games...... when they ain't on tv i just come on here and stay on nfl.com lol...... this year, i became friends with a dude at school that has nfl season ticket, but he's a seahawk fan and his wife is a bitch so i only got to see the ravens game at his house :lol:

BlitzburghRockCity
03-02-2007, 09:12 PM
Dude, what kinda town in the USA only has 1 bar ! :lol: Most towns have more bars than grocery stores and gas stations combined :lol:

BlackGold4vr
03-02-2007, 09:37 PM
Back in the 60's and 70's when those steel mills were in full production the town of Ambridge had 100's of bars. Every ethnic community had their own drinking clubs or bars that they hung out in. I swear every city block had 5 or 6 bars on it! Too bad I was too young to drink back then! :lol:

Feel sorry for ya Koopa! You should put an add in the paper asking if there are any Black & Gold fans in the area! Can't believe you are the only one! Surely someone in that town is tuned into the Steeler game and is kicked back in the recliner, cold suds in hand, rooting on the black and gold! :tt02: I'd invite you over if you lived in my town!

Koopa
03-02-2007, 09:53 PM
Back in the 60's and 70's when those steel mills were in full production the town of Ambridge had 100's of bars. Every ethnic community had their own drinking clubs or bars that they hung out in. I swear every city block had 5 or 6 bars on it! Too bad I was too young to drink back then! :lol:

Feel sorry for ya Koopa! You should put an add in the paper asking if there are any Black & Gold fans in the area! Can't believe you are the only one! Surely someone in that town is tuned into the Steeler game and is kicked back in the recliner, cold suds in hand, rooting on the black and gold! :tt02: I'd invite you over if you lived in my town!

wednesday i was walking to class and a janitor had on a steelers cap lol...... and i have a friend that is a steelers fan but he lives in the dorms and can't afford sunday ticket either lol..... my uncles girlfriend is a "fan" she's from PA so as soon as they won the superbowl her house became decked out with steelers stuff, but they are bastard ppl and have dish network........ we are supposedly getting a buffalo wild wings here, so hopefully they'll get the games and i'll just go chill there on sundays lol.....although they might wanna give me plastic stuff cause i might break something in the heat of the game lol

Black@Gold Forever32
03-02-2007, 09:55 PM
wednesday i was walking to class and a janitor had on a steelers cap lol...... and i have a friend that is a steelers fan but he lives in the dorms and can't afford sunday ticket either lol..... my uncles girlfriend is a "fan" she's from PA so as soon as they won the superbowl her house became decked out with steelers stuff, but they are bastard ppl and have dish network........ we are supposedly getting a buffalo wild wings here, so hopefully they'll get the games and i'll just go chill there on sundays lol.....although they might wanna give me plastic stuff cause i might break something in the heat of the game lol

Koopa, if you lived close to me man you could come over to my house and watch the games no problem. Only problem Indiana is a bit to far from Texas.:bluelol:

Koopa
03-02-2007, 09:58 PM
Koopa, if you lived close to me man you could come over to my house and watch the games no problem. Only problem Indiana is a bit to far from Texas.:bluelol:

i'll start walking now, i'll be there superbowl sunday lol

BlitzburghRockCity
03-02-2007, 10:22 PM
If you get a wild wings or something they usually have enough TV's that if you call ahead they'll reserve a game for ya to watch.

Black@Gold Forever32
03-02-2007, 10:28 PM
i'll start walking now, i'll be there superbowl sunday lol

:bluelol:Just saying Koop I will always have the NFL ticket unless I move back to the Burgh and if you're in the area then drop by house anytime.lol

tony hipchest
03-02-2007, 11:47 PM
joeys market value is more than the steelers were willing to pay. this much is sure. joey at $5 mil for 1 year, wouldve been a discount as far as market value and league standards are concerned.

joey is worth more to a team looking to break into the 3-4 rather than a team looking to break away from it. but ultimately porter was looked at as the leader, spokesman, the mouth of the steelers.

well there is a new leader, a new sherrif in town, and his name is tomlin, and im sure he doesnt want to have to speak over anybody when hes trying to "conduct class".

although i dont think he wouldve intentionally, porter couldve easilly been a divisive force in the locker room if he wasnt given a rich extension.

this move clearly shows whos boss and players like faneca and ward better figure it out quick or they will be "salary cap casualties" next season too. they may be either way. both are really expensive players as far as the steelers are concerned.

BlitzburghRockCity
03-03-2007, 12:00 AM
Hines and Alan are not the vocal leaders that Joey is. Both of them however better step up and take on a bigger leadership role this year than they've done in the past because in the last 2 years we've lost 2 great leaders in Jerome and now Joey. Every team needs leaders on the field and in the locker room. The HC is always the ultimate leader but he's not on the field and in the huddle, you have to have players that step up and be accounted for and someone that the rest of the guys can look up too.