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Stairwayto7
02-19-2007, 12:29 PM
You get One and only ONE vote. Who in your opinion is the greatest player ever. I`ll start, be careful this might date some of you.

Football
Offense? Dan Marino
Defense? Jack Lambert

Basketball
Michael Jordan.

Baseball

Pitcher? Nolan Ryan
Hitter ? Barry Bonds

Hockey

Mario , Wayne was great but come on its Mario

Nascar driver

Dale Earnhardt

BlackGold4vr
02-19-2007, 12:37 PM
Football
Offense - Jim Brown
Defense - Dick Butkus

Basketball
Bill Russell (11 NBA Championships)

Baseball
Pitcher - Cy Young
Hitter - Babe Ruth (Did it without steroids)

Hockey
Wayne Gretsky

Nascar
"The King" Richard Petty

Boxing
Muhammed Ali

Steelersfan
02-19-2007, 12:41 PM
Football
Offense? Jerry Rice
Defense? Rod Woodson

Basketball
Jordan (Bird and Magic right there too)

Baseball

Pitcher? Roger Clemens
Hitter ? Ted Williams

Hockey

Heart says Mario but Gretzky had a longer and better career.

Nascar driver

Richard Petty

Black@Gold Forever32
02-19-2007, 01:34 PM
Wow this is tough.

Football
Offense-Walter Payton
Defense-Deacon Jones

Baseball
Hitter-Willie Mays-The best all around player ever.
Pitcher-Sandy Koufax/Bob Gibson I have to have a lefty and a righty

Basketball-Michael Jordan

Hockey-Wayne Gretzky

Boxing-Joe Louis

TampaSteelGirl
02-19-2007, 01:49 PM
Football
Jack Lambert

Hockey
Mario!!!

Nascar
Harry Gant

Boxing
Sugar Ray Leonard

Don't really care for Basketball or Baseball-boring...

BlitzburghRockCity
02-19-2007, 02:02 PM
Football
Offense-Walter Payton
Defense- Dick Butkus

Baseball
Hitter-Willie Mays
Pitcher-Nolan Ryan

Basketball-Michael Jordan

Hockey-Toss up between Super Mario & Wayne Gretzky

Boxing-Rocky Balboa :greengrin:

NASCAR - Hell I don't know, probably DE I guess.

Stairwayto7
02-19-2007, 02:11 PM
Football
Jack Lambert

Hockey
Mario!!!

Nascar
Harry Gant

Boxing
Sugar Ray Leonard

Don't really care for Basketball or Baseball-boring...

Hey! Harry Gant, i wanted to say Harry " Skoal Bandit" Gant but couldnt get over Earnhardt

floodcitygirl
02-19-2007, 02:25 PM
football Lambert

baseball Clemente (As a person...not just the stats)

basketball Jordan

I don't know enough about the others to have an opinion.

TampaSteelGirl
02-19-2007, 02:40 PM
Hey! Harry Gant, i wanted to say Harry " Skoal Bandit" Gant but couldnt get over Earnhardt

HAHAHAHA! I loved Harry Gant!! When he stopped racing, I stopped watching. I still have a T-shirt signed by him and a street sign signed by him. Glad to see another Gant fan!

Black@Gold Forever32
02-19-2007, 02:45 PM
football Lambert

baseball Clemente (As a person...not just the stats)

basketball Jordan

I don't know enough about the others to have an opinion.

Roberto Clemente great choice Flood. Thats my Dad's alltime favorite baseball player. So I know all about the late great Roberto Clemente. I have read alot about the life of Roberto Clemente.

BlitzburghRockCity
02-19-2007, 03:25 PM
I thought about saying this guy but Im too young to remember him. My brother and dad say he was one of the best ever. Cale Yarborough

http://www.juniorjohnson.org/images/cale_th.jpg

TampaSteelGirl
02-19-2007, 03:30 PM
I thought about saying this guy but Im too young to remember him. My brother and dad say he was one of the best ever. Cale Yarborough

http://www.juniorjohnson.org/images/cale_th.jpg

OMG! I totally remember him. I use to really like him as well!!! He's a great guy and a great driver!!

steelcurtain09
02-19-2007, 04:27 PM
Football
Offense - Dan Marino
Defense - Lawrence Taylor (the real LT)

Basketball
Michael Jordan.

Baseball
Pitcher -
Hitter - Hank Aaron

Hockey

Wayne Gretzky

Nascar driver

The Intimidator

PsychoWard
02-19-2007, 06:43 PM
Football
offense-barry sanders
defense-lambert

Basketball
Jordan

Baseball
pitcher- nolan ryan
hitter-griffey (i just love his swing)

Hockey
Mario

Boxing
Tyson (in his younger years before he turned Psycho)

Stairwayto7
02-19-2007, 07:26 PM
Football
Offense - Jim Brown
Defense - Dick Butkus

Basketball
Bill Russell (11 NBA Championships)

Baseball
Pitcher - Cy Young
Hitter - Babe Ruth (Did it without steroids)

Hockey
Wayne Gretsky

Nascar
"The King" Richard Petty

Boxing
Muhammed Ali


How do you know that he did it without steroids??? Any proof?? No proof that Bonds did?

I love America! Innocent until proven guilty.

BlackGold4vr
02-19-2007, 08:26 PM
How do you know that he did it without steroids??? Any proof?? No proof that Bonds did?

I love America! Innocent until proven guilty.

I can't believe I have stumbled upon the only person in America who actually believes Bonds lies! Dude, he has admitted to a grand jury that he was using. You probably believe that Mark MacGuire and Sammy Sosa are innocent too! Its the friggin politics of the whole steroids mess that is despicable. You probably also believe that the brown sticky substance in Mike Vicks hidden compartment water bottle wasn't a banned substance because they told you so! Wake up! Won't be the 1st time a rich & famous person buys their way out of trouble and it won't be the last! How did Teddy Kennedy drive his car off the road while drunk into a river, saved himself but not his date, ran home and made up an alibi that he wasn't even there and was never charged with a crime when it was proven he was in the car and was driving! Im sure police would have treated us the same way had we done that. As im sure if we were snagged in an airport trying to smuggle a mystery substance onto an airplane we would still be allowed to board and continue on with our trip.........yeah right! Wake up! MLB players all know that the loopholes in their drug testing policies are huge gaping ones! Why does the players union get involved in negotiations concerning drug testing policies? Why isn't there on demand random testing? Players union won't allow it! Hey, there is no tooth fairy, Santa Claus or Easter Bunny! But I don't have the 5X8 glossies to prove that either so I guess you can keep on believin! :rofl:

House of Steel
02-19-2007, 08:39 PM
Football
Offensively: Johnny Unitas, Terry Bradshaw Defensively: Jack Lambert, Mean Joe Greene, Lawerence Taylor.

Basketball
Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Ervin Magic Johnson, Scottie Pippen, Wilt Chamberlin.

Baseball

Pitcher? Nolan Ryan, Sandy Koufax, Orel Hirschieser
Hitter ? Babe Ruth, Joe DiMaggio, Shoeless Joe Jackson

Hockey

Mario definitely with Wayne Gretsky right behind, I also put Yzerman there too.

Nascar driver: The INTIMIDATOR Dale Earnhardt Sr.

Boxing: Classius Clay

Golf: Tiger Woods and Annika Sorenstam

Tennis: Martina Navatilova

Indy Car Racing: Mario Andretti

House of Steel
02-19-2007, 08:42 PM
I thought about saying this guy but Im too young to remember him. My brother and dad say he was one of the best ever. Cale Yarborough

http://www.juniorjohnson.org/images/cale_th.jpg

OMG, Matt, that is a great one. Cale Yarborough, Richard Petty, Darrell Waltrip, and Buddy Baker used to go at it all the time. Yarborough dominated Winston Cup Series all the time over Petty. Those were the good days of NASCAR. I think Dale SR. couldn't stand Yarborough either.

BlackGold4vr
02-19-2007, 09:25 PM
How do you know that he did it without steroids??? Any proof?? No proof that Bonds did?

I love America! Innocent until proven guilty.

George Herman Ruth, Jr. (February 6, 1895 August 16, 1948), also known as "Babe", "The Great Bambino", "The Sultan of Swat", and "The Colossus of Clout", was an American Major League baseball player from 1914-1935.

The use of anabolic steroids by athletes is relatively new. Testosterone was first synthesized in the 1930's and was introduced into the sporting arena in the 1940's and 1950's.

When the Russian weight lifting team thanks, in part, to synthetic testosterone-walked off with a pile of medals at the 1952 Olympics, an American physician determined that U. S. competitors should have the same advantage.

By 1958 a U.S. pharmaceutical firm had developed anabolic steroids. Although the physician soon realized the drug had unwanted side effects, it was too late to halt its spread into the sports world.

Early users were mainly bodybuilders, weight lifters, football players, and discus, shot put, or javelin throwers-competitors who relied heavily on bulk and strength.

During the 1970's demand grew as athletes in other sports sought the competitive edge that anabolic steroids seemed to provide.

By the 1980's, as non athletes also discovered the body-enhancing properties of steroids, a black market began to flourish for the illegal production and sale of the drugs for nonmedical purposes.

Would have been very difficult for Babe Ruth to do drugs that had not been invented yet. Maybe he was a basement chemist......:lol: But im sure that Barry Bonds own personal trainer who went to prison for being a steroids dealer who Bonds has said introduced him to "the cream" had a very innocent aquaintance. I guess he was one of the guys ONLY clients not using! Also a HUGE coincidence that Bonds power numbers went through the roof during the time this guy was his personal trainer.


Greg Anderson started Barry Bonds on Winstrol after the 1998 season. It was also known as Stanozolol, the old favorite of body builders, infamous as the drug that brought down Ben Johnson. Anderson provided the steroids and syringes and injected Bonds's backside, although Bonds eventually learned how to inject himself. Anderson began keeping calendars to track Bonds's drug cycle: If a user didn't come off steroids periodically, his body would lose the ability to produce testosterone naturally. Anderson held the unused drugs. There was to be no stash at Bonds's house or in his locker.

For the first time in his life, Bonds was buff. He often stood in front of a mirror, laughing, saying, "How do I look?" By spring training, his weight had increased from around 210 to 225, and almost all of the gain was rock-hard muscle. When he showed up a day late at the Giants' spring training camp in Scottsdale, Ariz., in 1999, angry at the club for refusing to renegotiate his contract, the change in Bonds's physique was startling. Around the Giants, they took to referring to Bonds as "the Incredible Hulk." When Bonds took batting practice, he was driving the ball farther than he ever had before. To teammates, writers and fans in Scottsdale that spring, and especially to Giants management, Bonds's appearance and performance raised a fundamental question: What in hell had he been doing in the off-season? Sportswriters didn't press the question. Most attributed the changes in Bonds's body to a heavy workout regimen, as though a 34-year-old man could gain 15 pounds of muscle in 100 days without drugs.

In the Giants' new park, there would be new drugs. Anderson put Bonds on Deca, the gym rats' name for Deca-Durabolin. Like Winstrol, it was a bodybuilder's injectable steroid, used in medicine to treat anemia associated with kidney failure. Eventually, Anderson started Bonds on human growth hormone (HGH), the synthetic drug being touted by cosmetic surgeons as an anti-aging miracle. Injecting HGH was tricky and painful: Rather than plunging the syringe into a big muscle, the user pinched a bit of skin on the belly with thumb and forefinger and carefully put the needle into the flap. Like a steroid, Growth could help the user increase muscle mass. But it was also thought to strengthen joints and connective tissue and thus was often cocktailed with Deca or other steroids.

Bonds especially liked growth hormone. It allowed him to maintain his impressive musculature without intensive training. That was important because he was doing well to manage 15 or 20 minutes of pumping iron each day during the season, and that wasn't nearly enough to keep one's body looking like a locomotive. But with HGH, Bonds remained buff and more energized to train, yet he felt more flexible. There was an added benefit to the new drug regimen: Bonds stopped complaining about his eyes. At age 35, he felt better than he had in years.

On most mornings in Scottsdale, before leaving to work out, Bonds would grab his "man bag,"which was full of what seemed to be medications, and summon Anderson. "I've got to go talk to him for a minute," Bonds would say, and then the two men would go into the master bedroom and close the door.

Bonds's physical changes during this time were consistent with steroid use. His hair fell out, and he began shaving his head. Perhaps it was her imagination, but the head itself seemed to be getting larger, and the plates of his skull bones stood out in bold relief. Bonds's back broke out in acne, and he would stand in front of the bathroom mirror and say, "Oh, my God, I don't know where this is coming from." Bonds also suffered sexual dysfunction, another common side effect of steroid use.

Bonds became more quick-tempered. When his anger at Bell flared now, he would grab her, stand close to her and whisper intimidating, hurtful things. He insisted on knowing where she was at every hour of the day or night. If he couldn't find her, he would become enraged, and he told her he would kill her if he found she was seeing someone else. Her social life evaporated. He called her so many times at work that her boss began to complain. And his rages became increasingly violent.

But the source of Barry Bonds's newfound power wasn't God at all. It was growth hormone and Greg Anderson. And now new drugs known as the Cream and the Clear.

After the 2000 season ended, Anderson had wanted someone to introduce him to Victor Conte. Conte was the owner of a once-failing business that finally seemed to have turned a corner, thanks largely to sales of ZMA, a legal supplement that was of dubious value but was endorsed by several prominent athletes in exchange for the highly effective -- though illegal -- performance- enhancing drugs Conte provided by way of his network of sophisticated chemists and suppliers. The gross income of Conte's company in 2000, according to court records, was $1.18 million, up from $42,820 two years earlier. BALCO was around the corner from World Gym in Burlingame, where Anderson spent virtually every waking hour and where he trained Bonds. Anderson had learned of Conte's reputation as an innovator in the business of performance-enhancing drugs.

These are exerpts from the book "game of shadows"
Don't worry Clevestinks.....the Easter Bunny can still exist for you! :rofl:

Black@Gold Forever32
02-19-2007, 10:04 PM
Well I'm not sticking up for the roided up freaks of today in Baseball. But baseball has changed alot since the days of Babe Ruth. Now I'm taking away from what Ruth did. He was a great pitcher before he became the first dominate hitter in baseball history from a average and power stand point. His lifetime .342 average and 714 home runs speak for themselves.

But Ruth used a 40 oz bat which would be illegal today. Plus in Ruths time pitchers didn't throw sliders. Ruth didn't have coast to coast trips like today's players. The Babe never played at night. Plus at a onetime in baseball history ground doubles counted as Home Runs which that rule was in place during some years in Ruths career.

Again I'm not taking away from the great things the Great Babe Ruth did. Just pointing out how Baseball has changed through the years and its hard to compare eras.

As for Bonds he was a great player before he took roids when he had a great combination of speed and power. Its just to bad he let his ego get in the way and he became the roided up freak he is today.

floodcitygirl
02-20-2007, 11:39 AM
Roberto Clemente great choice Flood. Thats my Dad's alltime favorite baseball player. So I know all about the late great Roberto Clemente. I have read alot about the life of Roberto Clemente.Thanks. I grew up hearing alot about him. I was really young when he was killed but I remember my whole town seemed like it was in mourning. My Dad was a huge baseball...and of course, Pirate fan.

Steelersfan
02-20-2007, 12:07 PM
Well I'm not sticking up for the roided up freaks of today in Baseball. But baseball has changed alot since the days of Babe Ruth. Now I'm taking away from what Ruth did. He was a great pitcher before he became the first dominate hitter in baseball history from a average and power stand point. His lifetime .342 average and 714 home runs speak for themselves.

But Ruth used a 40 oz bat which would be illegal today. Plus in Ruths time pitchers didn't throw sliders. Ruth didn't have coast to coast trips like today's players. The Babe never played at night. Plus at a onetime in baseball history ground doubles counted as Home Runs which that rule was in place during some years in Ruths career.

Again I'm not taking away from the great things the Great Babe Ruth did. Just pointing out how Baseball has changed through the years and its hard to compare eras.

As for Bonds he was a great player before he took roids when he had a great combination of speed and power. Its just to bad he let his ego get in the way and he became the roided up freak he is today.

32, a 40oz bat would be a disadvantage to players these days. They use lighter bats to get more bat speed which equals more power. I doubt most of the players could even get a 40oz bat around on a 90+ mph fastball.
Not arguing about Ruth vs Bonds vs steroids here. Just pointing out that it would be harder to hit with power with a bigger bat than it would be with a lighter one.

TEEMONT
02-20-2007, 12:35 PM
Football
Offense - Barry Sanders
Defense - Ronnie Lott

Basketball
Michael Jordan

Baseball

Pitcher - Roger Clemens
Hitter - Tony Gwynn

Hockey

Patrick Roy

Nascar driver
not a sport....

Black@Gold Forever32
02-20-2007, 02:27 PM
32, a 40oz bat would be a disadvantage to players these days. They use lighter bats to get more bat speed which equals more power. I doubt most of the players could even get a 40oz bat around on a 90+ mph fastball.
Not arguing about Ruth vs Bonds vs steroids here. Just pointing out that it would be harder to hit with power with a bigger bat than it would be with a lighter one.

Oh I agree SF lighter bats generate more bat speed. I played baseball so I prefered lighter bats. I was just pointing out how the game has changed so much since Ruths times. I'm not taking away from Babe Ruth. He is one of the alltime greats players in sports history. Its just amazing he could get that 40 oz monster around to hit the ball. I have seen Ruths 40 oz bat at Cooperstown. Which I'm just saying that size of a bat would be against MLB rules today.

SteelersfaninPhilly
02-20-2007, 03:40 PM
Football
Offense - Walter Payton
Defense - Rod Woodson

Basketball
Michael Jordan

Baseball

Pitcher - Nolan Ryan
Hitter - Hank Aaron

Hockey

Martin Brodeur

Nascar driver


Do not follow it

BlitzburghNation
02-20-2007, 06:03 PM
Football ----Off >>> Joe Montana
Def>>> Jack Lambert :tt02:

Basketball------Dr. J :clap:

Baseball----- Bo Jackson :bigthumb:

NHL--- :dunno:

NASCAR--------- Rusty Wallace :greengrin:

Steelersfan
02-21-2007, 12:08 AM
Oh I agree SF lighter bats generate more bat speed. I played baseball so I prefered lighter bats. I was just pointing out how the game has changed so much since Ruths times. I'm not taking away from Babe Ruth. He is one of the alltime greats players in sports history. Its just amazing he could get that 40 oz monster around to hit the ball. I have seen Ruths 40 oz bat at Cooperstown. Which I'm just saying that size of a bat would be against MLB rules today.

OK, I get ya. I thought you meant it gave Ruth the advantage.....:greengrin: I know first hand (still play mens softball) that I keep getting a lighter bat every year and that I would stink it up with a 38-40 oz bat and that is slow pitch!.....lol