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steelspikes
01-04-2015, 12:54 PM
The last four years of Mike Tomlin's eight year tenure have been more than a little disappointing compared to his first four years which featured two Superbowl runs. Since the SB XLV loss to Green Bay four years ago, the best the Steelers have managed is two one-and-dones.
But the solid defensive core Tomlin inherited is now, for all intents and purposes, done too. Guys like Polamalu, Harrison, and Ike, are really just shells of their former selves. Newer players in development don't seem to be panning out: Jarvis Jones and Cortez Allen to name just two. Mike Mitchell is looking more and more like a whiff, as far as free agent acquisitions go.

Our current defensive backfield is a patchwork of other teams' rejects. Meanwhile, the front seven is unable to bring pressure.
And while once feared, a blitzing Troy Polamalu is now categorized as a minor annoyance. In a nutshell, the Steelers are not even close to recapturing their Superbowl form of recent years. While they seem strong on offense, the defense needs a major injection of talent. Without a strong defense, the Steelers are just not the Steelers.

As winners of the AFC North the Steelers have reaped a killer schedule for next season. I don't see them having a winning season, or even a .500 record. What better time to begin the rebuilding phase?

Yes, Ben is great; he's led his team to two SB titles. But do you think he wants to suffer through a 2-3year rebuilding phase while in his prime? If he could fetch a Patrick Peterson from AZ, or some other star defensive player or two, why not go for it? Play Gradkowski for a year while developing Landry Jones or some other young QB.
For as good as Ben and this offense may be, this team is going nowhere without a stalwart defense.

cali_fan
01-04-2015, 01:03 PM
Just stop

SuperSteelers
01-04-2015, 01:08 PM
Deal Ben? I'm not really interested in going back to the days of Turnover Tommy, Bubby Brister, Kordell Stewart, Kent Graham, Mike Tomczak, Jim Miller, and Neil O'Donnell.

Clevelandsux
01-04-2015, 01:34 PM
Ok start Bruce gradkowski next year? When you have something intelligent say comeback to us.

Real Deal Steel
01-04-2015, 02:04 PM
If we had a front office with a plan and vision of how we could deal Ben and who we could get in the draft who would pan out. But we don't have a good enough front office. Particularly Colbert. Right now, Colbert looks like an absolute idiot in taking Shazier over Moseley.

coach
01-04-2015, 10:03 PM
So instead of drafting on 1 side of the ball, we trade a QB who successfully ran the offense this year and has 2 rings and hope that a back up QB, a previous 4th round pick who hasn't played or somebody we draft this year can take over and successfully run the O while we draft or acquire enough defensive players to become the old steelers? Not sure how realistic that is.

Clevelandsux
01-04-2015, 10:27 PM
The nucleus is there. Just need a few pieces, mainly on defense. The time will come when its time to look for bens replacement. But it's not right now. Ben could play until he's 40. It is time to cut ties with Harrison, Keisel, Ike and Troy. Time for guys like Shazier and Jones to step it up. Drop Mitchell, he's garbage. I say go all secondary in the draft. High picks.

Real Deal Steel
01-04-2015, 11:38 PM
We have so many levels of problems that I don't think we will win anything again until both Tomlin and Ben are gone. From inept drafting to inept head coaching to a defense that every offense in the league has a plan "A" for, ....just too many problems with a front office that refuses to understand that some old ways are not the best ways anymore. Just too many problems.

cali_fan
01-05-2015, 01:56 AM
This honestly might be the worst post of the year and it's ****ing January

HowDoUDo
01-05-2015, 03:25 AM
LMFAO

Real Deal Steel
01-05-2015, 08:18 AM
This honestly might be the worst post of the year and it's ****ing January

So...doesn't mean its not true. Who died and made you the end all, be all? That's my opinion.

steelspikes
01-05-2015, 11:55 AM
The nucleus is there. Just need a few pieces, mainly on defense. The time will come when its time to look for bens replacement. But it's not right now. Ben could play until he's 40. It is time to cut ties with Harrison, Keisel, Ike and Troy. Time for guys like Shazier and Jones to step it up. Drop Mitchell, he's garbage. I say go all secondary in the draft. High picks.

Agree we are solid in places. But the absence of any star power in the defensive backfield, and the lack of a pass rush, is just suicide against a quality QB. Look what happened againt the last two top tier QBs we played againt: Brees, and Flacco. We got sliced and diced.

Steeltrap
01-05-2015, 12:03 PM
Agree we are solid in places. But the absence of any star power in the defensive backfield, and the lack of a pass rush, is just suicide against a quality QB. Look what happened againt the last two top tier QBs we played againt: Brees, and Flacco. We got sliced and diced.

And if it wasn't for our offense covering for us, Luck threw for 400 yards on us too. A Steeler team that can't stop the run or the pass?? How can anyone make excuses for a team that has no pass rush and no secondary?

steelspikes
01-05-2015, 12:04 PM
So instead of drafting on 1 side of the ball, we trade a QB who successfully ran the offense this year and has 2 rings and hope that a back up QB, a previous 4th round pick who hasn't played or somebody we draft this year can take over and successfully run the O while we draft or acquire enough defensive players to become the old steelers? Not sure how realistic that is.

Just thinking all options need to be considered going forward: even ones that might strike some as outrageous. Just don't see this team as being able to acquire enough defensive talent without being willing to give something of value up. Draft alone will not be enough to elevate what is currently a substandard defense. What is most valuable to most teams is a top flight QB.
Steelers have skills on offense to get by with a decent or above average QB. Ben is great, but not when combined with a horrible defense.

Steeltrap
01-05-2015, 12:05 PM
I kinda agree with RDS in that it's more then just adding the players. Because if we add the players, we still have a coach who is highly questionable to say the least.

steelers75
01-05-2015, 03:06 PM
Right now, Colbert looks like an absolute idiot in taking Shazier over Moseley.

Just like he did last year for taking Bell over Lacy.

One season does not a career make.

steelers75
01-05-2015, 03:10 PM
Steelers have skills on offense to get by with a decent or above average QB.

No, they don't. That's a recipe for a repeat of the Cowher years.

Steeltrap
01-05-2015, 03:44 PM
Just like he did last year for taking Bell over Lacy.

One season does not a career make.

Good point. But he did say, " right now".

Nolrog
01-05-2015, 03:49 PM
So instead of trying to cobble together a defense to go with an excellent offense, you would want to blow things up and start from scratch.

cali_fan
01-05-2015, 03:56 PM
So instead of trying to cobble together a defense to go with an excellent offense, you would want to blow things up and start from scratch.


Exactly. They make it seem like we're so far off.

One good draft and free agency year and we're golden.

Just last week you could hear a rat **** on cotton when we won 4 straight and took the division.

Now it's "oh we went 11-5 let's blow the team up".

the logic in here is just crazy

Steeltrap
01-05-2015, 03:58 PM
Exactly. They make it seem like we're so far off.

One good draft and free agency year and we're golden.

Just last week you could hear a rat **** on cotton when we won 4 straight and took the division.

Now it's "oh we went 11-5 let's blow the team up".

the logic in here is just crazy

Not true. There were plenty of posters with intripidation because of the secondary and spotty pass rush.

steelspikes
01-05-2015, 04:27 PM
So instead of trying to cobble together a defense to go with an excellent offense, you would want to blow things up and start from scratch.

Steelers are so bad on the back end, that no amount of "cobbling" is gonna fix the problem. Willie Gay is okay as a nickel; he's made some big plays and has a nose for the ball. But really, do we have anybody else that's good back there?

Rocky#20
01-05-2015, 06:09 PM
So instead of trying to cobble together a defense to go with an excellent offense, you would want to blow things up and start from scratch.

Yeah let's get rid of the NFL's leading passer, after all there are plenty of future Hall of Famers like Mark Sanchez and Jake Locker we can pick up in free agency.

North Steel
01-05-2015, 07:41 PM
Exactly. They make it seem like we're so far off.

One good draft and free agency year and we're golden.

Just last week you could hear a rat **** on cotton when we won 4 straight and took the division.

Now it's "oh we went 11-5 let's blow the team up".

the logic in here is just crazy

This is everyone just blowing their brains out after that "No Show of a game" LOL

Nolrog
01-05-2015, 09:50 PM
Steelers are so bad on the back end, that no amount of "cobbling" is gonna fix the problem. Willie Gay is okay as a nickel; he's made some big plays and has a nose for the ball. But really, do we have anybody else that's good back there?

Maybe not cobbling, but you put Darrel Revis out there and that D gets dramatically better with 1 guy.

steelspikes
01-06-2015, 03:58 PM
Maybe not cobbling, but you put Darrel Revis out there and that D gets dramatically better with 1 guy.

You're totally right, but there's no way NE lets him go to an AFC rival. The guy we should try to get is Patrick Peterson from AZ. How about Big Ben for Peterson and Honey Badger? Deal.

Steeltrap
01-06-2015, 04:54 PM
Ben looking for a new Deal

Updated: January 6, 2015, 3:19 PM ET
By Scott Brown | ESPN.com

What Is The Price Tag For Ben Roethlisberger?

PITTSBURGH -- Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger expressed confidence that he and the Steelers will agree to a new contract after the 11th-year veteran tied for the NFL lead with 4,952 passing yards and led the Steelers to an AFC North title.

Ben Roethlisberger is entering the final year of his contract in 2015.
Roethlisberger is entering the final year of the eight-year, $102 million deal he signed in 2008, and the Steelers hope to sign him to a contract that will allow the three-time Pro Bowler to finish his career in Pittsburgh.

"I felt great all year [on his contract situation]," Roethlisberger said Tuesday on 93.7 The Fan in Pittsburgh. "Hopefully it's sooner rather than later."

The Steelers normally sign their starting quarterback to a new contract with two years left on his deal. They tabled Roethlisberger's contract talks in July because of their salary-cap situation but said they have every intention of getting a new deal done after the 2014 season.

Team president Art Rooney II has said he wants Roethlisberger to retire as a Steeler.

He is slated to make $11.6 million in the final year of his contract with a cap hit of $18.395 million, according to ESPN Stats & Information. The Steelers could lower the cap hit for 2015 by signing him to a new deal.

Roethlisberger, who turns 33 at the beginning of March, is coming off his best statistical season. The 6-foot-5, 241-pounder became the first player in Steelers history to win at least a share of the NFL passing title. He established franchise single-season marks in passing yards and completions (408) and tied his Steelers record with 32 touchdown passes.

The Steelers' season ended Saturday night after a 30-17 loss to the visiting Baltimore Ravens in an AFC wild-card game. Roethlisberger threw for 334 yards and a touchdown but was intercepted twice in the Steelers' first playoff loss to the Ravens in their history.

Roethlisberger left the game in the fourth quarter after getting sacked by Ravens outside linebacker Courtney Upshaw, and backup Bruce Gradkowski replaced him for three plays.

After the game, Roethlisberger said he had sustained "whiplash" on the sack. He said Tuesday on his weekly radio show that he did not sustain a concussion.

Nolrog
01-06-2015, 10:24 PM
I'm sure Ben will get a new deal which will have the effect of lowering his cap hit this year as well.

LASVEGASGUY
01-08-2015, 12:03 AM
Deal Ben? I'm not really interested in going back to the days of Turnover Tommy, Bubby Brister, Kordell Stewart, Kent Graham, Mike Tomczak, Jim Miller, and Neil O'Donnell.

And to think Cowher was able to keep us competitive with these crappy QB's. Tomlin has had Ben his entire career so what's his excuse the last 4 years?

Nolrog
01-08-2015, 11:07 AM
You're totally right, but there's no way NE lets him go to an AFC rival. The guy we should try to get is Patrick Peterson from AZ. How about Big Ben for Peterson and Honey Badger? Deal.

If he becomes a FA, then NE will not have a choiced where he goes. He has a 12.5m roster bonus and a 25 million dollar cap hit next year. NE will not pick that up, but they very well may give him a new contract.

coldrolled
01-08-2015, 01:52 PM
The nucleus is there. Just need a few pieces, mainly on defense. The time will come when its time to look for bens replacement. But it's not right now. Ben could play until he's 40. It is time to cut ties with Harrison, Keisel, Ike and Troy. Time for guys like Shazier and Jones to step it up. Drop Mitchell, he's garbage. I say go all secondary in the draft. High picks.

40? Maybe 3 years.. When was his last officially called bootleg? When does he take the grass in front of him when hes wide open? 1 out of 12 times. He doesnt run well. He will not make 40.. We need to find some solid D in FA and build depth with the draft fast. JJ and Shazier need to Shine. I still think Zumwalt will be a good player for us, he is an animal and has good instinct. accept for the occasional personal fouls, see Harrison. lol We need some mean on defense.

steelers75
01-08-2015, 02:07 PM
And to think Cowher was able to keep us competitive with these crappy QB's. Tomlin has had Ben his entire career so what's his excuse the last 4 years?

And most importantly, Cowher was WHITE! Right, xxxx?

coldrolled
01-08-2015, 03:17 PM
And most importantly, Cowher was WHITE! Right, Adolf?

Really, White? What does our team have 4 white players? Not counting the racist Punter and Kicker position. lol