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Big T
08-21-2014, 06:51 PM
Might as well make a thread to discuss the game as it's going on.

@SteelersPRBurt: .@steelers who will not dress tonight: W. Allen, L. Moore, Poole, Waters, Will Johnson, Richardson, Smith, Wallace, Warren, Zumwalt.

TarlsQtr
08-21-2014, 06:57 PM
What's wrong with Moore?

SnakeEyes43
08-21-2014, 07:05 PM
What's wrong with Moore?

According to ESPN:


Players who are out tonight because of injuries include fullback Will Johnson (hamstring), safety Will Allen (hamstring), center Cody Wallace (finger), cornerback Shaquille Richardson (knee), linebacker Jordan Zumwalt (groin), tight end Eric Waters (concussion), running back Tauren Poole (hamstring), long snapper Greg Warren (knee) and cornerback Devin Smith (hamstring).

Veteran wide receiver Lance Moore will not dress for an undisclosed reason.

TarlsQtr
08-21-2014, 07:08 PM
Undisclosed. Hmm. Maybe he was in a dress and was the girl in the car with Bell and Blount?

Big T
08-21-2014, 07:12 PM
The good thing about Moore being out is more reps with the first team for Justin Brown, and hopefully Martavis will get a few snaps with the first team as well.

harpo
08-21-2014, 07:19 PM
The good thing about Moore being out is more reps with the first team for Justin Brown, and hopefully Martavis will get a few snaps with the first team as well.

I was about to reply with the same comment.:yellowthumb:

Big T
08-21-2014, 07:46 PM
DeMeco might get fined for that one. Yikes.

JackLambert
08-21-2014, 07:47 PM
Dafuc was that a PF for?

Big T
08-21-2014, 07:52 PM
Dafuc was that a PF for?

You're questioning why a flag was thrown when there was a hit to the head of a defenseless receiver?

TarlsQtr
08-21-2014, 07:57 PM
Both announcers are horrible.

JackLambert
08-21-2014, 07:58 PM
D looks like ****

JackLambert
08-21-2014, 08:01 PM
You're questioning why a flag was thrown when there was a hit to the head of a defenseless receiver?

Looked like a shoulder to me at first. Maybe it was head. Calling him defenseless is a joke.

I guess it's okay that our corners suck since you can't do anything to a receiver anyway.

SuperSteelers
08-21-2014, 08:03 PM
D looks like ****

It looks like the D is trying to read and react to what is in front of them instead of attacking. I wonder if that is by design or if Philly is just making them look silly.

Big T
08-21-2014, 08:10 PM
Looked like a shoulder to me at first. Maybe it was head. Calling him defenseless is a joke.

I guess it's okay that our corners suck since you can't do anything to a receiver anyway.

I don't know what you've been watching the last 4 years, but since theyve really cracked down on that ****, that's a hit on a defenseless receiver every time.

JackLambert
08-21-2014, 08:18 PM
I don't know what you've been watching the last 4 years, but since theyve really cracked down on that ****, that's a hit on a defenseless receiver every time.

There are defenseless receiver situations. This wasn't one of them. The defender got there about .0089 seconds after the ball, which hit the receiver in the chest. There is no way to hold up from hitting the receiver there unless you don't plan to hit him even if the catch is made. If that hit was to his head then, sure, it's a PF. I thought it was his shoulder.

Rollers
08-21-2014, 08:23 PM
Defense is just soft. No pressure, D backs are WAY off the receivers. Flags are getting ridiculous. It this is what you have to look forward to fans are going to go nuts. Really making the defense look awful.

Stone
08-21-2014, 08:25 PM
3 flags on Ike!

Big T
08-21-2014, 08:25 PM
There are defenseless receiver situations. This wasn't one of them. The defender got there about .0089 seconds after the ball, which hit the receiver in the chest. There is no way to hold up from hitting the receiver there unless you don't plan to hit him even if the catch is made. If that hit was to his had then, sure, it's a PF. I thought it was his shoulder.

You can't hit a receiver in the "head/neck" area before he's had a chance to protect himself. That's the rule. That's what "defenseless" is... It's what they've made a conscious effort to get rid of to make the game safer. In today's NFL, that's 15 yards every time.

TarlsQtr
08-21-2014, 08:26 PM
No doubt the flags are making it unwatchable.

Rollers
08-21-2014, 08:27 PM
On a brighter note the offense is lighting it up! Oh wait

Big T
08-21-2014, 08:27 PM
The defense looks ******, but you have to remember they still don't really gameplan for the opposing offense in the preseason.

SuperSteelers
08-21-2014, 08:28 PM
Flags or not, the D is looking silly at this point.

Rollers
08-21-2014, 08:31 PM
The defense looks ******, but you have to remember they still don't really gameplan for the opposing offense in the preseason.

Yanno if they were plaing hard and getting some pressure at least I'd go along with that. But they're getting pushed all over the field. I'm not trying to pick a fight with you because you could be right. But I for one am sick of hearing that excues. Philly's D looks ok to me. Physically they're getting beat up.

Rollers
08-21-2014, 08:32 PM
Well that was a nice pass!

Big T
08-21-2014, 08:33 PM
Yanno if they were plaing hard and getting some pressure at least I'd go along with that. But they're getting pushed all over the field. I'm not trying to pick a fight with you because you could be right. But I for one am sick of hearing that excues. Philly's D looks ok to me. Physically they're getting beat up.

I'm not saying "this means absolutely nothing"... I'm just saying that it's not time to press the panic button. They aren't getting pressure, but just because they aren't getting there doesn't mean they aren't playing hard.

Big T
08-21-2014, 08:34 PM
Well that was a nice pass!

Yeah that stupid. Way too much on that ball.

Big T
08-21-2014, 08:36 PM
F*ck. For Maclin's sake, coming off a torn ACL, I hope that isn't a serious knee injury. Those planted, no contact knee injuries are never good though.

TarlsQtr
08-21-2014, 08:37 PM
Oh crap. Is that same knee as last year?

TarlsQtr
08-21-2014, 08:37 PM
BTW, Shazier looks terrible covering Ertz.

SuperSteelers
08-21-2014, 08:38 PM
Ah oh, I hope no one has Maclin on their fantasy team.

Rollers
08-21-2014, 08:38 PM
Troy comes up big

TarlsQtr
08-21-2014, 08:39 PM
That's Troy.

Big T
08-21-2014, 08:39 PM
There was a nice defensive play. Nice pressure on the screen to force a bad pass and create a turnover. Need some more of that.

Rollers
08-21-2014, 08:40 PM
Offense is just putrid

JackLambert
08-21-2014, 08:41 PM
STs looking as sharp as the other units.

Big T
08-21-2014, 08:41 PM
BTW, Shazier looks terrible covering Ertz.

A lot of it has to do with the respect they have to pay that run fake on nealry every play. But no, he hasn't looked good in coverage.

Ben struggling and Suisham missing another field goal. Yikes.

TarlsQtr
08-21-2014, 08:41 PM
I don't get it. The D struggles and panic but the O cannot do anything against a bad D last season and nothing.

Big T
08-21-2014, 08:45 PM
I don't get it. The D struggles and panic but the O cannot do anything against a bad D last season and nothing.

They seem to be running the ball well enough, but Ben has been way off tonight. Hes been so good thus far but tonight he's made a lot of really poor throws.

TarlsQtr
08-21-2014, 08:45 PM
They seem to be running the ball well enough, but Ben has been way off tonight. Hes been so good thus far but tonight he's made a lot of really poor throws.

Wheaton has looked bad too.

Rollers
08-21-2014, 08:46 PM
well I believe I've seen enough tonight. I'm out guys.

Stone
08-21-2014, 08:48 PM
Maybe it doesn't matter who plays QB for the Browns:(

SuperSteelers
08-21-2014, 08:49 PM
I don't get it. The D struggles and panic but the O cannot do anything against a bad D last season and nothing.

Most baffling

Big T
08-21-2014, 08:51 PM
On a positive note, if the preseason is any indication on how the offensive line is gonna play, we're in good shape there.

TarlsQtr
08-21-2014, 08:52 PM
On a positive note, if the preseason is any indication on how the offensive line is gonna play, we're in good shape there.

Agreed 100 percent. They are run and pass blocking well.

KemoTherapy
08-21-2014, 08:59 PM
They seem to be getting caught up in the super fast pace of the game. The no huddle seems to be misfiring and I believe they'd be better served slowing it down so they can execute better. If nothing else it gives the D more time to rest, they look gassed.

KevinE
08-21-2014, 09:00 PM
Ben looks awful!!

Big T
08-21-2014, 09:03 PM
They seem to be getting caught up in the super fast pace of the game. The no huddle seems to be misfiring and I believe they'd be better served slowing it down so they can execute better. If nothing else it gives the D more time to rest, they look gassed.

That's the thing though. Preseason is the time where you go into games with your mind set on trying certain things. It hasn't worked tonight like it did last week, but they're forcing things.

Big T
08-21-2014, 09:06 PM
Beachum owned on 2 straight plays

Stone
08-21-2014, 09:07 PM
If all is right in the world, Jones will come in and look like a stud!

Big T
08-21-2014, 09:09 PM
That was a rough half of football to watch. I wouldn't be surprised if Tomlin put the first team out there again to start the half.

KemoTherapy
08-21-2014, 09:12 PM
Files' 29 pass attempts in one half is ridiculous. I want the old NFL back:stirpot:

KevinE
08-21-2014, 09:14 PM
I can't help to notice these officials are completely out of control. Both ways!

Stone
08-21-2014, 09:26 PM
This punter sucks!

SuperSteelers
08-21-2014, 09:35 PM
2nd string QB making the Steelers 1st team D look awful.

KemoTherapy
08-21-2014, 09:35 PM
Ike's going to need a skin graft after this game cause he's getting repeatedly burned.

Stone
08-21-2014, 09:36 PM
Ike's going to need a skin graft after this game cause he's getting repeatedly burned.

Maybe if the flags were made of burn garment he would be okay!

SuperSteelers
08-21-2014, 09:39 PM
Somebody please wake me up from this nightmare.

Big T
08-21-2014, 09:41 PM
Worilds and Spence both out with right knee injuries. Luckily it's not the same knee spence injured before.

Big T
08-21-2014, 09:43 PM
That was a nice drive. Should be it for the first team O. Great blitz pickup by Blount.

NeilPatrickBanana
08-21-2014, 09:47 PM
i guess i should be glad i missed this one? queing up the DVR... bracing for impact

Stone
08-21-2014, 09:47 PM
NFL Network commentators are terrible

Big T
08-21-2014, 09:51 PM
Rough night for Ike and Shazier. I mean, tough night for the whole team, but still lol

Big T
08-21-2014, 09:54 PM
2nd team O scoring on mostly Steelers first team D. Not too encouraging :/

KevinE
08-21-2014, 09:54 PM
Sanchez looking like Tom Brady! This team looks doomed!

KevinE
08-21-2014, 09:55 PM
2nd team O scoring on mostly Steelers first team D. Not too encouraging :/

Worlids and Spence both out with knees. Not looking good!

DanRooney
08-21-2014, 09:55 PM
Lol... crazy how bad this team is after 1 week. Maybe bell and blount need to smoke more.

SuperSteelers
08-21-2014, 09:55 PM
Philly's second string team O is destroying the Steelers D starters

Big T
08-21-2014, 09:58 PM
That's the thing about preseason though. Both the offense and defense looked fantastic last week. Both the offense and defense looked terrible tonight. There's obviously some concerning things about tonight, but no one should be giving up on the season at this point lol.

DanRooney
08-21-2014, 09:59 PM
Ike's going to need a skin graft after this game cause he's getting repeatedly burned.

Ikes a vet and is better than Sherman because he's a vet! !! I wonder who supports my last sentence hmm....

Big T
08-21-2014, 10:01 PM
This ****ing dude needs to stop calling him "Gradowski." He sounds like an idiot.

SuperSteelers
08-21-2014, 10:01 PM
That's the thing about preseason though. Both the offense and defense looked fantastic last week. Both the offense and defense looked terrible tonight. There's obviously some concerning things about tonight, but no one should be giving up on the season at this point lol.

The encouraging part is they really can't play any worse so the upside is infinite.

KevinE
08-21-2014, 10:03 PM
This ****ing dude needs to stop calling him "Gradowski." He sounds like an idiot.

Because he is! A big fn idiot!

I just about stole my kids pencil to stab my eardrums out!

Big T
08-21-2014, 10:03 PM
If "Gradowski" gets a little more on that ball it's a TD. Would still like to see Bryant go up for that instead of waiting on it. The good news is that in all three games he's shown the ability to get open downfield.

Stone
08-21-2014, 10:04 PM
This ****ing dude needs to stop calling him "Gradowski." He sounds like an idiot.

NFLN coverage in general is disgusting!

KevinE
08-21-2014, 10:04 PM
The encouraging part is they really can't play any worse so the upside is infinite.

I used to think that way until week after week last season they sucked!

KevinE
08-21-2014, 10:06 PM
Hmmm imagine that a flag down

SuperSteelers
08-21-2014, 10:07 PM
I used to think that way until week after week last season they sucked!

I seem to recall them getting better during the second half of the season.

Big T
08-21-2014, 10:08 PM
I seem to recall them getting better during the second half of the season.

Significantly better.

KevinE
08-21-2014, 10:09 PM
I seem to recall them getting better during the second half of the season.

Late..

KevinE
08-21-2014, 10:11 PM
Omg another flag!!

SuperSteelers
08-21-2014, 10:12 PM
Late..

Better late than never

KevinE
08-21-2014, 10:19 PM
Better late than never

True.

Big T
08-21-2014, 10:34 PM
Martavis Bryant with another up and down game. He's gotten open, drawn another penalty or two, caught a TD, but missed a couple opportunities with a couple drops.

KemoTherapy
08-21-2014, 11:11 PM
Martavis Bryant with another up and down game. He's gotten open, drawn another penalty or two, caught a TD, but missed a couple opportunities with a couple drops.

He needs to add a little weight to get stronger and fight for the ball better but I expect he'll be alright in the long term. Plaxico took quite some time to really become productive and I see similarities between the two.

Big T
08-21-2014, 11:27 PM
@Ken_Laird: Cam Heyward: "Everybody's pissed off. If you're not pissed off you shouldn't be on this team. Big level of disappointment" #Steelers

@Ken_Laird: Cam Heyward: "Best believe when we get to practice stuff better be handled. Or we're in for a long season. It's about responding"

@Ken_Laird: Heyward: "I'm just ticked. We all have to look in the mirror. When we put on this jersey we represent a lot" #Steelers

@Ken_Laird: Heyward: "Missed tackles. Not following assignments, me included no pointing fingers. We've got to step up. More energy, sense of urgency"

@Ken_Laird: Heyward: "When Cleveland comes to us they're going to bring the full shed. They'll see what we did wrong & will continue to run it"

steelchamp204
08-21-2014, 11:49 PM
Heyward said the same thing last week about himself and his assignments, this team shouldn't have to be a back against the wall type mentality, they should be a team that gets out of the gate early and keeps the petal to the metal all game. I don't want to be like the past charger teams where they had to win the final 6 games to get in the playoffs.

We'll see how pissed off they are next week, I just want them getting through the preseason healthy and a pass rush, especially from Jones.

Dean Denton
08-22-2014, 02:32 AM
I've never seen Ben look so bad. This defense is getting run all over on, they are getting passed all over on...And the entire offense looks bad. Hope this isn't a sign of things to come. Grade F....

Rollers
08-22-2014, 05:32 AM
Before the game Heath Miller said this game would tell a lot about the level the Steelers were at to this point. Well I'm hoping he was wrong. Their second team offense, the second team, shoved a TD down the throats of our starters who appeared helpless to do anything. I'm hoping this was all a fluke. Just a team unable to get up for a preseason contest, much like they did against horrible teams last year. something is wrong here though. They were completely flat. Is that coaching? Why were we "flat" against teams like the Raiders, and the Vikings? Who can motivate this bunch? Ok will leave the doom and gloom behind and look forward to a rejuvenated team against the Browns. No possibility of anything next week as you won't see the starters much so it's a wait until the Brown's game. Did they run the no huddle last night?

coldrolled
08-22-2014, 05:43 AM
Keisel will save us.

coldrolled
08-22-2014, 06:01 AM
Martavis Bryant with another up and down game. He's gotten open, drawn another penalty or two, caught a TD, but missed a couple opportunities with a couple drops.

He looks better than having Justin Brown out there...

Troyisabeast_43
08-22-2014, 08:12 AM
Jarvis Jones play is very very alarming at this point. He just looks clueless out there and totally confused. He misses tackles and is soft and even the Steelers coaches have been on record in this camp as saying he had no clue last year on what he was doing and how to grasp this defense.

I get so sick of hearing time and time again about how damn hard it is to grasp this Dick Lebeau defense and blah blah blah. I mean how much time does a guy like Jones need?? You have been here now over a year and you are a number 1 overall pick and you still dont know where youre supposed to be?? It's about time for a lot of these guys on this Steelers team to wake the hell up and start playing like they are suppose too or we are in for another long *** season.

harpo
08-22-2014, 08:13 AM
Worlids and Spence both out with knees. Not looking good!

Spence probably has a PCL to his right knee. Not good.....

http://www.steelers.com/news/article-1/Coach-Tomlins-Post-Game-Comments/cc5319ac-fa5a-41fc-90df-0dfe8e5c6c1f

NeilPatrickBanana
08-22-2014, 09:26 AM
Makes you appreciate how generationally talented Smith-Hampton-Keisel was...

When the defensive line cant do what it's supposed to... it can make an elite talent at the Mack (Shazier) look useless...

K Train
08-22-2014, 09:29 AM
Cam Thomas and his stupid #96 looks awful just like Hood did

LatrobePA
08-22-2014, 09:32 AM
My puke bucket was full by half time. IMO this team looked no different then last year, totally unprepared. Preseason game, YES but being the third one and dress rehearsal I expected more.

Great keep Ben in there to go against their scrubs for a TD doesn't cut it...

LatrobePA
08-22-2014, 09:33 AM
Cam Thomas and his stupid #96 looks awful just like Hood did

He's so out to lunch! And to think people bitched about 99 coming back! LOL

K Train
08-22-2014, 09:34 AM
My puke bucket was full by half time. IMO this team looked no different then last year, totally unprepared. Preseason game, YES but being the third one and dress rehearsal I expected more.

Great keep Ben in there to go against their scrubs for a TD doesn't cut it...

They were getting snaps off every 17-19 seconds...that is unsustainable throughout a season.

LatrobePA
08-22-2014, 09:37 AM
They were getting snaps off every 17-19 seconds...that is unsustainable throughout a season.

I know but I saw nothing remotely close to QB pressure.

K Train
08-22-2014, 09:39 AM
I know but I saw nothing remotely close to QB pressure.

They got the ball out so fast and were running fast paced offense full throttle. Shaz got some nice pressure but there was always a RB wide open

K Train
08-22-2014, 09:39 AM
My seats were ****ing sweet though

K Train
08-22-2014, 09:43 AM
The Mark Sanchez drive was kept alove with a 15 yard penalty. It was the first game I was at in a LONG time but hearing the refs explanation made me SICK. "Helmet to the chest of the QB"

What. The. ****.

Ok you cant lead with your helmet into their helmet....cool

Ok you cant hit them low....i can live with that.

But you cant hit them in the CHEST? First of all you can lead with your helmet on a ball carrier, just not to the head of a QB or a a defenseless receiver, a penalty for hitting a QB in the chest is just taking it too far.

coldrolled
08-22-2014, 09:47 AM
Makes you appreciate how generationally talented Smith-Hampton-Keisel was...

When the defensive line cant do what it's supposed to... it can make an elite talent at the Mack (Shazier) look useless...


There is athletic talent and there is smart talent.. we lost smart a while ago.... The OL for the Eagles looked smart and the 2nd OL for the Eagles looked smart, they where blocking down field as a unit and mauling our line, not much of anything super athletic but technically solid.

coldrolled
08-22-2014, 09:49 AM
The Mark Sanchez drive was kept alove with a 15 yard penalty. It was the first game I was at in a LONG time but hearing the refs explanation made me SICK. "Helmet to the chest of the QB"

What. The. ****.

Ok you cant lead with your helmet into their helmet....cool

Ok you cant hit them low....i can live with that.

But you cant hit them in the CHEST? First of all you can lead with your helmet on a ball carrier, just not to the head of a QB or a a defenseless receiver, a penalty for hitting a QB in the chest is just taking it too far.

didnt ben get a helmet to the chest and almost have a rib crush his heart? was there a foul on the play?

coldrolled
08-22-2014, 09:51 AM
Cam Thomas and his stupid #96 looks awful just like Hood did

Arnfelt, Mauro and McCullers... McCullers had a tackle down field, unno the guy who has no skill just size... they ran every play away from shade tree.

coldrolled
08-22-2014, 09:52 AM
Spence probably has a PCL to his right knee. Not good.....

http://www.steelers.com/news/article-1/Coach-Tomlins-Post-Game-Comments/cc5319ac-fa5a-41fc-90df-0dfe8e5c6c1f

He has glass knees.. time to move on....

K Train
08-22-2014, 09:53 AM
Arnfelt, Mauro and McCullers... McCullers had a tackle down field, unno the guy who has no skill just size... they ran every play away from shade tree.

Ive said time and time again how pleasantly surprising Mccullers has been

coldrolled
08-22-2014, 09:53 AM
Jarvis Jones play is very very alarming at this point. He just looks clueless out there and totally confused. He misses tackles and is soft and even the Steelers coaches have been on record in this camp as saying he had no clue last year on what he was doing and how to grasp this defense.

I get so sick of hearing time and time again about how damn hard it is to grasp this Dick Lebeau defense and blah blah blah. I mean how much time does a guy like Jones need?? You have been here now over a year and you are a number 1 overall pick and you still dont know where youre supposed to be?? It's about time for a lot of these guys on this Steelers team to wake the hell up and start playing like they are suppose too or we are in for another long *** season.

Soto or HJones or Moats?????

TarlsQtr
08-22-2014, 10:18 AM
I turned the game off at halftime.

How bad did the Worilds injury look?

Did Heyward get hurt? In one of the PPG articles they said Worlilds and Heyward got hurt but not Spence. I am just wondering if that was just an error by one writer because I saw nothing about a Heyward injury anywhere else.


It's bad enough that his team put on an inept performance in every way Thursday night in a 31-21 loss to the Philadelphia Eagles in the third and most important of their four exhibition games and lost top defenders Jason Worilds (knee) and Cameron Heyward (ankle) to potentially serious injuries.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/ron-cook/2014/08/22/Ron-Cook-Bad-day-on-field-for-Steelers-worse-off-it/stories/201408220134#ixzz3B89TGMOg

K Train
08-22-2014, 10:21 AM
Spence has a PCL sprain i believe. I didnt see heyward get hurt

TarlsQtr
08-22-2014, 10:28 AM
Spence has a PCL sprain i believe. I didnt see heyward get hurt

Yeah, I knew about Spence. I thought the Heyward comment might be in error. I am thrilled that seems to be the case. There are a lot of quotes of him being interviewed after the game and no mention of it. Just the one article I quoted.

I just read that Worilds will be evaluated on Monday. I wonder if they are contacting James today. If we start hearing such rumors, it means Worilds' injury is bad and he may have played his last snap as a Steeler.

JackLambert
08-22-2014, 10:31 AM
There are things we've known for a while. Cam Thomas is awful. There are serious problems at CB. Jones is dumb as a brick. I feel bad for Spence but I was never counting on him anyway.

Not worried about the offense. Ben was bad and the young receivers haven't been good. I think they'll be fine. It's the D that really concerns me.

JackLambert
08-22-2014, 10:34 AM
I don't believe Heyward is hurt. I think it's just Spence and Worilds.

steelchamp204
08-22-2014, 10:35 AM
Jones looks horrible. Yes, there is a panic button for Jones already, at least for me. Offensive line looked like they didn't want to be there.

steelchamp204
08-22-2014, 10:37 AM
There are things we've known for a while. Cam Thomas is awful. There are serious problems at CB. Jones is dumb as a brick. I feel bad for Spence but I was never counting on him anyway.

Not worried about the offense. Ben was bad and the young receivers haven't been good. I think they'll be fine. It's the D that really concerns me.

If they are getting the ball out quick like they were last night, YOU HAVE TO PLAY RIGHT UP TO THE RECEIVER! I know they were playing somewhat vanilla defense, but play up like man until the ball is hiked and go back to your assigment. JAM THE ****ING GUYS

K Train
08-22-2014, 10:38 AM
One week we have ten pro bowlers and first ballot hall of famers, the next its panic buttons and they suck and should clean house.

Preseason is awesome

steelchamp204
08-22-2014, 10:44 AM
One week we have ten pro bowlers and first ballot hall of famers, the next its panic buttons and they suck and should clean house.

Preseason is awesome

You're not worried at all about Jarvis Jones?? That's all I am really worried about besides this coaching staff being out coached

coldrolled
08-22-2014, 10:47 AM
If they are getting the ball out quick like they were last night, YOU HAVE TO PLAY RIGHT UP TO THE RECEIVER! I know they were playing somewhat vanilla defense, but play up like man until the ball is hiked and go back to your assigment. JAM THE ****ING GUYS

If jjones and worilds cant get to the qb and pressure him, you would think we would tighten up on the los.. i doesnt seem to work both ways, no pressure and a 10 yard buffer. the good qb will do what foles did, kick our arses.

K Train
08-22-2014, 10:47 AM
You're not worried at all about Jarvis Jones?? That's all I am really worried about besides this coaching staff being out coached

Not worried about him alone. Worried about the run defense with Cam Thomas in there. I have to watch again, I wasnt on that side of the field much of the time they were in so i didnt get a good view of those guys (worilds balled out though).

Thomas getting owned was no help to jarvis, Keisel should be.

JackLambert
08-22-2014, 10:53 AM
One week we have ten pro bowlers and first ballot hall of famers, the next its panic buttons and they suck and should clean house.

Preseason is awesome

True. SanFran just lost 34-0. I still think they'll be damn good this year.

Things I care about in preseason games, in order of importance:

1. No injuries
2. drinking beer
3. watching the cheerleaders
4. baseball pennant races
5. I should really paint the kitchen
6. the refs are freaking brutal
7. tomlin is picking up weight
8. did the OL block well
9. do the rookies pass the eye test

Seriously though, the CBs are bad and pressure isn't going to save them. Cam Thomas was a bad signing. The punting situation has become a colossal joke. Jarvis Jones may go bust and that's really, really going to hurt, especially if Worlids is out.

steelchamp204
08-22-2014, 10:54 AM
Not worried about him alone. Worried about the run defense with Cam Thomas in there. I have to watch again, I wasnt on that side of the field much of the time they were in so i didnt get a good view of those guys (worilds balled out though).

Thomas getting owned was no help to jarvis, Keisel should be.

I don't know train, I have a bad feeling about Jones. I know that Moats looked good the other week coming off the edge. I know he is not the guy for the future at that position, but it's just a thought. If Jones has another bad week next week, maybe they sign harrison to maybe backup/rotate with Jones to maybe push him? What do you think

steelchamp204
08-22-2014, 10:55 AM
True. Didn't SanFran just lose 34-0. I still think they'll be damn good this year. :)

Things I care about in preseason games, in order of importance:

1. No injuries
2. drinking beer
3. watching the cheerleaders
4. baseball pennant races
5. I should really paint the kitchen
6. the refs are freaking brutal
7. tomlin is picking up weight
8. did the OL block well
9. do the rookies pass the eye test

Seriously though, the CBs are bad and pressure isn't going to save them. Cam Thomas was a bad signing. The punting situation has become a colossal joke. Jarvis Jones may go bust and that's really, really going to hurt, especially if Worlids is out.

I think Harbough is a better coach than Tomlin. Just my opinion. Seems this team didn't come prepared to Philly, which was a trend last year being out coached.


Ok, I will say the 49ers coaching staff is better I believe.

Big T
08-22-2014, 10:57 AM
Jarvis obviously did not play well last night, but considering he was lined up against a top 3 LT in an offense that's designed to get the ball out before the QB has a chance to get hit, I'm not ready to press the panic button.

Cam Heyward sprained his ankle, he said post game that it was nothing to worry about. PCL injuries don't even require surgery a lot of the time so of that's the case Spence should be fine. A couple people said Worilds' injury didn't look serious due to how he was after it happened. He was sitting on the bench with it iced and then post game he jogged to the tunnel with no issues. Doesn't sound like any if them were that serious.

Big T
08-22-2014, 11:01 AM
One week we have ten pro bowlers and first ballot hall of famers, the next its panic buttons and they suck and should clean house.

Preseason is awesome

That was my point earlier. Steelers fans are the most bipolar fans on the planet week-to-week in the preseason. Last week we were gonna win te division, make the playoffs and Shazier would be DROY. This week we're gonna be lucky to hold off Cleveland for last in the division.

Preseason is not meaningless. But people look WAAAAYYYY too into this **** when there isn't even game planning done for specific offenses.

K Train
08-22-2014, 11:04 AM
True. SanFran just lost 34-0. I still think they'll be damn good this year.

Things I care about in preseason games, in order of importance:

1. No injuries
2. drinking beer
3. watching the cheerleaders
4. baseball pennant races
5. I should really paint the kitchen
6. the refs are freaking brutal
7. tomlin is picking up weight
8. did the OL block well
9. do the rookies pass the eye test

Seriously though, the CBs are bad and pressure isn't going to save them. Cam Thomas was a bad signing. The punting situation has become a colossal joke. Jarvis Jones may go bust and that's really, really going to hurt, especially if Worlids is out.
Haha exactly

Steelers went 3-1 two years ago and finished 8-8, 0-4 and finished 8-8...doesnt matter. You really should paint the kitchen though since meaningful football is still a few weeks away, then you will have no time

K Train
08-22-2014, 11:06 AM
That was my point earlier. Steelers fans are the most bipolar fans on the planet week-to-week in the preseason. Last week we were gonna win te division, make the playoffs and Shazier would be DROY. This week we're gonna be lucky to hold off Cleveland for last in the division.

Preseason is not meaningless. But people look WAAAAYYYY too into this **** when there isn't even game planning done for specific offenses.
Last week the browns better not start Manziel because this defense would kick his ***, this week manziel and the read option would destroy them...lol

Preseason is glorified practice, and since it public you dont want to show your hand too much. Chips style says pull out the offense and let it rip, the steelers didnt even run the no huddle they are so excited about

steelchamp204
08-22-2014, 11:17 AM
That was my point earlier. Steelers fans are the most bipolar fans on the planet week-to-week in the preseason. Last week we were gonna win te division, make the playoffs and Shazier would be DROY. This week we're gonna be lucky to hold off Cleveland for last in the division.

Preseason is not meaningless. But people look WAAAAYYYY too into this **** when there isn't even game planning done for specific offenses.


I said last night after the game this is a 10 win team. But people do freak out about preseason way to much.

Rollers
08-22-2014, 11:30 AM
No one that I've seen here are panicking. It seems that any discussion around what you might perceive as an issue is met with "it's only preseason" That has a lot of merit. However when you look at a player in last night's game, which was supposed to be a dress rehearsal for the real season, you have to have some concerns. The entire second team of the philly offense scored with ease on our first time D. It was easy. Excusing Jones because he was going up against a top tackle makes no sense to me. He was handled by everyone last year and he missed a few tackles as well. I'm not pushing the panic button and I don't see anyone else here doing that. But his play is a huge concern to me. It wasn't the getting blocked by a top tackle, it was the fact that he had no impact on that game at all. Surely we should have seen some improvement at this point. Watch him rushing the QB. He makes contact with the tackle and then kind of spins and leans back on the guy? I don't know. I guess we'll see

steelchamp204
08-22-2014, 11:59 AM
No one that I've seen here are panicking. It seems that any discussion around what you might perceive as an issue is met with "it's only preseason" That has a lot of merit. However when you look at a player in last night's game, which was supposed to be a dress rehearsal for the real season, you have to have some concerns. The entire second team of the philly offense scored with ease on our first time D. It was easy. Excusing Jones because he was going up against a top tackle makes no sense to me. He was handled by everyone last year and he missed a few tackles as well. I'm not pushing the panic button and I don't see anyone else here doing that. But his play is a huge concern to me. It wasn't the getting blocked by a top tackle, it was the fact that he had no impact on that game at all. Surely we should have seen some improvement at this point. Watch him rushing the QB. He makes contact with the tackle and then kind of spins and leans back on the guy? I don't know. I guess we'll see

Wasn't a fan of the Jones pick whatsoever, that being said. He needs to play at a high level this season if this team wants to make the playoffs. He just has to. I mean 8 sacks should be a bar for him this season and just wreaking havoc pressing the qb and crashing down the line to stop the run. In this division alone he is going against Eugene Monroe and Joe Thomas.

Can't Tuitt try NT with Heyward and Keisel at the ends?? Cant be any more worse than MclENDON AND THOMAS.

K Train
08-22-2014, 12:01 PM
Tuitt is no where close to a NT in this defense. Id like to see Mccullers given a shot. I know hes raw, i know he needs to work on things, but he dictates the direction of the play, its kind of ridiculous.

I think jones is going to be productive this year....8 sacks would be a great season, especially if he continues to play well vs the run

steelchamp204
08-22-2014, 12:24 PM
Tuitt is no where close to a NT in this defense. Id like to see Mccullers given a shot. I know hes raw, i know he needs to work on things, but he dictates the direction of the play, its kind of ridiculous.

I think jones is going to be productive this year....8 sacks would be a great season, especially if he continues to play well vs the run


Yea, double digit sacks for him this season aren't possible it seems. Maybe in some time. McCullers would be great as a NT, the least he can do is take up space and just hold the center and guard. I really hated the Thomas signing in the offseason, I know some here thought he would be the guy, but I didn't see it. I really hope Tomlin looks at his options at NT and who gives us the best chance to play a high level defense. McCLendon and Thomas are NOT it. McClendon would be great in a 4-3 though.

I know Shazier is looking impressive, but it seems the TEs are catching a lot of key passes the past two game. I know, looking to much into it. He looked good last week with the interception, but after that I know the TE had about 3-4 more receptions. playing against the bills

Or, are some of them coverages Timmons area as well. Correct me if I'm wrong

coldrolled
08-22-2014, 12:26 PM
Everyone pls. keep your eyes off the 362lb 6'7' player running down the field tackling, then holding back 2 OL players easily and not be pushed backwards often... usually holding up the line.

There is brains and there is brawn and then there is just mass. Time to play the massive man at NT.

K Train
08-22-2014, 12:33 PM
Yea, double digit sacks for him this season aren't possible it seems. Maybe in some time. McCullers would be great as a NT, the least he can do is take up space and just hold the center and guard. I really hated the Thomas signing in the offseason, I know some here thought he would be the guy, but I didn't see it. I really hope Tomlin looks at his options at NT and who gives us the best chance to play a high level defense. McCLendon and Thomas are NOT it. McClendon would be great in a 4-3 though.

I know Shazier is looking impressive, but it seems the TEs are catching a lot of key passes the past two game. I know, looking to much into it. He looked good last week with the interception, but after that I know the TE had about 3-4 more receptions. playing against the bills
I get what you are saying with Jones but harrison had 3 double digit sack seasons....08/09/10, 16 in 08 (DPOY) and 10 the other two. He took over the job in 07 and that was his 4th year in the league (i know we are comparing a first rounder to a UDFA)

Woodley had 11, 13, and 10 those same three years....those were some great defenses.

The dline is not in good shape right now, I think it can be with the guys they have (Namely Tuitt and Cam Heyward), but those guys are going to getting pressures more than Smith/Keisel ever did, but we might not be sitting stellar LB play in the mean time. What was once a plug and play system for the OLBs is going to take soem time while the dline gets sorted out. I really hope Mccullers gets some time in there. No he is not the bowling ball Hampton was but he can put up a wall and dictate things on defense.

Cam Thomas is so bad, it makes me sick. Wish we could have gotten Carrington (although im not sure how hes doing).

Shazier went from a DROY to a rookie in the matter of a few days...thats fine. I am still very excited about him. Hoyer is a sitting duck back there, hopefully they can get some pressure on him

Big T
08-22-2014, 12:33 PM
Some players take longer to develop than others. I would think this fan base would understand that more than most having seen a guy come in and be cut a million times by a few teams and end up being a multiple All-Pro, DPOY, signature play in a SB, 5-year stretch of Hall of Fame worthy production, player. No that's not me saying he's going into the Hall of Fame. He didn't do it long enough. I'm saying that the production he had over the time he started here could get him in had he started that production earlier in his career. If that makes any sense lol.

I get that the situations are completely different with the expectations of Jones being so high coming in as a first round guy, with there being no expectations when Harrison was brought in... But still. I've seen Jones do some good things. But it's gonna take some time. He's not the demon pass rusher that everyone expected him to be. He may never be. But let's give him some time to develop, and maybe actually see him in a game that matters, before we write him off as a bust.

SuperSteelers
08-22-2014, 12:43 PM
I've never seen Ben look so bad. This defense is getting run all over on, they are getting passed all over on...And the entire offense looks bad. Hope this isn't a sign of things to come. Grade F....

Welcome back Dean. Haven't seen a post from you in awhile unless I'm blind. Anyhow, even though they stunk last night I have confident this team will get better because of the young talent and the learning curve they need to go through. This team is not the same one from last season that looked old and slow. Just my 2 cents.

Big T
08-22-2014, 12:46 PM
Welcome back Dean. Haven't seen a post from you in awhile unless I'm blind. Anyhow, even though they stunk last night I have confident this team will get better because of the young talent and the learning curve they need to go through. This team is not the same one from last season that looked old and slow. Just my 2 cents.

Agreed. And with all the young guys that are going to HAVE to play, no one should expect them to come out and be dominant right away. It's gonna take some time, but I'm confident they'll be better than last year. At least better than the team that started 2-6 lol

coldrolled
08-22-2014, 12:47 PM
Didnt the Eagles play three TE's

We are behind the curve in the TE offensive attack scheme. heath alone is not the same as the eagles multiple te attack, shazier had his hands full.

K Train
08-22-2014, 12:48 PM
They will win week one, everyone will be like this team is back and damn they look good...i guess preseason really doenst mean anything

Then they will lose week 2 and we will hear about all the busts, and how the coaching staff needs to be fired and how its back to 8-8

And round and round we go

LatrobePA
08-22-2014, 12:49 PM
Overreaction Monday, maybe but damn this team looked pathetic!

Big T
08-22-2014, 12:50 PM
They will win week one, everyone will be like this team is back and damn they look good...i guess preseason really doenst mean anything

Then they will lose week 2 and we will hear about all the busts, and how the coaching staff needs to be fired and how its back to 8-8

And round and round we go

Pretty much

TarlsQtr
08-22-2014, 12:59 PM
They will win week one, everyone will be like this team is back and damn they look good...i guess preseason really doenst mean anything

Then they will lose week 2 and we will hear about all the busts, and how the coaching staff needs to be fired and how its back to 8-8

And round and round we go

Heck, the mood of this board changes based on reports from training camp practices.