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Big T
02-24-2014, 09:13 AM
Thought there should be a thread dedicated to talking combine.

I'll post updates on 40 times and such for those who may be at work, or what have you, and can't watch.

Big T
02-24-2014, 09:14 AM
Clowney with an unofficial 4.47 in his first run.

My goodness

Big T
02-24-2014, 09:19 AM
Looks like Clowney's official is going to be a little over 4.5

Big T
02-24-2014, 09:20 AM
Kony Ealy 4.84 unofficial first run

4.84 unofficial second run

Big T
02-24-2014, 09:21 AM
Aaron Donald 4.65 unofficial first run. Impressive.

4.66 unofficial second run

1.59 10-yard split

Big T
02-24-2014, 09:21 AM
Hageman 4.97 unofficial first run

5.02 unofficial second run

Big T
02-24-2014, 09:25 AM
Jackson Jeffcoat with an unofficial 4.60 first run. Good time.

1.60 10-yard split

steelchamp204
02-24-2014, 09:25 AM
T, you have 2 of these threads

Big T
02-24-2014, 09:26 AM
Timmy Jernigan 5.09 unofficial first run

4.93 unofficial second run. Big difference from his 1st run.

Big T
02-24-2014, 09:26 AM
T, you have 2 of these threads

Ya one posted on accident with an error. I commented for a mod to delete it.

Big T
02-24-2014, 09:37 AM
Clowney with a 4.48 unofficial 2nd run. 1.59 10-yard spit.

Big T
02-24-2014, 09:48 AM
Anthony Johnson 5.25 both runs

Real Deal Steel
02-24-2014, 09:50 AM
Clowney is out of this world.

Big T
02-24-2014, 09:51 AM
Clowney is out of this world.
Indeed

Big T
02-24-2014, 09:54 AM
DeMarcus Lawrence with 4.72 & 4.81 with a 1.62 10-yard split.

TarlsQtr
02-24-2014, 09:59 AM
Yeah, but Clowney's physical attributes have never been in question. He is a freak. It is his head/heart that has some worrying, not that I would be upset at all if he somehow miraculously dropped to us.

Big T
02-24-2014, 10:04 AM
Yeah, but Clowney's physical attributes have never been in question. He is a freak. It is his head/heart that has some worrying, not that I would be upset at all if he somehow miraculously dropped to us.

People have to realize the position he was in last season. Watching his own teammate miss out on being a top 10 pick because he got injured in a year he was required to play. I think he was being careful. I think he wants to be great, and once he gets to the league he'll work at it. I really do.

TarlsQtr
02-24-2014, 10:12 AM
People have to realize the position he was in last season. Watching his own teammate miss out on being a top 10 pick because he got injured in a year he was required to play. I think he was being careful. I think he wants to be great, and once he gets to the league he'll work at it. I really do.

Oh, I agree that the criticism is overwrought. He should be the first player chosen, although an interesting case was made here for Mack: http://blog.triblive.com/steel-mill/2014/02/22/whos-no-1-in-the-nfl-draft-how-about-this-surprise/#axzz2uFi01b8G


INDIANAPOLIS—So who should be the No. 1 pick in the NFL draft 2 1/2 months from now?
Jadeveon Clowney? Johnny Manziel? Even Blake Bortles?
How about … Khalil Mack?
Yes, a player from Buffalo — one who is being compared to another player in the same city, Bills defensive lineman Mario Williams.
And, yes, NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock said he’d take Mack over Clowney, the South Carolina defensive lineman that Mayock says has “superhuman abilities.”
Mack, who is 6-foot-3 and 248 pounds, had 16 forced fumbles, 75 tackles for a loss and 28 1/2 sacks at Buffalo. And if the notion of a linebacker from the Mid-American Conference being chosen No. 1 overall in the draft might seem unlikely, consider that the first overall pick in the 2013 draft also was from the MAC, Central Michigan offensive tackle Eric Fisher, who moved up various draft boards in the days leading up to the draft. Kansas City took him with the No. 1 pick.
Mayock recalls calling up a video of the early season Buffalo at Ohio State game and not knowing what to expect. What he saw was a linebacker who dominated the Buckeyes like no one he had seen before.
“He blew them up. He made plays all over the field, on the edge, dropping into coverage, explosion, hustle,” Mayock said of Mack. “Then I think the next tape I put in was Kent State and he made a one‑handed interception. He runs like a safety. He explodes off the edge. From my perspective in today’s NFL, guys that have natural edge rush ability are like gold; you’ve got to get them when they are available.
“I think he’s one of the elite edge guys in the draft, but he hustles, he’s tough, he can play the run game, and unlike a lot of these guys, he can also drop in coverage. So I have yet to find a hole in his game.”
Mack, of course, is expected to be long gone by the time the Steelers make the No. 15 overall pick.
Mayock said Mack is a prototype outside linebacker in a 3-4 defense like the Steelers play, but could be a strong-side linebacker in a 4-3 defense.
“I think he could play ‑‑ with his skill set and his ability to drop, his ability to ‑‑ I think he could play SAM (linebacker) or WILL to be honest with you. He’s 6‑3, 248. You could line him up on a tight end and he’d be OK,” Mayock said. “I think the important thing is that if you are drafting him as a 4‑3 team you have to make sure that in nickel and sub situations, you’re freeing him up to go get the quarterback and in today’s NFL, because of the versatility in defenses, I think that’s fine.”
Mayock also called Mack “a difference maker.”
And, speaking of Mario Williams, Mayock sees more potential in the 6-foot-6, 250-pound Clowney — despite a senior season that perhaps wasn’t up to expectations — than he did in Williams, a former No. 1 pick of the Texans.
“I know that he’s got the physical makeup to be the best player in the draft. If you want to compare him to Mario Williams, I think he’s a better football player with more upside than when Mario came out of college and he was obviously the first pick,” Mayock said of Clowney.
“So from a physical skill set, this kid is as freaky as they come. He plays a position of critical importance in today’s NFL which is an ability to get the quarterback. He can play multiple places on the defense, so all those things check off.
“My biggest concern is just what’s his mental makeup and how important is it to him when he gets a big paycheck to become the best player in football, or is he just going to be happy to be a millionaire.
“So I think that’s the most critical checking point here from an organization is finding out what the motivation, what kind of kid are they going to get. I know what the football player is when motivated. I just want to know what kind of kid I’m getting.”


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Real Deal Steel
02-24-2014, 10:13 AM
I'm with Big T on this one.

I don't blame Clowney for toning it down last year. Boy the Texans are in a bad spot; they'll get roasted in the media for passing on Clowney to pair with Watt but if they pass on a QB, they'll get roasted that way. Damn if you do, damn if you don't.

Then the Rams are on a hot seat too because with Jack Long's injury, fans will want Clowney too.

Big T
02-24-2014, 10:35 AM
I'm with Big T on this one.

I don't blame Clowney for toning it down last year. Boy the Texans are in a bad spot; they'll get roasted in the media for passing on Clowney to pair with Watt but if they pass on a QB, they'll get roasted that way. Damn if you do, damn if you don't.

Then the Rams are on a hot seat too because with Jack Long's injury, fans will want Clowney too.

They're pretty set on the D line though. If they draft clowney, I think they have to look to trade Chris Long. Quinn, Long, Clowney, Langford, Brockers. You have to play Clowney if you take him and Chris Long is making too much to be a rotational guy.

Big T
02-24-2014, 10:36 AM
Oh, I agree that the criticism is overwrought. He should be the first player chosen, although an interesting case was made here for Mack: http://blog.triblive.com/steel-mill/2014/02/22/whos-no-1-in-the-nfl-draft-how-about-this-surprise/#axzz2uFi01b8G

Mack is a monster as well. Love me some Khalil Mack. In terms of ceiling though, nothing higher than Clowney's.

Real Deal Steel
02-24-2014, 11:20 AM
Mack with JJ would be a nightmare for Flacco and Dalton. LOL.

Mosley ain't bad either.

Big T
02-24-2014, 11:26 AM
Louis Nix 5.35 with a 1.85 10-yard split

2nd 5.37 1.87 split

coldrolled
02-24-2014, 11:32 AM
Mack with JJ would be a nightmare for Flacco and Dalton. LOL.

Mosley ain't bad either.

The Browns need to pick a QB not a Clowney or Watkins... We would be fine with Mosley or Gilbert.

Big T
02-24-2014, 11:32 AM
Michael Sam 4.79 with a 1.72 10-yard split
2nd 4.84

Real Deal Steel
02-24-2014, 12:00 PM
Big T

Got a question: Where do you see a guy like Charles Sims getting drafted? What round? Tough to get a feel now because of the way the runningback position has been devalued.

Big T
02-24-2014, 12:17 PM
Big T

Got a question: Where do you see a guy like Charles Sims getting drafted? What round? Tough to get a feel now because of the way the runningback position has been devalued.

It's not even as much the position getting devalued (which it obviously has been) but more that this is a very underwhelming RB class in general. He's got good size, good speed but his main asset is the fact that he can catch the ball well. He had a lot if catches the last couple years. I'd say he's a solid 3-4 round guy.

Big T
02-24-2014, 12:27 PM
4.53 official for Clowney. 4.68 for Donald.

Damn impressive for both

steelchamp204
02-24-2014, 01:13 PM
I still think Donald could play LE in a 3-4.

Jernigan had a very impressive day. Still think he could be just as good as Nix.

Big T
02-24-2014, 01:30 PM
Anthony Barr unofficial 4.66 first run

4.63 second 1.56 split

Real Deal Steel
02-24-2014, 01:31 PM
Jernigan had a very impressive day. Still think he could be just as good as Nix.

But he'll probably go before we have a shot.

My thinking now is that we go Dennard or Evans, with me still leaning toward Evans. Boy, there's such good talent right in the 14-21 range that I wish we had two picks in that range. We could do some damage.

steelchamp204
02-24-2014, 01:39 PM
But he'll probably go before we have a shot.

My thinking now is that we go Dennard or Evans, with me still leaning toward Evans. Boy, there's such good talent right in the 14-21 range that I wish we had two picks in that range. We could do some damage.

Truth is, not everyone can go in the first round. There will be plenty of talent there in the 2nd also.

Big T
02-24-2014, 01:43 PM
Khalil Mack unofficial 4.66 firs run. 1.56 10-yard split

4.62 second attempt

Big T
02-24-2014, 01:53 PM
Kyle Van Noy 4.66 first attempt

4.60 second attempt 1.60 split

Big T
02-24-2014, 02:47 PM
Ronald Powell surprised me with a good 4.53. He could rush the passer at UF.

6'3 240ish. Could be a decent late round pickup. A guy who could develop into a pass rush specialist.

Big T
02-24-2014, 02:49 PM
Pierre Louis and Telvon Smith tearing it up as WLBs. Couple of light guys but they can run. 4.41 unofficial times with 1.54 and 1.53 splits respectively. Impressive.

Official 4.51 for Pierre Louis

Official 4.52 for Smith

Real Deal Steel
02-24-2014, 02:51 PM
Truth is, not everyone can go in the first round. There will be plenty of talent there in the 2nd also.

No doubt. But Jernigan has the look of a Chicago Bear. Unfortunately.

Big T
02-24-2014, 03:00 PM
Official 4.65 or Mack
Official 4.66 for Barr

NeilPatrickBanana
02-24-2014, 03:34 PM
I still think Donald could play LE in a 3-4.

Jernigan had a very impressive day. Still think he could be just as good as Nix.

neither is a fit without a schematic change... and i don't mean a basic scheme change to 4-3... i mean a change in what we ask our front 3 to do. These guys are classic 1 gappers. Unless we change our front to more 1 gap responsibilities and therefor ask our OLBs to provide more Strong Side run gap control/run support (this is actually quite possible since Jarvis Jones strengths appear like they are going to be in sustaining his gap, run support, etc... and not as a pass rusher).

I can't see Donald anchoring as a 5 tech, owning 2 gaps, on the outside... he's too small. But if they wanted to get schematically diverse like the Seahawks... I could definitely see Donald in an Undertackle type of role within the 3-4 front.

If we changed our 3-4 scheme to a 1 gap system a la Wade Phillips scheme... then Donald fits, but in a 2 gap front 3, Donald simply can't fit.

OR

We simply do what the best defense in the NFL does... and that's merge 1 gap and 2 gap schemes to such a degree that you can't be labeled one or the other... it's funny watching people try to define Seattle... "they are a 1 gap team, in a 3-4 front"... "no, they are a 3-4 team, with 4-3 principles!"... lol, neither are correct... the truth is they are a diverse team, that runs more than a half dozen different fronts, mixing and matching 1 and 2 gap principles.

They have the personnel to do it.

ChucktownSteeler
02-24-2014, 07:49 PM
People have to realize the position he was in last season. Watching his own teammate miss out on being a top 10 pick because he got injured in a year he was required to play. I think he was being careful. I think he wants to be great, and once he gets to the league he'll work at it. I really do.

Correct, he had a front row seat to the Marcus Lattimore injury.

mcfly06
02-24-2014, 11:53 PM
Mack is a beast I wish there was a way for us to take him but it don't make since and he will be long gone before we draft. Ive seen a lot of him this year and last year being that Im a Sr at Kent State so seen him in person against Kent State. And here in Ohio northeast part they play a lot of MAC games on local TV. I don't know if well take anyone that went today, do you think we will? I still think we need too really watch tomorrow with the DBs that and WR is our biggest need to me. I want Mike Evans, Kelvin Benjiamen, but this WR class is REALLY DEEP this year. Cant wait to see these DBs. Players like Pyor from Lousiville, Dix from Bama, Dennard from Michigan State, Gilbert from OK St. Just to name a few.

SuperSteelers
02-25-2014, 12:19 AM
All I'm seeing is a lot of names that the Steelers have no shot at drafting or are already set at that particular position.

Mike Tomlin
02-25-2014, 03:01 AM
neither is a fit without a schematic change... and i don't mean a basic scheme change to 4-3... i mean a change in what we ask our front 3 to do. These guys are classic 1 gappers. Unless we change our front to more 1 gap responsibilities and therefor ask our OLBs to provide more Strong Side run gap control/run support (this is actually quite possible since Jarvis Jones strengths appear like they are going to be in sustaining his gap, run support, etc... and not as a pass rusher).

I can't see Donald anchoring as a 5 tech, owning 2 gaps, on the outside... he's too small. But if they wanted to get schematically diverse like the Seahawks... I could definitely see Donald in an Undertackle type of role within the 3-4 front.

If we changed our 3-4 scheme to a 1 gap system a la Wade Phillips scheme... then Donald fits, but in a 2 gap front 3, Donald simply can't fit.

OR

We simply do what the best defense in the NFL does... and that's merge 1 gap and 2 gap schemes to such a degree that you can't be labeled one or the other... it's funny watching people try to define Seattle... "they are a 1 gap team, in a 3-4 front"... "no, they are a 3-4 team, with 4-3 principles!"... lol, neither are correct... the truth is they are a diverse team, that runs more than a half dozen different fronts, mixing and matching 1 and 2 gap principles.

They have the personnel to do it.

Man i've been waiting for the day that Dick turns our d-line loose. I understand his 3-4 principles but when those linebackers aren't getting there it should be all hands on deck. A guy like Ziggy Hood is getting killed because he's not allowed to be who he is. He can be a terror if he finds himself in this scheme. He has to play assignment football at the snap, but when you diagnose the play be ZIGGY, the assignment **** is over at that point. Thats what I think Tomlin meant by saying assignment football is kickin somebodies *** or something like that lol. I think Cam Heyward finally being himself will help Hood get the point. Yeah be in position at the snap, but when you diagnose the play go be that guy that was unblockable against some of the better tackles that year at the senior bowl. The day that I see Cam spin off a block into the hole to stuff the running back i'll know he is completely in his zone. I don't know how Coach Mitchell will like it but that was his signature move in college. Like Bell with his leaping or when I saw Jason having one of his better games this year he got down in a 3 point stance then quickly jumped up shook his head and laughed. He was in a zone ,he probably thought he was back at Virgina Tech lol.

NeilPatrickBanana
02-25-2014, 09:10 AM
Kyle Van Noy 4.66 first attempt

4.60 second attempt 1.60 split

That's impressive... Van Noy is a sleeper top 15 pick.

K Train
02-25-2014, 09:26 AM
Gilbert with a 4.35 and looked disappointed. Kinda stumbled

Fuller with a really impressive 4.4

NeilPatrickBanana
02-25-2014, 09:29 AM
Dennard at 4.42 solidifies himself as the #1 CB IMO

I've been pimping him for awhile... he's gonna be a man 2 man stud

K Train
02-25-2014, 09:50 AM
No way lol. Gilbert has separated himself, both did what they had to do but it would be shocking to me if Gilbert wasnt the first CB off the board. That speed is great but he looks like the top guy, Id say top 10 lock but i dont think thats true. he is significantly better than stephon gilmore though.

They will go 1,2 but Gilbert gets the slight nod unless he was bat **** crazy in the interviews (wouldnt surprise me)

steelchamp204
02-25-2014, 10:09 AM
Dennard at 4.42 solidifies himself as the #1 CB IMO

I've been pimping him for awhile... he's gonna be a man 2 man stud

I hope he works on looking back for the ball more often and lays off the grabbing/pulling of the WR jerseys. He won't get away with that in the NFL as much as he did in the Big Ten.

Real Deal Steel
02-25-2014, 10:16 AM
Give me Gilbert over Dennard if given the choice. I want the bigger corner (for the outside receivers) guy all the time. :)

Big T
02-25-2014, 10:22 AM
Give me Gilbert over Dennard if given the choice. I want the bigger corner (for the outside receivers) guy all the time. :)

Unless they decide to go in a different direction schematically, Gilbert is a better fit than Dennard.

Real Deal Steel
02-25-2014, 10:25 AM
Unless they decide to go in a different direction schematically, Gilbert is a better fit than Dennard.

D!ckhead isn't going to change his defensive schematics. LOL. Dick is going to teach all his cornerbacks to give the WR 10 yard cushions like he always does. hahahahaha

I can't wait until they get rid of Lebum. I"m tired of how slow he is to make adjustments when his initial game plan is getting shredded. And I"m tired of 10 yard cushions. But until then, it is what it is.

Real Deal Steel
02-25-2014, 10:26 AM
If Donald Duck were in the X spot, and Minny Mouse were in the Y spot, Lebum would still give them 10 cushions.

K Train
02-25-2014, 10:28 AM
D!ckhead isn't going to change his defensive schematics. LOL. Dick is going to teach all his cornerbacks to give the WR 10 yard cushions like he always does. hahahahaha

I can't wait until they get rid of Lebum. I"m tired of how slow he is to make adjustments when his initial game plan is getting shredded. And I"m tired of 10 yard cushions. But until then, it is what it is.
man, you should coach the defense!

K Train
02-25-2014, 10:29 AM
Dennard is struggling in drills, gilbert making it look easy...almost taking it too lightly

WindyCityShaker
02-25-2014, 10:35 AM
Give me Gilbert over Dennard if given the choice. I want the bigger corner (for the outside receivers) guy all the time. :)

AND faster AND stronger

steelchamp204
02-25-2014, 10:35 AM
Quick question guys.

If Gilbert is gone but HaHa and Dennard are there at 15, who you go with??

I'm taking HaHa and then Fuller/Baptise in the 3rd.

WindyCityShaker
02-25-2014, 10:37 AM
Quick question guys.

If Gilbert is gone but HaHa and Dennard are there at 15, who you go with??

I'm taking HaHa and then Fuller/Baptise in the 3rd.

Fuller's looking good, not so sure he makes the 3rd anymore.

NeilPatrickBanana
02-25-2014, 10:39 AM
Give me Gilbert over Dennard if given the choice. I want the bigger corner (for the outside receivers) guy all the time. :)

It's funny... you want the Steelers to play less off man coverage (you refer to cushions... but it's "off man" or "zone" coverages), and yet Gilbert is Tailor made to play off man coverage, his elite athleticism is perfect... and he played a ton of it at Oklahoma St.

And Dennard, is the one who plays a ton of man press, the coverage you seem to wish Lebeau would use more of.

Odd... but not surprising.

K Train
02-25-2014, 10:41 AM
Quick question guys.

If Gilbert is gone but HaHa and Dennard are there at 15, who you go with??

I'm taking HaHa and then Fuller/Baptise in the 3rd.
Pryor over Haha imo

NeilPatrickBanana
02-25-2014, 10:43 AM
Quick question guys.

If Gilbert is gone but HaHa and Dennard are there at 15, who you go with??

I'm taking HaHa and then Fuller/Baptise in the 3rd.

Right now, I have Dennard at #9, and Gilbert at #13 on my board.

HaHa might fall to the 3rd safety on my board... Jimmie Ward is the FS I want.

I'll be posting an updated board on the War Room board in a few days...

steelchamp204
02-25-2014, 10:52 AM
Pryor over Haha imo

I like Pryor also, but how he plays won't go well with the softness and fines the NFL likes to give out. I like Dix range better also.

WindyCityShaker
02-25-2014, 10:52 AM
It's funny... you want the Steelers to play less off man coverage (you refer to cushions... but it's "off man" or "zone" coverages), and yet Gilbert is Tailor made to play off man coverage, his elite athleticism is perfect... and he played a ton of it at Oklahoma St.

And Dennard, is the one who plays a ton of man press, the coverage you seem to wish Lebeau would use more of.

Odd... but not surprising.

So you don't think Gilbert's capable of press coverage as well?

Real Deal Steel
02-25-2014, 10:55 AM
Yes I want the Steelers to play more press coverage. But I know it won't happen with "Dick" as the DC. So Gilbert is obviously the better choice because of his size and he's a good tackler "after" he allows the guy to catch the ball becuase of "dick's" scheme. sigh :(

Real Deal Steel
02-25-2014, 10:56 AM
So you don't think Gilbert's capable of press coverage as well?

I think what Neil is intimating is that Dennard is the better press cover guy at this moment. That's what he did most of the time at Michigan St.

NeilPatrickBanana
02-25-2014, 10:59 AM
So you don't think Gilbert's capable of press coverage as well?

Capable? absolutely... I think Gilbert is versatile enough to do it all, in a Patrick Peterson way (press, off man, zone... etc). To some, that is what the BEST corners do. Do I think he would be utilized at his best playing island/man/press snap after snap, hell no.

But Dennard would be at his best in a Jets/Revis island role. You wouldn't put Dennard in off man, or zone often... or at all. You'd play him like Sherman... he plays press man or press-cover 3... on every snap.

WindyCityShaker
02-25-2014, 11:05 AM
Capable? absolutely... I think Gilbert is versatile enough to do it all, in a Patrick Peterson way (press, off man, zone... etc). To some, that is what the BEST corners do. Do I think he would be utilized at his best playing island/man/press snap after snap, hell no.

But Dennard would be at his best in a Jets/Revis island role. You wouldn't put Dennard in off man, or zone often... or at all. You'd play him like Sherman... he plays press man or press-cover 3... on every snap.

I'm one of those people. I don't want him in man press all day, I want that schematic versatility, isn't that what you preach, about hybrid defenses, about not having "a" scheme, but being able to morph into whatever is needed. I just feel Gilbert is that guy for us.

Real Deal Steel
02-25-2014, 11:09 AM
I hope Gilbert can do it all. But we know what dick is going to have him do. Cushion city!

NeilPatrickBanana
02-25-2014, 11:18 AM
I'm one of those people. I don't want him in man press all day, I want that schematic versatility, isn't that what you preach, about hybrid defenses, about not having "a" scheme, but being able to morph into whatever is needed. I just feel Gilbert is that guy for us.

I believe in a more hybrid scheme up front (front 7)... to be able to attack an offense from every angle/gap/pressure point.

From a coverage standpoint, I will take a guy who can lock down the opponents #1 WR all day... over the scheme versatile athlete.

Now, I believe the island lock down corner is more rare, and if you don't have one, I would certainly prefer schematic versatility over a 2nd tier man corner.

Seattle is as versatile as it gets up front... but in the secondary they do 2 things, and practically 2 things only... they play Man Cover 1 (CBs in man 2 man, FS in single high) and Man Cover 3 (CBs in Man Cover 3, FS in Middle Deep). They line up the same so you can't distinguish one from the other until the corners stick or drop, and you are either getting man 2 man coverage or 3 zones.

Where as Arizona runs (more so under Horton) every coverage scheme in the book, because they have someone like Peterson who can do everything.

My preference for Dennard is because I actually believe that the team would change schematically based on elite talent... they wanted Revis... Lovie Smith has been a cover 2 guy discipline his entire life, and he'll change it up because Revis' skill set and talent demand it.

If we draft Justin Gilbert... would we change anything schematically? I doubt it... and if we don't change schematically, how much value does Gilbert add?

LatrobePA
02-25-2014, 11:26 AM
Yes I want the Steelers to play more press coverage. But I know it won't happen with "Dick" as the DC. So Gilbert is obviously the better choice because of his size and he's a good tackler "after" he allows the guy to catch the ball becuase of "dick's" scheme. sigh :(

No sense in arguing with Neilpuddingpacker he's always right...

WindyCityShaker
02-25-2014, 11:30 AM
I'm excited about this draft class. I will say this too, I think Colbert needs to hit on this draft, and I mean on a minimum of 3-4 starters (1 starter, 1 contributor this year, the other two within 2 years) I think the talent is there for that. Screwing the pooch on this draft would be catastrophic. With the exception of injuries, other unforeseen problems, this draft should absolutely have impact on his future employ.

NeilPatrickBanana
02-25-2014, 11:35 AM
No sense in arguing with Neilpuddingpacker he's always right...

Good post.

WindyCityShaker
02-25-2014, 11:43 AM
I believe in a more hybrid scheme up front (front 7)... to be able to attack an offense from every angle/gap/pressure point.

From a coverage standpoint, I will take a guy who can lock down the opponents #1 WR all day... over the scheme versatile athlete.

Now, I believe the island lock down corner is more rare, and if you don't have one, I would certainly prefer schematic versatility over a 2nd tier man corner.

Where as Arizona runs (more so under Horton) every coverage scheme in the book, because they have someone like Peterson who can do everything.

My preference for Dennard is because I actually believe that the team would change schematically based on elite talent... they wanted Revis... Lovie Smith has been a cover 2 guy discipline his entire life, and he'll change it up because Revis' skill set and talent demand it.

If we draft Justin Gilbert... would we change anything schematically? I doubt it... and if we don't change schematically, how much value does Gilbert add?

I get it. I do. We'll see if the league continues to allow that style of play. What worries me is if they'd let Dennard play his style playing for the dirty, cheating Steelers.

I'm also not convinced that Lovie will change, he's literally perfected that cover two. Nor am I convinced that DLB would change. They need to ask him to move on, give him his Rolex, hell give him a statue, for what he's contributed to the game and this organization, then we can see about lock down corners.

WindyCityShaker
02-25-2014, 11:56 AM
Baptiste 4.53
Joyner 4.53
Pryor 4.62
Purifoy 4.55
Reynolds - missed it
Roberson 4.66
Roby 4.40

Real Deal Steel
02-25-2014, 11:57 AM
DLB ain't changing jack! The only time he even contemplates change is AFTER his initial game plan gets smoked and Tomlin then ask him to put new wrinkles in the game plan. LOL

WindyCityShaker
02-25-2014, 12:00 PM
Verrett 4.41
Watkins 4.50

WindyCityShaker
02-25-2014, 12:06 PM
2nd attempts
Baptiste 4.58
Joyner 4.52
Ladler 4.75 (1) 4.72 (2)
Loston 4.58 (2)

K Train
02-25-2014, 12:14 PM
Baptiste with a 4.5 at his size is impressive

WindyCityShaker
02-25-2014, 12:16 PM
Pryor 4.60
Reynolds 4.64 (1) 4.59 (2)
Roberson 4.59
Roby 4.41
Verrett 4.41
Watkins4.44

WindyCityShaker
02-25-2014, 12:19 PM
Baptiste with a 4.5 at his size is impressive

Agreed. Gonna be interesting to watch him in drills though

NeilPatrickBanana
02-25-2014, 12:26 PM
Baptiste 4.53
Joyner 4.53
Pryor 4.62
Purifoy 4.55
Reynolds - missed it
Roberson 4.66
Roby 4.40

that's going to hurt him

Big T
02-25-2014, 12:53 PM
that's going to hurt him

4.58 official for Pryor

Verrett has been very impressive today. He's helped himself. 4.38 official. Looked very smooth in the drills.

K Train
02-25-2014, 12:55 PM
Pryor plays like a missile. 4.58 is plenty, vaccaro was a 4.6 guys last year