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Clevelandsux
01-31-2014, 07:37 PM
Nobody Epitimizes post 70s steelers football than Jerome bettis. I thought for sure he was a shoe in for the hall of fame. 6th all time leading rusher etc. but sounds like he could get snubbed again this year. I just don't get it?

Big T
01-31-2014, 08:34 PM
Once again, a Hall of Fame case for Jerome Bettis
January 25, 2014 9:22 PM
By Ed Bouchette / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


The man who traded for Jerome Bettis and those who coached him his entire career with the Steelers do not understand it. Why isn't he in the Pro Football Hall of Fame?

How has one of the most unique and productive runners in NFL history not yet been inducted?

He is the sixth-leading all-time rusher in a league where every other player in the top 14 is in the Pro Football Hall of Fame except two not yet eligible. He ran for 13,662 yards over 13 seasons, eclipsed 1,000 eight times and practically willed his team to a Super Bowl championship.

He did it all while suffering from asthma, a breathing disorder that can make walking up a small hill difficult. Bettis often could be seen sucking on an inhaler between offensive series.

On Saturday, Jerome Bettis, by far the best heavyweight back the NFL has ever seen and one of its great "closers," will carry those accomplishments and much more into his fourth chance to be elected to the Hall of Fame in Canton.

"One of the biggest qualities of Jerome was his durability," said Bill Cowher, his only head coach with the Steelers. "He didn't miss many games. His productivity speaks for itself. What he did over a period of time was short of amazing, amazing for the type of back that he was.

"When you look at power running backs and his running style and his ability week-in and week-out, year-in and year-out, it made him very special."

Tom Donahoe, then the Steelers director of football operations, made the trade with the St. Louis Rams that brought Bettis to the Steelers just before the start of the 1996 draft.

"He did it over such a long period of time," Donahoe said. "Everybody knew he was getting the ball and they still couldn't stop him. He had a lot of big games, a lot of yards, a lot of tough yards."

And longtime Steelers backs coach Dick Hoak, who coached Franco Harris and Bettis for their entire careers, said "he was a first-year Hall of Fame guy in my opinion."

Maybe those three are biased, but what Bettis did and what he meant to those Steelers teams from 1996 through his last game, Super Bowl XL in his hometown of Detroit 10 years later, was pretty much everything.

He led them on the field and off, he helped set a tone and a culture in their locker room that lasted for years. And for many of those years, Bettis was their offense. Other than playing his final two seasons in Ben Roethlisberger's first two seasons, none of his quarterbacks will ever knock on the doors of the Hall of Fame: Jim Everett, Chris Miller, T.J. Rubley and Chris Chandler with the Rams, and Mike Tomczak, Kordell Stewart, Kent Graham and Tommy Maddox with the Steelers.

No John Elway. No Terry Bradshaw. No Peyton Manning. Not even a Kurt Warner in the bunch.

"With all due respect," Cowher said, "for most of his career he played in an offense without a quarterback you could name."

For the most part, when opponents played the Steelers, they had one main goal: Stop Jerome Bettis. For the most part, they could not.

Said Cowher, "Whoever it was, any of our quarterbacks, when you played us, we were a running offense and what we accomplished with a running offense was pretty amazing. He gave us our identity. We ran what people knew we were going to run. We were a running football team. If you wanted to stop the Pittsburgh Steelers, you had to stop the run first."

Bill Cowher's teams had a phenomenal record when they led in games by more than 10 points -- 106-1-1.

"A lot of times, we gave it to him three times on every series in the fourth quarter," Cowher said. "He ate up the clock. My record of 106-1-1 with more than a 10-point lead was because of Jerome Bettis.


"In the latter part of his career, he was the short-yardage runner for us, a fourth-quarter runner. He ran when people knew we were running. And if you ever talk about closers in the game of football, he closed a game. He knew how to get a first down in the fourth quarter. He wore on people."

Cowher, Hoak and Donahoe all mentioned how defenders would be weary of tackling Bettis in the second halves of games.

"It was fun to watch games when people were just getting out of the way in the third quarter because they were tired of hitting him," Donahoe said.

"There were so many turn-down hits on him because of his style," Cowher said. "Yet I never saw Jerome Bettis get knocked backwards. He had a great feel for contact, a great feel and vision for holes and a great resilience to be there week-in and week-out.''

There have been backs who posted amazing rushing stats in the NFL for short periods of time, but many of them fizzled out because they did not have the staying power, because they could not overcome injuries or because all of those hits merely wore them down.

Bettis kept running, over the course of 13 seasons in the NFL. Some point to his career 3.9-yard average per carry as a negative (81 more yards would have given him a 4.0), but he was still picking up those third-and-2 first downs as he closed in on his 34th birthday. His latter-day runs dragged down his average, but he was a valuable commodity to the Steelers right up until the day he retired hoisting the Lombardi Trophy in his hometown.

He inspired the Steelers to that Super Bowl XL victory and during that run, he famously bowled through the great middle linebacker of the Chicago Bears, Brian Urlacher, for a touchdown in the snow.

In his first six seasons with the Steelers, Bettis ran for 7,785 yards, 40 touchdowns and a 4.1-yard average per carry. During the latter part of his career, he was used more sparingly as a short-yardage and goal-line back. Yet he continued to thrive. At age 32 in 2004, he took a back seat in the first half of the season to newcomer Duce Staley, although Cowher continued to insert Bettis into the game at the goal line and The Bus rarely failed him.

When Staley went down with an injury, Bettis took over in the second half of that season with a rookie quarterback at the helm in Roethlisberger. Bettis produced 877 yards on 213 carries over eight games, with six 100-yard games during that span.

Cowher did not play him in the final game of the season at Buffalo because the Steelers had already clinched the top playoff seed, keeping Bettis 59 yards short of his ninth 1,000-yard rushing season.

While only five backs produced more yards in their careers, no heavyweight back ever came close.

Bettis played most of his career at between 250 and 265 pounds. No back of 240 or more ever gained even half of his yardage. Big backs are big targets, but Bettis used his amazingly quick feet to avoid the kinds of big hits that knocked others from the game too early.

"A lot of people thought he was just a power runner," Hoak said. "He wasn't. He had great, great feet for guy as big as he was."

"To me," Cowher said, "he had the best feet for any big running back I have ever seen. For a tackle-to-tackle runner, no one could jump-cut like he could at 250. He was special, he was unique, he was a game-changer."

On top of it all, he was the leader of those Steelers teams, with the type of personality that others willingly followed, most famously during that run to Super Bowl XL in which he implored his teammates to "get me home" to Detroit for that game.

"He was one of the most unselfish players I was ever around," said Cowher.

"One of the best leaders I've been around," Donahoe said.

Said Steelers President Art Rooney II, "It's time. Jerome Bettis needs to be in the Hall of Fame."

TarlsQtr
01-31-2014, 08:35 PM
He has a couple of things going against him.

1) He is a Steeler. Since the 70's, there has been a backlash against Steelers making the hall because they would need their own wing. There are a lot of Steelers from the 70's who deserve to be in too but have not. Obviously, that should not come into play with a guy who played in the 90's and 2000s, but it does.

2) There is number of people who think Bettis was nothing special but played a long time. The argument can be made (although I disagree with it). If you look at the NFL leading rushers not in, other than Tomlinson who is not yet hall eligible, the closest rusher to Bettis at 6th all time is Fred Taylor at 15.

There is no excuse for leaving him out.

Clevelandsux
01-31-2014, 09:56 PM
I'm sorry, but bettis deserves to be in the hall before Derrick brooks.

LatrobePA
02-01-2014, 02:02 PM
Bettis should of been in before fatass SAPP!!

ChucktownSteeler
02-01-2014, 04:36 PM
Because of the NFL bias against the Steelers and the rat b$stard commie commish Goodell.

TarlsQtr
02-01-2014, 04:42 PM
Because of the NFL bias against the Steelers and the rat b$stard commie commish Goodell.

It is voted on by writers, not Goodell or NFL staff.

Big T
02-01-2014, 06:56 PM
@EdBouchette: As a Hall voter, I also agreed to wait until the announcement, but since it's out, Jerome Bettis did not make it. He made final 10, not 5

Clevelandsux
02-01-2014, 10:34 PM
It's bullshit.

steelchamp204
02-01-2014, 11:17 PM
How the **** did Brooks get in before Bettis?? Seriousy.

NeilPatrickBanana
02-01-2014, 11:29 PM
How the **** did Brooks get in before Bettis?? Seriousy.

I believe Bettis belongs in the hall, I believe he will get there in the next few years... but if I were a voter, and I had a choice between Brooks and Bettis and could only pick one... I'd pick Brooks everytime. but... im not a homer...so it's obvious to me

11 pro bowls (10 straight) vs 6 pro bowls
5 first team all pro vs 2 all pro selections

MacAttack
02-01-2014, 11:30 PM
How the **** did Brooks get in before Bettis?? Seriousy.

I can only assume you're not aware of Brooks' credentials to make this comment. He was the biggest slam dunk candidate for the Hall this year and it only took the voters nine minutes of deliberation before voting him in.

Whathehadas
02-01-2014, 11:57 PM
I can only assume you're not aware of Brooks' credentials to make this comment. He was the biggest slam dunk candidate for the Hall this year and it only took the voters nine minutes of deliberation before voting him in.

Actually to be honest....Brooks is better than any of the LB's for the Steelers in the HOF. Dude stats speak for themselves. Tampa's Dline wasn't great for all his years either.

steelchamp204
02-02-2014, 12:28 AM
I can only assume you're not aware of Brooks' credentials to make this comment. He was the biggest slam dunk candidate for the Hall this year and it only took the voters nine minutes of deliberation before voting him in.

Yep, I was speaking out of my ***, I do that from time to time. I think Bettis will be in by 2017 though. I don't think he will be in next year either.

I don't understand how Charles Haley isnt in yet though

Big T
02-02-2014, 01:46 AM
What I don't understand is Andre Reed being in over Bettis. I get he's been eligible for a while but come on now. And how does Andre Reed make it over Tim Brown (who didn't even make top 10)?

Andre Reed
234 Games
217 Starts
951 catches
13,198 yards
87 RecTDs
500 Rush Yards
1 RuTD
648 Return Yards
0 Return TDs
7 Pro Bowls
0 Super Bowl Rings

Tim Brown
255 Games
202 Starts
1094 Catches
14,934 Yards
100 RecTDs
190 Rush Yards
1 RuTD
4555 Return Yards
4 Return TDs
9 Pro Bowls
0 Super Bowl Rings

Big T
02-02-2014, 01:58 AM
The biggest joke of the day was Luke Kuechly winning DPOY. Such a joke. Kuechly is very good but he was in no way, shape, or form the best defensive player in the league this year. Robert Quinn or JJ Watt deserved it more than anyone. Just as a reference, and a damn good one, PFF had Kuechly ranked as the 8th ILB in the league this year.

Kiko Alonzo
159 tackles
4 INTs
2 sacks

Luke Kuechly
156 tackles
4 INTs
2 sacks

If Kuechly is DPOY, how is Kiko not DROY? That's not a knock on Sheldon Richardson either. He absolutely deserved DROY, which is exactly my point. JJ Watt, playing the same position as Richardson, played nearly 4x better than Richardson according to PFF. Kuechly wasn't even the best LB in his division (Lavonte David). I honestly have no idea how Kuechly won DPOY. Seriously. It's mind boggling.

Steeler4life
02-02-2014, 08:49 PM
He's not in the HOF yet because what made Bettis Bettis is not looked at. IMO Cowher described best why the bus was so good. Sadly looking at the whole picture, the real trench work is not often done. He was great at what he did and what the Steelers had to do to win but to most outside Steeler Nation, he could easily get overlooked. His style wasn't dynamic, electrifying if you will. He didn't slash back and forth with speed making people miss, he simply ran straight into them and plowed them over.

I'm sure there is more to it, politics, favoritism, whatever but IMO it's similar to the effect when Ben R gets ranked by people who don't play the game. World of Fantasy Football I guess, all about flashy numbers. Who the hell knows, I don't even know why I'm commenting in this :dunno:

tat2
02-07-2014, 01:22 PM
also how is Kevin (third all-time sack leader) Greene not in the HOF?

NeilPatrickBanana
02-07-2014, 03:58 PM
The biggest joke of the day was Luke Kuechly winning DPOY. Such a joke. Kuechly is very good but he was in no way, shape, or form the best defensive player in the league this year. Robert Quinn or JJ Watt deserved it more than anyone. Just as a reference, and a damn good one, PFF had Kuechly ranked as the 8th ILB in the league this year.

Kiko Alonzo
159 tackles
4 INTs
2 sacks

Luke Kuechly
156 tackles
4 INTs
2 sacks

If Kuechly is DPOY, how is Kiko not DROY? That's not a knock on Sheldon Richardson either. He absolutely deserved DROY, which is exactly my point. JJ Watt, playing the same position as Richardson, played nearly 4x better than Richardson according to PFF. Kuechly wasn't even the best LB in his division (Lavonte David). I honestly have no idea how Kuechly won DPOY. Seriously. It's mind boggling.

Defensive Player of the Year has largely been tied to a top player on a great defense. Jared Allen didn't win it for his 22 sack season, graded as DPOY by PFF... because Minnesota was simply terrible.

I think you can make arguments that Sherman should have won it. Mathis and Quinn had good individual years, but weren't changers of their defense. Bowman had a sick year, but he plays around 2 other guys that have DPOY contenders in the past...

Kuechly was the backbone of that defense. He doesn't get the stats, but he's the core component that allows their front 4 to pin their ears back and attack their gaps. He is an elite pursuit MLB, and growing as a coverage guy. He plays DEEP and is still a ridiculous run stopper... he's versatility in alignment is THE core component of the leagues #2 defense.

eDIT: But i agree that Kiko should have been DROY

Clevelandsux
02-07-2014, 04:04 PM
I would take bettis over brooks anyday. Bettis is 4 years past due. 6th all time leading rusher and not in the hall? I would take him over Walter jones or Andre reed. I think it has to do with #1 the steelers already have so many hall of famers. Which is not bettis fault. And number two, bettis really hasn't been in the public eye of late. Where guys
Like strahan are on tv constantly. I'm not knocking Any of the guys going into the hall, but bettis belongs in the hall. And not 5 years from now. It's politics for sure.

NeilPatrickBanana
02-07-2014, 04:19 PM
I would take bettis over brooks anyday. Bettis is 4 years past due. 6th all time leading rusher and not in the hall? I would take him over Walter jones or Andre reed. I think it has to do with #1 the steelers already have so many hall of famers. Which is not bettis fault. And number two, bettis really hasn't been in the public eye of late. Where guys
Like strahan are on tv constantly. I'm not knocking Any of the guys going into the hall, but bettis belongs in the hall. And not 5 years from now. It's politics for sure.

I think you are just being a homer... Brooks is arguably the best WLB of all time.

Brooks is a Top 10 ALL TIME Linebacker (any position)

Brooks was the best OLB 4-3 in the entire NFL for most of his career... Bettis was hardly the best RB in any given year, let alone over many years.

Look, Bettis should get into the HOF at some point. He has the numbers. But there's no reason to be stupid about it. Bettis over Brooks is just being stupid.

Dean Denton
02-07-2014, 04:25 PM
If the steelers make the super bowl next year Bettis will get in. Just like Jones this year for Seattle and Ogden last year. Seems like there is a special team gift every year for the HOF. Not saying Ogden wasn't worthy, but Jones over bettis, Haley, or brown? No....

Big T
02-07-2014, 06:40 PM
If the steelers make the super bowl next year Bettis will get in. Just like Jones this year for Seattle and Ogden last year. Seems like there is a special team gift every year for the HOF. Not saying Ogden wasn't worthy, but Jones over bettis, Haley, or brown? No....

Walter Jones is one of the greatest NFL players of all-time, regardless of position. He was on the field at left tackle for 5,703 pass attempts, but he was called for holding only nine times (once in every 633 passes or .0016). Insane. He was beaten for a sack only 23 times. Less than twice a season. He allowed a sack one every 248 pass attempts or .004 percent of the time. 9 time Pro Bowler, 6 time All-Pro. He also was voted to the NFL’s All Decade team for 2000-10. In 2005, Sporting News listed Jones as the best player in the NFL at any position.

He absolutely deserved to get in over Bettis. As did Brooks. Bettis' time will come. He absolutely should already be in, but he'll get there.

http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=seattle-seahawks&id=2195&src=desktop

ChucktownSteeler
02-08-2014, 10:43 AM
It is voted on by writers, not Goodell or NFL staff.

Naive

TarlsQtr
02-08-2014, 03:20 PM
Naive

No, just not looking for Obama's "real" birth certificate...