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TarlsQtr
01-29-2014, 01:34 PM
This kind of shoots to hell the whole "players have tuned Tomlin out" argument. They like him. I would also point out that the list is filled with winning coaches, so the "they chose soft coaches" line does not really work.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2013/story/_/id/10363366/pete-carroll-seattle-seahawks-voted-coach-most-players-play-espn-survey


RENTON, Wash. -- Seattle Seahawks coach Pete Carroll seemed a little stunned when told he was the clear winner in ESPN.com's NFL Nation Confidential question: "Which head coach would you most like to play for?"

He also quickly saw an advantage to it.

"I'm surprised by that," said Carroll, who received 23 percent of the votes in an anonymous survey. "But, hey, free agency is a big deal to us. Maybe that can help us down the road."

NFL Nation reporters surveyed more than 320 players on a wide range of questions over a six-week period in November and December. Carroll was the most popular coaching choice with 72 votes. Pittsburgh Steelers coach Mike Tomlin finished second with 44 votes (14 percent).

Carroll is seen as the ultimate players' coach, but some might say he won the vote because he's viewed as being soft on players.

Seahawks linebacker and team captain Heath Farwell said that perception isn't true. Farwell said Carroll is respected by players because of his clear teaching methods and his positive-reinforcement approach to coaching.

"If you make a mistake, he uses that as a teachable moment," Farwell said. "Pete explains what you did wrong and how you can correct. If you do something wrong, he will say that's not acceptable by the organization and explain why.

"We all make mistakes, but with Pete, it's about learning from it. He's not a talk-down-to-you or yell-at-you kind of coach."

Carroll gets a little agitated when people assume he's some type of new-age guru who walks around practice every day chanting peace and love. But he's never had the old-school, drill-sergeant approach to coaching.

"It's something that I think I've always done naturally, in respect to the players," Carroll said. "There are plenty of ways to adjust their play or be critical without doing it in the public eye.

"But we're open around here. We're honest enough and straightforward enough that we can talk right to our guys about any issue in front of the rest of the team."

Farwell said Carroll makes playing the game fun, but it isn't a party. The Seahawks didn't become Super Bowl contenders this season by goofing off.

"We practice hard on every play and we work as hard as any team, or harder," Farwell said. "But it's a fun team to play on because Pete's always so positive. He's the biggest cheerleader on the sidelines. He coaches with passion, and that's why guys play hard for him."

Carroll has no intention of emphasizing what a player does wrong.

"We don't feel like we benefit from that," he said. "We want to tell them the best thing we can tell them as quickly as we can. It isn't necessary to scream at them or yell at them. There are other ways to do it.

"The principle of it is we want to tell them, as soon as possible, exactly what they need to do to get it right. It's more about the correction than whatever the result was."

Carroll said he appreciates the vote from the players, but the message to any player is a goal of excellence.

"We're doing it with standards and expectations that are as high as you can get," he said. "I'm glad we've found a way to do it that guys appreciate it."

NeilPatrickBanana
01-29-2014, 02:43 PM
It's better to just tune out that segment of the fan base.... lol

LatrobePA
01-29-2014, 03:12 PM
NFL players are paid to play for a team and or him.... This means jackshit to me!

muncher
01-29-2014, 03:53 PM
i like my boss. he says funny things and lets me goof off.

TarlsQtr
01-29-2014, 04:14 PM
i like my boss. he says funny things and lets me goof off.

Look at the entire list. Teams with head coaches who "let [players] goof off" do not win as many games and championships as those won by the coaches included.

muncher
01-29-2014, 04:53 PM
Look at the entire list. Teams with head coaches who "let [players] goof off" do not win as many games and championships as those won by the coaches included.

can you give me a list of the coaches that do let the players goof off?

TarlsQtr
01-29-2014, 07:15 PM
can you give me a list of the coaches that do let the players goof off?

You tell me. You are the one who implied some do.

LevonKirkland99
01-29-2014, 11:14 PM
Tomlin better start winning some games in 2014...I don't give a crap about this list.

steelchamp204
01-30-2014, 12:27 AM
Haven't won a playoff game in 3 seasons. I can give a **** less about a popularity contest.

muncher
01-30-2014, 10:13 AM
You tell me. You are the one who implied some do.

lol...really. i'm the one who implied it?

Teams with head coaches who "let [players] goof off" do not win as many games did i make this statement?

Real Deal Steel
01-30-2014, 10:13 AM
The last two post said it all for me.

WindyCityShaker
01-30-2014, 01:14 PM
lol...really. i'm the one who implied it?

Teams with head coaches who "let [players] goof off" do not win as many games did i make this statement?

I think it's possible you were talking about YOUR actual boss,


i like my boss. he says funny things and lets me goof off.

not implying that the Steeler's players like their boss because he says funny things (cliche pressers), and that Tomlin lets them goof off?

TarlsQtr
01-30-2014, 03:02 PM
lol...really. i'm the one who implied it?

Teams with head coaches who "let [players] goof off" do not win as many games did i make this statement?

It was in reply to a statement by you,
i like my boss. he says funny things and lets me goof off.

TarlsQtr
01-30-2014, 03:06 PM
I think it's possible you were talking about YOUR actual boss,

Possible, but it would make his first statement completely out of context in the thread.

LatrobePA
01-30-2014, 03:15 PM
Tomlin better start winning some games in 2014...I don't give a crap about this list.

Ding ding ding we have a winner!

muncher
01-30-2014, 03:51 PM
It was in reply to a statement by you,

nice try.

LASVEGASGUY
01-31-2014, 12:38 AM
Black players probably want to play for black coaches. Or they really want to play for the Steelers and the tradition so they picked Tomlin since they couldn't pick the Steelers. I think you are reading into this too much. Who in their right mind would want to play for this jackass? He hasn't won a playoff game in 3 years and has had back to back 8-8 seasons. He is a reincarnated Marvin Lewis.

ChucktownSteeler
01-31-2014, 01:04 AM
Haven't won a playoff game in 3 seasons. I can give a **** less about a popularity contest.

This.

Big T
01-31-2014, 03:36 AM
Black players probably want to play for black coaches. Or they really want to play for the Steelers and the tradition so they picked Tomlin since they couldn't pick the Steelers. I think you are reading into this too much. Who in their right mind would want to play for this jackass? He hasn't won a playoff game in 3 years and has had back to back 8-8 seasons. He is a reincarnated Marvin Lewis.

So predictable.

muncher
01-31-2014, 10:16 AM
So predictable.

i know you like bashing this guy but there actually were stats that supported this assumption

TarlsQtr
01-31-2014, 10:36 AM
Black players probably want to play for black coaches. Or they really want to play for the Steelers and the tradition so they picked Tomlin since they couldn't pick the Steelers. I think you are reading into this too much. Who in their right mind would want to play for this jackass? He hasn't won a playoff game in 3 years and has had back to back 8-8 seasons. He is a reincarnated Marvin Lewis.

Then why isn't Marvin Lewis even on the list?

LatrobePA
01-31-2014, 10:58 AM
Then why isn't Marvin Lewis even on the list?

Because he's stupid...

WindyCityShaker
01-31-2014, 11:28 AM
Black players probably want to play for black coaches. Or they really want to play for the Steelers and the tradition so they picked Tomlin since they couldn't pick the Steelers. I think you are reading into this too much. Who in their right mind would want to play for this jackass? He hasn't won a playoff game in 3 years and has had back to back 8-8 seasons. He is a reincarnated Marvin Lewis.

And Lewis' players love playing for him, just as Lovie's players loved playing for him, just absolutely loved him.

While every player wants to win, not all players NEED to win. There's a lot more going on in the dynamic of coach/player relationships than just wins and losses.

Big T
01-31-2014, 02:50 PM
i know you like bashing this guy but there actually were stats that supported this assumption

He's a broken record. He'll never add anything meaningful or intellectual to improve a conversation/debate. Same old song and dance with him. "Tomlin rah rah rah. Rooney rule rah rah rah. Because he's black blah blah blah. Obama blah blah blah"... I challenge you to find 10 posts out of his 199 that have nothing to do with Tomlin/race/Rooney rule. There might be 10. Maybe.

He wants no part of any discussion around here unless he can bash Tomlin or bring up the fact that he's black.

steelchamp204
01-31-2014, 03:48 PM
Vegas had a good point. Might not all be spot on, but a valid point.

Whites relate better to whites and Black relate better to blacks. It's how it is, Of course you have white and blacks hanging together, but if you look at races hanging out, it is usually with there own. So it does carry some weight actually. It's not racists by any means. Just how society is.

TarlsQtr
01-31-2014, 03:58 PM
Vegas had a good point. Might not all be spot on, but a valid point.

Whites relate better to whites and Black relate better to blacks. It's how it is, Of course you have white and blacks hanging together, but if you look at races hanging out, it is usually with there own. So it does carry some weight actually. It's not racists by any means. Just how society is.

If that held any significant weight with the poll, at THE VERY LEAST Lewis should have been in the top 10 coaches players want to play for. Nine white guys and Tomlin.

TarlsQtr
01-31-2014, 04:00 PM
Because he's stupid...

But it shoots to he!! Vegas's theory that Tomlin and Lewis are carbon copies. If Lewis being "stupid" kept him out, it should have kept Tomlin out too.

steelchamp204
01-31-2014, 04:12 PM
But it shoots to he!! Vegas's theory that Tomlin and Lewis are carbon copies. If Lewis being "stupid" kept him out, it should have kept Tomlin out too.

You could also argue that he didn't get it for winning a lot of games the past 2 seasons either. Or winning a playoff game in 3 seasons.

I like Tomlin, I like what he is about, I just think this team is underachieving with the caliber QB we have. We're seeing Bens prime years being wasted, it's a damn shame.

NeilPatrickBanana
01-31-2014, 04:44 PM
You could also argue that he didn't get it for winning a lot of games the past 2 seasons either. Or winning a playoff game in 3 seasons.

I like Tomlin, I like what he is about, I just think this team is underachieving with the caliber QB we have. We're seeing Bens prime years being wasted, it's a damn shame.

Maybe if Ben hadn't **** the bed at the end of 2012 and started the 2013 season playing like crap... the overall story would be different... but, Ben is a franchise QB... and when we lose, blame the coach :rolleyes: That's been the theme around here the last 2 years.

The reality is how similar they are in stature among their peers... Ben is a very good QB and Tomlin is a very good coach... but Ben isn't Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, and Tomlin isn't Bill Bellicheat or Andy Reid. Steelers fans should just accept that.

steelchamp204
01-31-2014, 06:09 PM
Maybe if Ben hadn't **** the bed at the end of 2012 and started the 2013 season playing like crap... the overall story would be different... but, Ben is a franchise QB... and when we lose, blame the coach :rolleyes: That's been the theme around here the last 2 years.

The reality is how similar they are in stature among their peers... Ben is a very good QB and Tomlin is a very good coach... but Ben isn't Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, and Tomlin isn't Bill Bellicheat or Andy Reid. Steelers fans should just accept that.

Good coach.

muncher
02-01-2014, 10:16 AM
Vegas had a good point. Might not all be spot on, but a valid point.

Whites relate better to whites and Black relate better to blacks. It's how it is, Of course you have white and blacks hanging together, but if you look at races hanging out, it is usually with there own. So it does carry some weight actually. It's not racists by any means. Just how society is.

you are exactly correct.
if people were totally honest when asked, what race would you want: your spouse to be, friends to be, boss to be, neighbor to be, etc. the majority of people would say theyre own race.

about 5 years ago, in this same survey, marvin lewis was ranked in the top ten. as a matter of fact, i believe there were 6 black HC in the entire NFL and 5 were ranked in the top ten.

LASVEGASGUY
02-01-2014, 06:25 PM
Then why isn't Marvin Lewis even on the list?

Because it's Cincinnati. Put Marvin Lewis in Pittsburgh and Tomlin in Cincy and the roles are reversed. Players would want to play for Lewis.

Speeed
02-02-2014, 05:55 PM
Based on what, your opinion? That is pure speculation. This is a fact; players voted more for Tomlin than any other coach except for one. Your glass, sir, is half-empty. I am a half-full kind of guy, I look for the positive! People do live longer that way, that is proven too.


Because it's Cincinnati. Put Marvin Lewis in Pittsburgh and Tomlin in Cincy and the roles are reversed. Players would want to play for Lewis.