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Get7With7
08-31-2013, 07:25 PM
With Dwyer cut, the reasonable choices would be Redman or Jones. Everyone knows Tomlin loves Redman, but they guy barely played during the preseason. Is it a good idea to make him the Week 1 starter considering that?

I'd go with Felix Jones. Yeah, he underachieved in Dallas. However he's still probably the most talented RB on the roster with Bell out.

ChucktownSteeler
08-31-2013, 07:28 PM
Tomlin said Redman is penciled in as the starter, but pencils have erasers. I say Jones or LSH.

Probably Jones.

TarlsQtr
08-31-2013, 08:07 PM
My money is on Jones. He has been playing and looked good. Might even be a fantasy sleeper until Bell is healthy. ;-)

Get7With7
08-31-2013, 09:27 PM
Tomlin said Redman is penciled in as the starter, but pencils have erasers. I say Jones or LSH.

Probably Jones.

I know Redman has been penciled in as the starter throughout the preseason, but is it actually official that he's starting Week 1?

Again, to make a RB who has missed all of the preseason save for a few snaps in the first game the starter in Week 1 just seems really stupid if in fact Tomlin does that. Especially since Redman is really just a mediocre player at best.

Gotta go with Felix Jones for Week 1.

mfarmer7
09-01-2013, 12:15 AM
I think Redman will be the first on the field, but Jones and LSH will get the bulk of the carries depending on if Redman stays below a 3.0YPC stat.

greg1964
09-01-2013, 08:18 AM
why not use LSH: he is a small back: like Doug Martin, Ray Rice, MJD who has good vision, speed and can hide behind the BIG offense-line

greg1964
09-01-2013, 08:19 AM
why not use LSH: he is a small back: like Doug Martin, Ray Rice, MJD who has good vision, speed and can hide behind the BIG offense-line: BTW I would have Jones coming off the bench: Redman goes back to short yardage duties

FlatsSteeler
09-01-2013, 08:40 AM
Felix Jones.....Hyphon 3rd down back......Redman Short Yardage......When the Rookie gets back it will be a little different.......

coldrolled
09-01-2013, 06:20 PM
I hope Bell is back soon like week 1.

ChucktownSteeler
09-01-2013, 07:48 PM
I hope Bell is back soon like week 1.

No need to rush him, after the bye.

Real Deal Steel
09-02-2013, 10:33 AM
I Wouldn't be shocked if Jones was the starter with Redman being the short yard specialist. Lsh being the change of pace rb.

coldrolled
09-02-2013, 10:37 AM
Maybe Ben should be throwing for 425 yards and the RB's we have now can block until Bell is ready.

questforSB7
09-02-2013, 03:11 PM
I think if Felix Jones starts this game, then Redman will have to be Injured. Cause starting Felix Jones, when he was just picked up, and given nothing but preseason Reps against 3rd & 4th string defenders over a player like Redman, who has been here for years and who has busted his Butt would be a slap in the face. At least in my opinion. No, if Redman is healthy, then he starts. Although I am sure all three RB's get playing time Sunday.

Get7With7
09-02-2013, 04:27 PM
I think if Felix Jones starts this game, then Redman will have to be Injured. Cause starting Felix Jones, when he was just picked up, and given nothing but preseason Reps against 3rd & 4th string defenders over a player like Redman, who has been here for years and who has busted his Butt would be a slap in the face. At least in my opinion. No, if Redman is healthy, then he starts. Although I am sure all three RB's get playing time Sunday.

First of all, Redman's feelings don't matter, winning the game does. Second, Redman sat out almost all of the preseason with an injury. Does it really seem like a good idea to just make him the outright starter?

If Redman starts against the Titans, that just has teacher's pet written all over it. There's no logical reason to start him over Jones.

Big T
09-02-2013, 04:34 PM
Le’Veon Bell hopes to play Week Two, Isaac Redman hopes to remain starter

The Steelers running back situation heading into Week One looks different than most people imagined at the start of training camp.

Second-round pick Le’Veon Bell is out with a foot injury and Jonathan Dwyer has been released while Felix Jones has a spot on the roster after being acquired in a trade with the Eagles. On Monday, Bell said that he hopes to be ready to play in the second week of the season. That would be a much quicker return to action than originally anticipated, although one currently healthy member of the running back corps hopes he’ll be able to convince the Steelers to let him keep the job.

Scott Brown of ESPN.com reports that Isaac Redman said Monday that he’d be the starter against the Titans. Redman said that he’s planning on performing well enough to keep the team’s coaches from “wanting to put in anyone else” during the opener or later on down the road.

It’s the only attitude for a player in Redman’s position to have, but he’ll need to perform far better than he has at any point in his career to turn his hope into reality. Bell was picked in the second round because the Steelers didn’t want to move forward with Redman and Dwyer as their backs, something they confirmed by releasing Dwyer even though Bell is out of action.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/02/leveon-bell-hopes-to-play-week-two-isaac-redman-hopes-to-remain-starter/

questforSB7
09-02-2013, 04:48 PM
First of all, Redman's feelings don't matter, winning the game does. Second, Redman sat out almost all of the preseason with an injury. Does it really seem like a good idea to just make him the outright starter?

If Redman starts against the Titans, that just has teacher's pet written all over it. There's no logical reason to start him over Jones.





I'm sorry but, does it make more sense to start a RB we got just over 10 days ago, who has absolutely zero time running with our first team O-Line ? Redman may have been slightly hurt the past 2 preseason games yes. But he also has multiple years working with most of this O-line...as well as practicing with them all through camp. Look, Felix is fine and all as a acquisition. But to suggest he would be a better starter over Redman, and even Howling, who also has practiced, and has played with this
1st team O-Line is just nutty sir. I mean you are acting like Felix Jones is All-World. Dude did nothing for Dallas last year. And when he did play, Dallas was dead last in Rushing. What does that tell you ?

FlatsSteeler
09-02-2013, 04:59 PM
Look they are Running Backs for god sakes........You put a huge "L" on his Left Shoe....and a huge "R" on his Right Shoe and in the huddle you tell him......"look at your feet and Run LEFT or RIGHT........This isn't "Rocket Surgery"..........and Jones is better than Redman.....everybody is better than Redman, he was the starter last season as well look how that worked out.......

Get7With7
09-02-2013, 07:43 PM
I'm sorry but, does it make more sense to start a RB we got just over 10 days ago, who has absolutely zero time running with our first team O-Line ? Redman may have been slightly hurt the past 2 preseason games yes. But he also has multiple years working with most of this O-line...as well as practicing with them all through camp. Look, Felix is fine and all as a acquisition. But to suggest he would be a better starter over Redman, and even Howling, who also has practiced, and has played with this
1st team O-Line is just nutty sir. I mean you are acting like Felix Jones is All-World. Dude did nothing for Dallas last year. And when he did play, Dallas was dead last in Rushing. What does that tell you ?

And Redman has done what in is career.....?

Look, no one is saying Felix Jones is a future HOFer. However, he IS better than Redman. Isaac Redman was part of a 26th ranked rushing attack. If the Steelers are really looking to improve their running game, why in the hell would they turn back to him?

Redman had a nice game against the Giants last year..... time to move on from that.

questforSB7
09-02-2013, 08:07 PM
And Redman has done what in is career.....?

Look, no one is saying Felix Jones is a future HOFer. However, he IS better than Redman. Isaac Redman was part of a 26th ranked rushing attack. If the Steelers are really looking to improve their running game, why in the hell would they turn back to him?

Redman had a nice game against the Giants last year..... time to move on from that.





And where was Dallas Ranked in Rushing last year when Feliz was their starter. Please answer me that one sir.

ChucktownSteeler
09-02-2013, 08:17 PM
Felix should start over Redman. Redman has been injured.

questforSB7
09-02-2013, 08:24 PM
Felix should start over Redman. Redman has been injured.


Redman said in a Quote today that he could have easily played in the last two preseason games. It was Tomlin's idea to not play him. Probably because he knew Bell was Hurt, and that they were gonna release Dwyer anyways, so why risk him playing in preseason games when he already knows Haley's offense, and the O-line. As where Howling and F.Jones did not.


But Redman was not injured. So that excuse is wrong.

Get7With7
09-02-2013, 09:45 PM
Redman said in a Quote today that he could have easily played in the last two preseason games. It was Tomlin's idea to not play him. Probably because he knew Bell was Hurt, and that they were gonna release Dwyer anyways, so why risk him playing in preseason games when he already knows Haley's offense, and the O-line. As where Howling and F.Jones did not.


But Redman was not injured. So that excuse is wrong.

Would you expect an injured player to say anything else? Of course he's going to say "I could have played."

And really, Jones is a much better RB for zone-blocking. You say Redman "knows the o-line." How so? It's a different o-line running a different type of blocking scheme. Really, Jones may know the o-line better than Redman does since he's had more preseason snaps.

And no, Redman's feelings still don't matter.

questforSB7
09-02-2013, 09:55 PM
Would you expect an injured player to say anything else? Of course he's going to say "I could have played."

And really, Jones is a much better RB for zone-blocking. You say Redman "knows the o-line." How so? It's a different o-line running a different type of blocking scheme. Really, Jones may know the o-line better than Redman does since he's had more preseason snaps.






And no, Redman's feelings still don't matter.




I don't know why we are discussing this. Starting Felix is not even an option. Tomlin has already announced that Redman IS the starting RB. And that he is not looking for a commitee of different RB's. He wants one starter, and one only for most of the game. And he already stated Redman is the guy.


End O story!!

coldrolled
09-02-2013, 09:57 PM
Let redman smash the DL for a half and soften them up for Felix..

Ben should be a passing fool until we get Bell in.

Get7With7
09-02-2013, 09:59 PM
I don't know why we are discussing this. Starting Felix is not even an option. Tomlin has already announced that Redman IS the starting RB. And that he is not looking for a commitee of different RB's. He wants one starter, and one only for most of the game. And he already stated Redman is the guy.


End O story!!

Actually, the starting RB hasn't officially been announced. Though my fear is it will be Redman. He seems to be Tomlin's teacher's pet even though he's really just a mediocre, one-dimensional type of back.

By the way, I'd still like to know how Redman "knows the o-line" more than Jones does considering it's a new line with a different scheme.

questforSB7
09-02-2013, 10:04 PM
Actually, the starting RB hasn't officially been announced. Though my fear is it will be Redman. He seems to be Tomlin's teacher's pet even though he's really just a mediocre, one-dimensional type of back.

By the way, I'd still like to know how Redman "knows the o-line" more than Jones does considering it's a new line with a different scheme.




He knows Pouncey, Gilbert, Adams and Foster's tendencies cause he has run behind them before. He knows the system better cause Redman has been learning the Blocking Schemes for MONTHS before Felix ever got here, and has practiced behind then for weeks before his Injury. As where Jones has not. What about those FACTS can't you understand. ? By the way, Felix Jones was the MAIN RB for Dallas last season, you know, the team who was DEAD LAST in Yards Rushing, and yards per attempt.


And this is the guy you think should be starting ? Truly Laughable. :lol:

Big T
09-02-2013, 10:18 PM
By the way, Felix Jones was the MAIN RB for Dallas last season

False. That would be DeMarco Murray. DeMarco Murray missed 6 games but was the starter for the other 10 he was healthy for. DeMarco had more starts, more carries, and more yardage last season than Felix Jones.

How was Felix the "MAIN RB" for the Cowboys last season?

Get7With7
09-02-2013, 10:21 PM
False. That would be DeMarco Murray. DeMarco Murray missed 6 games but was the starter for the other 10 he was healthy for. DeMarco had more starts, more carries, and more yardage last season than Felix Jones.

How was Felix the "MAIN RB" for the Cowboys last season?

He just wants Redman to be the starter no matter what.

Considering all the hype we've heard about zone blocking, how can Jones logically not be the starter for the Steelers in Week 1? Redman isn't the right kind of RB for it.

questforSB7
09-02-2013, 10:22 PM
False. That would be DeMarco Murray. DeMarco Murray missed 6 games but was the starter for the other 10 he was healthy for. DeMarco had more starts, more carries, and more yardage last season than Felix Jones.

How was Felix the "MAIN RB" for the Cowboys last season?



Okay. But when he was the main RB, what was his YPC ? How good was Dallas rushing attack ? I suspect the answer to those questions are not good cause Dallas let him walk without even offering him a deal. No team offered him anything til Philly offered him a minimum contract. And even on a team void of ANY decent back-up RB's...Jones couldn't break into the top-4.

So although I do wish him the best of luck here as a Steeler. No way should anyone be touting him to be our opening day starter at RB. That's just flat out rigiculous.

coldrolled
09-02-2013, 10:24 PM
Ben and Romo have about the same OL, they miss just as many games as each other every year.

Get7With7
09-02-2013, 10:24 PM
Okay. But when he was the main RB, what was his YPC ? How good was Dallas rushing attack ? I suspect the answer to those questions are not good cause Dallas let him walk without even offering him a deal. No team offered him anything til Philly offered him a minimum contract. And even on a team void of ANY decent back-up RB's...Jones couldn't break into the top-4.

So although I do wish him the best of luck here as a Steeler. No way should anyone be touting him to be our opening day starter at RB. That's just flat out rigiculous.

Everything you said might be true, but he's still better than Redman, and fits the zone-blocking scheme better.

questforSB7
09-02-2013, 10:28 PM
Everything you said might be true, but he's still better than Redman, and fits the zone-blocking scheme better.




How can you say he is better then anyone we have ? When he has never ran against any defender who is not currently working at Burger King or McDonalds ? The guy has NEVER faced even a 2nd string defensive player this preseason. Hell I COULD run through the defenders that were on the field when Felix was playing, and I am 50 years old, 5ft, 8 and 290 Lbs.



And that's a fact!

Get7With7
09-02-2013, 10:32 PM
How can you say he is better then anyone we have ? When he has never ran against any defender who is not currently working at Burger King or McDonalds ? The guy has NEVER faced even a 2nd string defensive player this preseason. Hell I COULD run through the defenders that were on the field when Felix was playing, and I am 50 years old, 5ft, 8 and 290 Lbs.



And that's a fact!

Well, that's better than what Isaac Redman ran through this preseason, isn't it?

questforSB7
09-02-2013, 10:39 PM
Well, that's better than what Isaac Redman ran through this preseason, isn't it?





Yes but starting Jobs aren't won on the field in preseason games. Back-up positions maybe. But not starting positions. Those are won in Camp, during practices. And by all accounts Redman along with Bell were our two best RB's. Now, if for whatever reason Redman reinjures his shoulder, then really it should be Howling who gets the start over Jones. I mean not only has Howling been here since the start of mini camps and training camp. But also Howling has actually played better then Felix Jones has, and against the other teams starting Defense in one game.



If you think Felix Jones performance in the 4th game of the preseason...easily the LEAST Important game of all the preseason games, then you also must think Gradkowski should be the starter over Ben at QB, and that Moye should be starting at
WR over Antonio Brown.



Right ?

Get7With7
09-02-2013, 10:43 PM
Yes but starting Jobs aren't won on the field in preseason games. Back-up positions maybe. But not starting positions. Those are won in Camp, during practices. And by all accounts Redman along with Bell were our two best RB's. Now, if for whatever reason Redman reinjures his shoulder, then really it should be Howling who gets the start over Jones. I mean not only has Howling been here since the start of mini camps and training camp. But also Howling has actually played better then Felix Jones has, and against the other teams starting Defense in one game.



If you think Felix Jones performance in the 4th game of the preseason...easily the LEAST Important game of all the preseason games, then you also must think Gradkowski should be the starter over Ben at QB, and that Moye should be starting at
WR over Antonio Brown.



Right ?

No. Redman is a bum and a fringe player that had one good game is his career. Felix Jones may have been a disappointment for a 1st round pick, but he's a better player than Redman beyond the scope of this preseason.

questforSB7
09-02-2013, 10:52 PM
No. Redman is a bum and a fringe player that had one good game is his career. Felix Jones may have been a disappointment for a 1st round pick, but he's a better player than Redman beyond the scope of this preseason.




Based on what ? And how can you say Jones is better then Howling ? Who has better rushing stats then Jones, and has the best YPC average. Not to mention a better understanding of our Line and Scheme. How do you defend Felix starting over Howling ?

Big T
09-02-2013, 11:45 PM
Okay. But when he was the main RB, what was his YPC ? How good was Dallas rushing attack ? I suspect the answer to those questions are not good cause Dallas let him walk without even offering him a deal. No team offered him anything til Philly offered him a minimum contract. And even on a team void of ANY decent back-up RB's...Jones couldn't break into the top-4.

So although I do wish him the best of luck here as a Steeler. No way should anyone be touting him to be our opening day starter at RB. That's just flat out rigiculous.

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove with the YPC arguement. Redman only had 3.7 YPC last season. Felix Jones had 3.6 YPC. Jones' previous years, though hampered by injuries were still 4.5, 4.3, 5.9 and 8.9 YPC respectively (though the 8.9 was on only 30 carries his rookie year before he got injured.

I'm not sure where you're coming up with this idea that the Eagles have no backup RBs. Their primary back up behind McCoy, Bryce Brown, started 4 games in 2012 while Shady was injured, including back-to-back games of 178 and 169 yards with two TDs in each game. Not to mention his 4.9 YPC last year. They also have Chris Polk who they're high on. He's a guy with a lot of potential but shoulder concerns coming out of college. And technically Felix did "break into the top-4" since he was the 4th RB before being traded.

The fact remains that Felix is a better fit in this system than Redman (As is LSH). Jones' career in Dallas was marred by injuries and the fact that he was playing in the wrong system. He's a natural one cut zone runner. He's healthy now and despite what you believe, showed a lot in the limited time he's been in Pittsburgh. The things we needed to see were there, the level of competition he faced is irrelevant. He showed great vision, great feet, great cutback ability, and he showed that he still has some of that speed. Again, the level of competition he was facing is irrelevant.

questforSB7
09-02-2013, 11:53 PM
How can you assume Jones will stay healthy when he never has ? Bottom line, I don't care who starts against Tennessee...just as long as WE Win!!!

Big T
09-02-2013, 11:58 PM
How can you assume Jones will stay healthy when he never has ? Bottom line, I don't care who starts against Tennessee...just as long as WE Win!!!

When did I assume he'll stay healthy? All I said is that he's healthy now. Unfortunately, Redman will most likely get the starting nod. Though I believe LSH and Jones would both be better options.

questforSB7
09-03-2013, 12:15 AM
When did I assume he'll stay healthy? All I said is that he's healthy now. Unfortunately, Redman will most likely get the starting nod. Though I believe LSH and Jones would both be better options.



Well hopefully Bell will be back for game 2. I mean he says he might. Of course Bell has proven less then any of them.

Real Deal Steel
09-03-2013, 12:28 AM
The only knock I have on Jones is his fragality. But when he's healthy, he has speed and is by far, a better fit in our zone blocking scheme. I'm worried about him getting injured but we are talking only a two/three game stretch and there can be serious upside here if he stays healthy. I think Jones will be the most productive RB for us until Bell gets back and with Jones here, he can ease the burden for Bell too. Lots of upside with Jones and what he can bring to our RB corps.

Big T
09-03-2013, 12:16 PM
@EdBouchette: #Steelers Tomlin: Redman will start. "We know what Isaac is capable of"

Get7With7
09-03-2013, 12:18 PM
@EdBouchette: #Steelers Tomlin: Redman will start. "We know what Isaac is capable of"

Yes Coach we do know what he is capable of, which is why you should be starting Jones.

Teacher's pet.

ChucktownSteeler
09-03-2013, 12:18 PM
Yes, we know what Redman is capable of, about a 2.7 YPC average.


He may start, but Jones and LSH will get their share of carries.

questforSB7
09-03-2013, 12:18 PM
@EdBouchette: #Steelers Tomlin: Redman will start. "We know what Isaac is capable of"



Thanks to Ed for telling us something that we all already knew.

NeilPatrickBanana
09-03-2013, 12:25 PM
Yes, we know what Redman is capable of, about a 2.7 YPC average.


He may start, but Jones and LSH will get their share of carries.

or... 4.4 YPC like in 2011

TarlsQtr
09-03-2013, 12:26 PM
Things to remember...


Jones likely does not know the entire playbook yet.

Redman is a veteran on this team and has a lot of friends in the RB and OL meetings. Coaches have to play a certain amount of politics and this may be it.

I suspect that Jones gets a lot of game action.


I believe that Tomlin will be looking for a reason to insert Jones as the go to guy. If Bell is not back before week 3, I bet Jones is starting by then unless Redman plays well above his career norm.

NeilPatrickBanana
09-03-2013, 12:30 PM
Things to remember...


Jones likely does not know the entire playbook yet.

Redman is a veteran on this team and has a lot of friends in the RB and OL meetings. Coaches have to play a certain amount of politics and this may be it.

I suspect that Jones gets a lot of game action.


I believe that Tomlin will be looking for a reason to insert Jones as the go to guy. If Bell is not back before week 3, I bet Jones is starting by then unless Redman plays well above his career norm.

I think Redman is going to eat up a ****** Tennessee run D. I think he'll put up solid "fantasy game" in week 1, and hold the job down for longer than people think.

In week 1:
I expect LSH to play on 3rd downs
I expect Jones to get work (2-3 series)
I expect Redman to put together a solid game with something around 16 carries and over 4 yards per... and hopefully he'll punch in a red zone TD

ChucktownSteeler
09-03-2013, 12:31 PM
I am not counting on much from Redman in the first game. I think we need to insert Jones and LSH as soon as possible.

They are a better fit with the ZBS.

NeilPatrickBanana
09-03-2013, 12:33 PM
I am not counting on much from Redman in the first game. I think we need to insert Jones and LSH as soon as possible.

They are a better fit with the ZBS.

I agree. And while I am optomistic about Redman's ability to contribute in week 1, i leave the caveat open that he could easily lose the job in week 1 as well.

Real Deal Steel
09-03-2013, 12:43 PM
I love Redman's toughness but frankly he doesn't bring much to the party. Jones will end up outproducing Redman IMO. But I really don't care who produces in the run game just as long as someone does. I want atleast 100 yards rushing and I don't care if I get it from one RB or three RB's combined. I just want rushing to be a serious part of our offense again.

Get7With7
09-03-2013, 12:57 PM
I love Redman's toughness but frankly he doesn't bring much to the party. Jones will end up outproducing Redman IMO. But I really don't care who produces in the run game just as long as someone does. I want atleast 100 yards rushing and I don't care if I get it from one RB or three RB's combined. I just want rushing to be a serious part of our offense again.

He's the teacher's pet. Doesn't that count for something? :dunno:

questforSB7
09-03-2013, 12:58 PM
I love Redman's toughness but frankly he doesn't bring much to the party. Jones will end up outproducing Redman IMO. But I really don't care who produces in the run game just as long as someone does. I want atleast 100 yards rushing and I don't care if I get it from one RB or three RB's combined. I just want rushing to be a serious part of our offense again.




Probelm is a good Rushing team doesn't guarantee you Squat. In 2007, we were the 3rd BEST rushing team in the league at over 135 yards per game, and 4.7 per carry...and we didn't win nothing. Then the next year in 2008, we were near the bottom in team rushing at 105 yards a game, and easily the WORST rushing team in the playoffs...and yet we win the Super Bowl ???


Go figure. I don't wanna go back to the OLD 70's or the Bill Cowher conservative days of running the ball. But, I DO want it to be a legit THREAT in our offense. So as stated by others, it will allow us to open the passing game, and hold off on the amount of Pass rushers that can come after Ben cause they will have to at the very LEAST repect our running game, and the chance that we can use it. I want us to run the ball some games 35 + times a game AND be effective at it. That way in other games, we can run it say 15 to 17 times, but hold the defense at Bay cause of the threat of the ground game, and then we pass all over another team.


But the LAST thing this team needs is to go back to the Jerome Bettis days of 3 yards and a cloud of Dust. No way!!

FlatsSteeler
09-03-2013, 01:15 PM
Steelers just need to run the ball enough to set up the Play Action Pass and to keep the heat off of BR7.......Who...Why or How doesn't matter........

ARKIESTEEL
09-03-2013, 01:17 PM
I hope we do not over commit to trying to force the run game. The old run run pass mind set needs not to happen

Big T
09-03-2013, 01:28 PM
@rayfitt1: Mike Tomlin hinted there will be a rotation at RB vs. Titans. Isaac Redman explained why there shouldn't be:

http://t.co/Oq0tWYzM7H

K Train
09-03-2013, 01:42 PM
get the **** out of here with that..."thats proven if i get my opportunity" that is skewing the numbers HARD not taking into account the games where he doesnt do anything and gets yanked in favor of someone else.

Ok so three games in his entire career he was running well enough to keep him in full time

They will start redman and if he isnt producing they will yank him, which is how it always has been and always will be

Get7With7
09-03-2013, 01:57 PM
I hope we do not over commit to trying to force the run game. The old run run pass mind set needs not to happen

Agreed. Personally, I feel this is one of the reasons why the Steelers had such a terrible rushing attack last season. They tried to force the run just because "it's the Steeler way!" Combine that with the fact that the franchise QB wasn't allowed to audible and you had a recipe for failure on offense.

NeilPatrickBanana
09-03-2013, 02:20 PM
get the **** out of here with that..."thats proven if i get my opportunity" that is skewing the numbers HARD not taking into account the games where he doesnt do anything and gets yanked in favor of someone else.

Ok so three games in his entire career he was running well enough to keep him in full time

They will start redman and if he isnt producing they will yank him, which is how it always has been and always will be

He has a legitimate point (if you take a second to let your hate subside lol). If you are ineffective on the first drive or 2, and get pulled for the other guy, it makes it difficult to establish a consistent ground game.

To open the season last year, 3 different RBs carried the ball in the 1st quarter...

Redman has a valid point, that anytime he's carried the ball more than 15 times... he's been very good.

It's a legit criticism that he started at the beginning of 2012 and failed to get it going in the 1st quarter and was basically handing the job over to Dwyer by the 2nd quarter/2nd or 3rd series.. but sometimes it is better to ride a back, even when he starts slow

2 sides to the coin type of thing...

Redman got 3 games to establish himself as the #1 last year. He failed to do that, but the coaching staff didn't help the situation

Redman will have a minimum of 1 game and a maximum of 4 games to start this year and establish himself as having value. If he fails to do that, he might finish the year on the wrong side of the active roster.

Im looking forward to seeing what he does Sunday. We havent really seen him this preseason... he dropped weight, and reports were he looked good early in camp...
we're a better team if Redman can contribute

K Train
09-03-2013, 02:30 PM
I understand getting in a rhythm and if hes the hot hand that is fine going with him, i am so annoyed by his wording there though acting like hes some kind of proven commodity based on the only 3 games where he has shown any kind of burst or consistent play at all.

He was poised to get plenty of opportunities in the browns game too, and fumbled them all away. he left that part out, must have been a cold day....lol

Ive never been so excited for a player that i find to be very unexciting like i am with Bell right now. I need to see him in live action, i just want to be impressed so bad lol

Big T
09-03-2013, 04:11 PM
Ive never been so excited for a player that i find to be very unexciting like i am with Bell right now. I need to see him in live action, i just want to be impressed so bad lol

Couldn't have said it better myself lol

NeilPatrickBanana
09-03-2013, 04:20 PM
Ive never been so excited for a player that i find to be very unexciting like i am with Bell right now. I need to see him in live action, i just want to be impressed so bad lol

Im pretty excited to see the guy with the ball running in our new scheme (whoever it is)... im not a super fan of any of our backs to be honest... but I think our system and the talent on the oline will make our running game much better.

but for some weird reason... Felix is the wild card in this whole picture... he has more "athletic talent" than any of the other backs, including Bell.

just run the ball effectively (inside and outside)... i bet we run more plays outside in the first 2 weeks than we ran ALL of last year lol

coldrolled
09-03-2013, 09:18 PM
I bet the first play is a run right up the middle.

K Train
09-03-2013, 09:21 PM
i am hopeful about jones....would be awesome to see his career turn the corner here. Wouldnt be the first time, but it seems like a while since we brough in someone and saw that happen

questforSB7
09-03-2013, 09:27 PM
i am hopeful about jones....would be awesome to see his career turn the corner here. Wouldnt be the first time, but it seems like a while since we brough in someone and saw that happen





Probably the last good example would be James Farrior.

Get7With7
09-08-2013, 02:24 PM
Great choice by Tomlin, huh?

Teacher's pet.

JensK
09-08-2013, 04:29 PM
Redman is probably the worst starting RB in the NFL... I've never been a fan, I'll admit as much, but he sure as hell is not making ANY strides towards being just somewhat more tolerable as our starting RB. That was an abysmal performance at best.

Rocky#20
09-08-2013, 04:32 PM
I've always liked Redman, but today he was abysmal beyond belief.

Real Deal Steel
09-08-2013, 04:33 PM
Well, Felix Jones? Your next up.

ChucktownSteeler
09-08-2013, 04:38 PM
Redman is probably the worst starting RB in the NFL... I've never been a fan, I'll admit as much, but he sure as hell is not making ANY strides towards being just somewhat more tolerable as our starting RB. That was an abysmal performance at best.

This

questforSB7
09-08-2013, 04:44 PM
If I'm Bell.....Maybe I don't wanna Rush back too early, and run behind this mess of a Line. Especially against a Cincy front
D-Line that makes the one we had in the 70's look average! Maybe you might wanna hold out til week 4 there Bell.

K Train
09-09-2013, 01:38 PM
“I’ve had three games when it was solely me carrying the ball, the Cleveland game I ran for 95, the Broncos 121 and then Giants 140,” Redman said. “That’s proven if I get the opportunity to be the every-down back that I can definitely perform. I have never disappointed in my three shots at it.

bump

Rocky#20
09-09-2013, 02:26 PM
I hated the play call when Redman fumbled from the 5. It was 3rd and about 3 inches and instead of lining up and running a normal play, Haley tried to trick the Titans with a hurry up hand off to Redman who was only about a foot behind Ben on the snap. It was rushed, the hand off was sloppy and it totally changed the momentum in the game.

NeilPatrickBanana
09-09-2013, 02:50 PM
I hated the play call when Redman fumbled from the 5. It was 3rd and about 3 inches and instead of lining up and running a normal play, Haley tried to trick the Titans with a hurry up hand off to Redman who was only about a foot behind Ben on the snap. It was rushed, the hand off was sloppy and it totally changed the momentum in the game.

especially with a TE at HB giving the play away. When the wrong personnel was on the field, it should have been an immediate timeout. Definitely a Coaching failure...

TarlsQtr
09-09-2013, 03:10 PM
especially with a TE at HB giving the play away. When the wrong personnel was on the field, it should have been an immediate timeout. Definitely a Coaching failure...

My biggest gripe about Tomlin is in game decisions like this (although maybe it should have been Haley). Another example. I was ready to kick my TV when Tomlin called timeout just before the 2 minute warning yesterday. That was idiotic. It was obvious the next playw as going to be a pass anyway and an incomplete pass (or TD) is an automatic "timeout" if he waits until after the warning. He literally saved 2 seconds by calling the TO when he could have saved 35 seconds if he saved it and used it later.