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BubbyBlister
07-09-2013, 02:44 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rLOEvYULfY

K Train
07-09-2013, 09:22 AM
lol i cant watch the video, but i can see what it is.

All jokes aside i had jarvis jones ranked #3 after having him ranked #1 for a long time. Getting him where we did is a huge steal

Real Deal Steel
07-09-2013, 09:37 AM
Ssshhh. You two need to be quite. I don't want you tipping off the rest of the league. :nono: Right now, we are considered an old and done team. Let it remain that way until week # 8 of the season when we're 6-2 and leading the division. :yellowthumb:

LatrobePA
07-09-2013, 11:33 AM
If I can see Flacco leveled by him just once this season he'll be worth every penny they spend to me!

terrible.towel43
07-09-2013, 12:11 PM
Is that Frank Caliendo? LOL he's awesome

Crash
07-09-2013, 12:59 PM
FYI spinal stenosis doesn't go away.

K Train
07-09-2013, 01:17 PM
It also doesnt get worse in your 20s, you sure can bitch about everything. Doctors looked at him, just case a few USC doctors didnt like it that doesnt make the steelers and bulldogs doctors idiots. He checked out fine and produced in the SEC, quit whining about everything. You are seriously wearing out your welcome here (if that was ever a real thing)

Before you ask, no he shouldnt be suspended

LatrobePA
07-09-2013, 01:24 PM
FYI spinal stenosis doesn't go away.

Just fn go away you dweeb!

cmerrifield
07-09-2013, 01:48 PM
FYI spinal stenosis doesn't go away.

Tell that to Archie Manning who played 15 years and Michael Irving who played 12 seasons.

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Crash
07-09-2013, 02:24 PM
And what ended Irvin's career?

Crash
07-09-2013, 02:28 PM
Before you ask, no he shouldnt be suspended

No he shouldn't be. A medical issue isn't a crime.

Btw, you still never accepted the bet I offered you.

No faith in your boy Goodell huh?

Crash
07-09-2013, 02:29 PM
Just fn go away you dweeb!

Um, no.

Have a nice day. :tt02:

TarlsQtr
07-09-2013, 02:30 PM
Yep, a good article about Jones and spinal stenosis here: http://www.austinchronicle.com/blogs/sports/2013-01-23/the-nfl-beat-spinal-stenosis/


According to Dr. Hecht, players with spinal stenosis are at increased risk of stingers. However, they are also at risk for a more serious condition called cervical cord neuropraxia. Dr. Hecht had much to say about cervical cord neuropraxia, but the main distinguishing difference in this condition and a stinger is the presence of these symptoms in multiple limbs; both arms, both legs, or an arm and a leg.
With all this said, Dr. Hecht was extremely clear about one thing. "Congenital spinal stenosis is not a contraindication of playing football."


In fact, research shows that players with spinal stenosis are at no greater risk of devastating spinal cord injury than any other player with a normal-sized spinal canal. This flies in the face of what one could logically expect, but it is indeed the case.


Every player that steps onto the football field is equally likely of suffering spinal trauma that may result in devastating neurological damage, paralysis, and even possible death.

The biggest risk?


The condition is anything but comfortable, and we have seen that players with the ailment generally decide that football is simply not worth it at some point.

Facts trump asinine and uneducated comments by Crash every time...

TarlsQtr
07-09-2013, 02:41 PM
And what ended Irvin's career?

A herniated disk.

No one even KNEW he had spinal stenosis until they did the tests for the disk, which was actually the problem. He went an entire college and pro career with the issue and he did not even know.

Crash
07-09-2013, 03:13 PM
A herniated disk.

No one even KNEW he had spinal stenosis until they did the tests for the disk, which was actually the problem. He went an entire college and pro career with the issue and he did not even know.

And if he did? You think he plays as long as he did?

The money these teams pay out now? They know everything.

Crash
07-09-2013, 03:14 PM
The condition is anything but comfortable, and we have seen that players with the ailment generally decide that football is simply not worth it at some point.

Which is exactly my point.

This isn't going away. If anything that statement by a medical expert does all the talking for me.

TarlsQtr
07-09-2013, 03:23 PM
And if he did? You think he plays as long as he did?

The money these teams pay out now? They know everything.


O a tackle following a reception, Irvin awkwardly slammed his head into the hard turf of Veterans Stadium and was temporarily paralyzed.

Tests revealed that he sustained a herniated disc, but they also detected that Irvin was born with a narrow spinal cord.

They "detected" the spinal stenosis when they found the herniated disk (the actual injury). Again, you are FOS.

TarlsQtr
07-09-2013, 03:26 PM
Which is exactly my point.

This isn't going away. If anything that statement by a medical expert does all the talking for me.

Only if you fail to read the entire article. He has not been having problems with it, so any assumption that he will get scared and quit is just that, an assumption. He can play as long as he wants without any more chance of a bad injury than the next guy.

Crash
07-09-2013, 03:29 PM
They "detected" the spinal stenosis when they found the herniated disk (the actual injury).

Correct. And had he known about that injury earlier IMO he doesn't play as long as he did.

READ!

You guys are also comparing a QB and a WR to a linebacker. Jones will deliver, and take, more blows in one game, than a QB or WR may take in three.

Crash
07-09-2013, 03:31 PM
Only if you fail to read the entire article. He has not been having problems with it, so any assumption that he will get scared and quit is just that, an assumption. He can play as long as he wants without any more chance of a bad injury than the next guy.

Tell that to Tim Lewis.

K Train
07-09-2013, 03:45 PM
In fact, research shows that players with spinal stenosis are at no greater risk of devastating spinal cord injury than any other player with a normal-sized spinal canal. This flies in the face of what one could logically expect, but it is indeed the case.
this says it all.

Crash is arguing for the sake of arguing again. IM SO SURPRISED

Crash
07-09-2013, 05:17 PM
this says it all.

Crash is arguing for the sake of arguing again. IM SO SURPRISED

Again, tell that to Tim Lewis.

He hasn't played a down of football in 30 years, and he's STILL dealing with it.

Big T
07-09-2013, 05:25 PM
Pompei reports that orthepedist Craig Brigham examined Jones and, in a report that was sent to NFL teams, said Jones doesn't have spinal stenosis but instead "either had a very mild incident of spinal cord concussion or merely a stinger that has long since resolved," according to the Pompei.

Brigham's report told teams that even if Jones suffered another similar injury that "it would not be a career-ending issue."
"Jarvis is cleared to play without restriction," Brigham's report concluded.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/21848827/report-doctor-clears-jarvis-jones-to-play-without-restriction

ChucktownSteeler
07-09-2013, 05:28 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/21848827/report-doctor-clears-jarvis-jones-to-play-without-restriction

Thank you for posting. That should end all concerns and rumors about Jarvis Jones. If this were known before the draft he may have been drafted in the top 5.

We got the steal of the draft.

C-town

Big T
07-09-2013, 05:30 PM
Thank you for posting. That should end all concerns and rumors about Jarvis Jones. If this were known before the draft he may have been drafted in the top 5.

We got the steal of the draft.

C-town

That report was before the draft. Teams still had potential concerns.

ChucktownSteeler
07-09-2013, 05:31 PM
That report was before the draft. Teams still had potential concerns.

Well then we were one of the few teams that must have done their homework.

I welcome Jones - A great pick!

Speeed
07-09-2013, 07:22 PM
Irvin with twelve years in the NFL? That ain't easy to do for anybody. I will take 12 good years out of Jones and be glad the Steelers paid him for it! At any rate, to beat the competition, or gain notoriety, , one must take risks, at anything in life. I have no problem with the Steelers taking a risk on Jones. If it does not work out, it does not work out. They took the player that best fit their needs at the time.




And what ended Irvin's career?

K Train
07-09-2013, 07:57 PM
he'll lead the league in sacks and all crash will talk about is how his back is gonna give out at any moment and how he was flagged 4 dfferent times for illegal hits and hasnt been suspended yet

Crash
07-09-2013, 10:16 PM
he'll lead the league in sacks and all crash will talk about is how his back is gonna give out at any moment and how he was flagged 4 dfferent times for illegal hits and hasnt been suspended yet

He'll never lead the NFL in sacks with LeBeau as DC because he'll be wasted in pass coverage.

Then some ignorant like you will complain about his sack totals without taking his ROLE in the defense into consideration.

If he's flagged for 4 hits on QBs? Goodell will suspend him. Goodell hates the Steelers.

Go read Steelers Digest. You aren't bright enough to discuss this team with me.

LASVEGASGUY
07-09-2013, 11:11 PM
Ssshhh. You two need to be quite. I don't want you tipping off the rest of the league. :nono: Right now, we are considered an old and done team. Let it remain that way until week # 8 of the season when we're 6-2 and leading the division. :yellowthumb:

Did I miss the memo that Tomlin was fired?

K Train
07-09-2013, 11:13 PM
He'll never lead the NFL in sacks with LeBeau as DC because he'll be wasted in pass coverage.

Then some ignorant like you will complain about his sack totals without taking his ROLE in the defense into consideration.

If he's flagged for 4 hits on QBs? Goodell will suspend him. Goodell hates the Steelers.

Go read Steelers Digest. You aren't bright enough to discuss this team with me.

so just cause he plays in a 34 as a linebacker and not a DE he'll be wasted? lol youre a clown

BlacknGold Bleeder
07-09-2013, 11:16 PM
You aren't bright enough to discuss this team with me.

I find this highly entertaining comment in all of this, roflmao . Train has forgotten more about the STEELERS then you will ever hope to know...

Crash
07-09-2013, 11:49 PM
I find this highly entertaining comment in all of this, roflmao . Train has forgotten more about the STEELERS then you will ever hope to know...

Please. He cheerleads.

Rah friggin' rah!

K Train
07-10-2013, 12:39 AM
Watch the games. Idiots do it to Woodley now. They whine about his sack totals and they don't chart how much LeBeau wastes him in pass coverage. James Harrison same thing last season. Second game of his season (on a short week) on a bad knee and "genius" LeBeau had him in one on one pass coverage with Jared Cook in the 4th quarter of a tie game.

James' play only "improved" late in the year when he wasn't in coverage, and was closer to the LOS.

woodley shouldnt be dropping into coverage as much as he does...hes solid for what he is as a player, but he is closer to a rusher than an OLB. Harrison was a phenom against the run and a decent pass rusher, but does ok in coverage.

Jones on the other hand is a rush backer with good agility and coverage skills, needs to work on his upper body strength but overall hes going to be rushing the passer, him being comfortable in coverage only works in his favor.

Von Miller might be the best 34 OLB prospect weve seen in 10 years and the broncos play him in a 43 and he still dominates pass rushing. Timmons is one of the best blitzing linebackers in the league but he is PUTRID as an outside rusher and tremendous in coverage. I really hope they play to jones skills, because i do believe he has Von Miller like ability, not quite the first step but similar player.

Lebeau does ok, but he needs to make some adjustments schematically. I do look forward to life after lebeau, but for now he does just fine. He has earned his stay, he lost aaron smith and had to plug in evander hood...what a drop off of the foundation of the defense that is. Plus hampton, a top 3 NT of this generation, troy falling off, woodley being hurt...its not all on leabeu, quit acting like it is. They kept a great roster together a few years too long

K Train
07-10-2013, 12:40 AM
Please. He cheerleads.

Rah friggin' rah!
lol i give you a rational response and thats what i get?

Real Deal Steel
07-10-2013, 01:35 AM
Did I miss the memo that Tomlin was fired?

I have Tomlin issues but I'm remaining positive. He has no excuses this year.

TarlsQtr
07-10-2013, 08:45 AM
Correct. And had he known about that injury earlier IMO he doesn't play as long as he did.

LOL Yeah, Crash, everyone here is sooooooo anxious to get your "opinion" (for example, Ben would not be a Steeler in 2013 or the Steelers were playing "prevent" D when Fitz burned us in the SB) instead of fact. The FACT is that Jones is in no more danger of leaving the game due to a back injury than the next guy.


Tell that to Tim Lewis.

LOL Tim Lewis? The guy retired in 1986! Do you realize how far medicine has come in understanding spinal stenosis since 1986 or even 1999 when Irvin retired? Medicine has moved light years since then, as MRIs (what they use to detect spinal stenosis) were still in their infancy. In fact, two doctors won a Nobel Prize in 2003 for discovering its uses as a diagnostic tool.

You may as well use a pitcher from the 1950's as proof that you cannot come back from a UCL tear and ignore Tommy John surgery developed in the 1970's.

What matters is what science says now. Jones is in no more danger than any other player on the field.

Raleigh Steel
07-10-2013, 08:54 AM
everyone one of crash's post are so damn whiny it's actually funny. i read a crash post and all i hear is this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h05YfP_8UsU

K Train
07-10-2013, 12:22 PM
Anyway, back on topic.

Jones is an exciting player, theres really not much to like about his game putting the back issues aside (which never bothered him at Georgia)

I hope he works his way into at least getting reps early and often, i have zero faith about worilds producing consistently or even flirting with doing it at a high level, so hopefully they move jones in quite a bit (would even like him replacing foote on passing downs to be honest)

They will be able to do some interesting things with jones....i hope these top 3 picks are quality contributors from day one, im less excited about bell and think wheaton will be awesome, its just a matter of when for him, WRs doing anything as a rookie are hit and miss

TarlsQtr
07-10-2013, 02:50 PM
Good idea (about getting on topic), K Train.

I am pretty confident that he will see a lot of action. As others have said, it is not like our linebackers have been reliable injury wise.

I would also point out that he transcends the reasons that previous young LBs did not see much action. 1) He does not have an established star in front of him to beat out (at least on one side).

2) The critique of Lebeau not playing rookies is not applicable here. The other "kids" were almost all playing a new position (our OLBs always came from smaller college defensive linemen) or system. Jones played OLB in a 3-4, so he is light years ahead of most. It will then all come down to how hard he works on the playbook, health, fitness, etc.

Lemming
07-10-2013, 03:44 PM
You can play rookies.

Capers did. Chad Scott started as a rookie for Jim Haslett. Hampton started as a rookie too as the season went along.

BubbyBlister
07-11-2013, 05:11 PM
You can play rookies.

Capers did. Chad Scott started as a rookie for Jim Haslett. Hampton started as a rookie too as the season went along.Scott started as a rookie but never improved his whole career. Man I hated his play.

BubbyBlister
07-11-2013, 05:14 PM
Is that Frank Caliendo? LOL he's awesome Yep and agree he is awesome!

connecticutsteel
07-21-2013, 12:57 AM
And what ended Irvin's career?

a suitcase full of crack cocaine ?