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Big T
06-13-2013, 01:33 AM
Don't rule out Steelers rookie linebacker Jarvis Jones starting

The most recent rookies to nail down starting jobs with the Steelers defense no longer are with the defense. Casey Hampton is gone after a dozen years as their starting nose tackle and inside linebacker Kendrell Bell's career steadily went downhill after he was named NFL defensive rookie of the year.

They took over as rookies in 2001. No rookie has won a starting defensive job since, not Troy Polamalu, not Lawrence Timmons or LaMarr Woodley, and neither of their first-round picks at defensive end, Ziggy Hood nor Cameron Heyward.

Jarvis Jones could end that drought.

"He's showing us things, and, if he keeps showing those things he's going to be a big part of that, hopefully," said Keith Butler, who coaches the Steelers linebackers.

Butler said Jones, the team's first-round draft choice, will compete to start at right outside linebacker in training camp. His main competition to fill James Harrison's spot is veteran Jason Worilds, their second-round draft pick in 2010 who is trying to win his first starting job.

One rookie has started at outside linebacker for the Steelers since the modern era of pro football began in 1970 with the merger of the NFL and the AFL. His name is Jack Ham.

No other rookie has done so, and expectations were rarely there for them to do it, especially when they switched to the 3-4 defense in 1982 and began taking college defensive ends and converting them to outside linebackers. That took time, but now comes Jones fresh off Georgia's 3-4 defense and more ready-made than what the Steelers are used to at outside linebacker.

"The best thing for him is his background, he played linebacker at Georgia, so he understands concepts as opposed to being a defensive end who doesn't know anything," Butler said.

"He's picked some things up. There's a lot we're throwing at him right now, as we do everybody. He's still learning, but he's learning at a quicker pace than most guys we drafted at that position as a defensive end."

Plenty can happen between now, training camp and when the Steelers kick off their season Sept. 8 against the Tennessee Titans at Heinz Field, but Jones is pushing to become the next Ham, who started all 14 games his rookie season of 1971, when he was a second-round draft pick.

"He's shown us a lot of instinctive football ability," defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau said. "If the coach doesn't mess him up, I think he's got a chance to be a pretty good player."

Jones is learning to drop into pass coverage in spring practices more than anything else.

"He's done well in the drops, but, when he was in college, he kind of freelanced a little bit," Butler said. "We're a little bit more disciplined in terms of what we ask him to do and the technique we ask him to use in the passing game.

"All he did was drop straight back and look at the quarterback. He was 5 yards off the ball looking at the quarterback. We ask him to do a lot of different things in terms of pass coverage, and that's not one of them. I have to get him out of that habit a little bit, and he's willing to get out of that habit."

The better Jones knows the defense, the more chance he will have to start in it. Woodley flashed great pass-rush ability as a rookie in 2007, but did not start a game because he did not know the defense.

"I think you play people when they're ready to play and, what I mean by that is when they know what they're doing," Butler said. "If they don't know what they're doing, they hurt the doggone defense, and it's not fair to the rest of the guys to have them out on the field. He knows that, and I've talked to him about it. Before he plays, he has to know what he's doing."


Woodley shaping up nicely

Butler is pleased with Woodley's physical shape this spring. He hopes he can keep it up.

Woodley's past two seasons were marred by injuries. A hamstring injury ruined the second half of his 2011 season, and hamstring and ankle injuries limited him to 13 games and four sacks last season. He was the target of an anonymous teammate's quote, blaming his lack of production on his lack of working out. Teammate Ryan Clark convinced him to work with his trainer in Arizona this year.

"Whatever he's doing appears to be right," Butler said. "We'll see when we get to training camp. The biggest thing for him is we have to keep him on the field. We've talked to him about that, and he understands that. Lamar is a prideful man, and he understands that he has to play at a certain level to fulfill his contract, you might say. He's working at it."

Woodley was a team sack leader before the series of injuries. He had 13.5 in 2009, 13 in 2010 including the postseason and nine through the first eight games of 2011.

"The problem for him obviously is not being on the field," Butler said. "He has to be on the field. That's with anybody. It doesn't matter why you're not on the field, you're not on the field."

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/dont-rule-out-steelers-rookie-linebacker-jarvis-jones-starting-691453/

Black@Gold Forever32
06-13-2013, 02:18 AM
Really I expect Jones to start and I'm happy about this news........He played in a 3-4 college so at least 3-4 OLB isn't the moon to Jones and hopefully he beats out Worilds.......Worilds is fine as a backup but I don't want him starting at all......Rather see the rook start.......

Great news about Woodley as well and I just hope he stays healthy all-season and glad to hear he is training like a madman this off-season.......

Woodley and Jones starting with Worilds/Adrian Robinson to give Woodley/Jones a breather at times and the Steelers might have a consistent pass rush again...........

Crash
06-13-2013, 02:59 AM
Jones is learning to drop into pass coverage in spring practices more than anything else.

Wonderful.

Then like they do with Harrison and Woodley idiots will bitch about his sack numbers.

ChucktownSteeler
06-13-2013, 06:11 AM
I thought he would start at some point in the season. Great news indeed (unless you are Worilds).

FlatsSteeler
06-13-2013, 06:54 AM
As much as I hate to quote a man I have great disdain for All I can say is this is just plain"June Talk"......The story begins in Late July........I hope on hope Jones is ready to start but if you remember last June Ziggy Hood was leaping 2 stories high and ready to dominate .........We all know how that worked out........Until you laase up and put the pads on....well "June Talk"

FlatsSteeler
06-13-2013, 06:55 AM
As much as I hate to quote a man I have great disdain for All I can say is this is just plain"June Talk"......The story begins in Late July........I hope on hope Jones is ready to start but if you remember last June Ziggy Hood was leaping 2 stories high and ready to dominate .........We all know how that worked out........Until you lace up and put the pads on....well "June Talk"

FlatsSteeler
06-13-2013, 06:57 AM
$hit I just Stuttered......

Real Deal Steel
06-13-2013, 09:10 AM
Nothing but speculation.

K Train
06-13-2013, 09:20 AM
As much as I hate to quote a man I have great disdain for All I can say is this is just plain"June Talk"......The story begins in Late July........I hope on hope Jones is ready to start but if you remember last June Ziggy Hood was leaping 2 stories high and ready to dominate .........We all know how that worked out........Until you lace up and put the pads on....well "June Talk"

At least they are giving him looks as a starter though.

Hood talk has always been hood talk, since he was at mizzou

FlatsSteeler
06-13-2013, 09:34 AM
Funny today's Trib Article almost says the opposite.......As I said "June Talk"
http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/4184621-74/woodley-butler-jones#axzz2W5eottQi

$teelersRule
06-13-2013, 09:48 AM
so did anyone else pick up on this little comment by Lebeau?

"He's shown us a lot of instinctive football ability," defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau said. "If the coach doesn't mess him up, I think he's got a chance to be a pretty good player."

What coach will mess him up? Butler? Tomlin? Should'nt coaches be making the players better not "messing them up?"

TarlsQtr
06-13-2013, 10:51 AM
so did anyone else pick up on this little comment by Lebeau?

"He's shown us a lot of instinctive football ability," defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau said. "If the coach doesn't mess him up, I think he's got a chance to be a pretty good player."

What coach will mess him up? Butler? Tomlin? Should'nt coaches be making the players better not "messing them up?"

I think he was speaking tongue in cheek. Basically, Lebeau is saying that the kid has a ton of talent and if we (the coaching staff) cannot make him into a good football player it is our fault, not Jones's.

As far as the previous comments, it is very true that we are talking about "football in shorts.' What else are you going to talk about in June? :-)

TarlsQtr
06-13-2013, 10:55 AM
Funny today's Trib Article almost says the opposite.......As I said "June Talk"
http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/4184621-74/woodley-butler-jones#axzz2W5eottQi

The best part is that both articles use mostly the same quotes from coaches to draw almost completely different conclusions.

Both guys needed a story line for an article and chose the opposite conclusions.

ChucktownSteeler
06-13-2013, 12:24 PM
so did anyone else pick up on this little comment by Lebeau?

"He's shown us a lot of instinctive football ability," defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau said. "If the coach doesn't mess him up, I think he's got a chance to be a pretty good player."

What coach will mess him up? Butler? Tomlin? Should'nt coaches be making the players better not "messing them up?"

I think Dick was using some self-deprecating humor.

C-town

$teelersRule
06-13-2013, 12:34 PM
yeah that makes sense.. guess I read it too literally

coldrolled
06-13-2013, 01:50 PM
I think Dick was using some self-deprecating humor.

C-town

Pretty simple..

LatrobePA
06-13-2013, 02:31 PM
Maybe it was Dick just pretending to be a Dick??

LatrobePA
08-08-2013, 08:53 AM
I love this kid and hope he's a star!

K Train
08-08-2013, 09:02 AM
lol at bouchette saying theres no way the steelers would draft jones, he cant play OLB in their system and no he loves him

Big T
08-08-2013, 11:46 AM
lol at bouchette saying theres no way the steelers would draft jones, he cant play OLB in their system and no he loves him

Do you have a link to where he said that? I just don't remember seeing him ever say that. Not saying he never said it but I just don't recall ever seeing it. I do remember him saying, after Colbert talking about not seeing a rookie that could come in and start, that Jones could change that if they drafted him. I'll try to find that a little later.

Big T
08-08-2013, 12:02 PM
Not the exact quote I was referring to but it pretty much says the same thing. This was April 24:


Jones could be that rare outside linebacker who defies Kevin Colbert and makes an impact immediately in their defense. I thought LaMarr Woodley did that as a rookie too but he did not start, they pretty much used him only in certain pass rush situations. Jones would compete with Jason Worilds on the right outside to start and he would give them depth at a vital position in which they have little.

http://plus.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/pro-sports/steelers/120897-ed-pick-should-be-one-of-these-3

K Train
08-08-2013, 12:21 PM
i know the quote you are talking about, crash or ice cream glove threw a hissy fit over it.

Bouchette definitely said at best jones could play MLB for the steelers, he doesnt fit what they want in an outside guy and MLB isnt a need, idk where it is

Big T
08-08-2013, 01:17 PM
i know the quote you are talking about, crash or ice cream glove threw a hissy fit over it.

Bouchette definitely said at best jones could play MLB for the steelers, he doesnt fit what they want in an outside guy and MLB isnt a need, idk where it is

It was ice cream glove. "LET'S LOOK AT WHAT HE ACTUALLY SAID!" lol

connecticutsteel
08-09-2013, 09:21 PM
I think JJ could play both

Troyisabeast_43
08-10-2013, 10:11 AM
If Jones and Woodley are able to create a consistent pass rush it's going to do something that the Steelers have not been able to do in the last few years a lot and that is create turnovers. Turnovers win games and if Troy is healthy and the Steelers can create more turnovers it's going to make this defense that much better....

Real Deal Steel
08-10-2013, 11:13 AM
If Jones and Woodley are able to create a consistent pass rush it's going to do something that the Steelers have not been able to do in the last few years a lot and that is create turnovers. Turnovers win games and if Troy is healthy and the Steelers can create more turnovers it's going to make this defense that much better....

Don't get me excited, stop teasing me.

Black@Gold Forever32
08-10-2013, 11:21 AM
I do think Woodley is going to have a huge year........I'm calling it now 14 sacks for Wood......Hopefully Jones beats out Worilds........Worilds is fine as a 3rd OLB but I just don't see him ever being a fulltime starter......Troy staying healthy would be nice but I'm not holding my breath.....lol