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Big T
06-05-2013, 02:00 AM
--- Jonathan Dwyer is heavy, real heavy, and his teammates cannot believe he is in such lousy shape. It’s early June, so he has a few months to get into shape, but if he reports to camp this way, his roster spot is in severe jeopardy. Unless there is an injury, he may not make it anyway because as I’ve written, the Steelers are not likely to carry two backup running backs at a $1.3 million salary each. And Isaac Redman is way ahead of Dwyer in the pecking order.

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Raleigh Steel
06-05-2013, 05:00 AM
It's a shame when people with talent waste it. If indeed he is way out of shape than he won't make this team...which is a shame because I think he could be a really good back in this league.

Big T
06-05-2013, 05:15 AM
It seems Bouchette may be reaching a bit. Dwyer clearly isn't Mendenhall (shape wise), but after reading that you'd expect Casey Hampton...

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K Train
06-05-2013, 08:09 AM
same **** different year.

I guess we had reason to believe hed be better when he signed his tender immediately in order to make a statement that he wanted to work hard and earn a deal, but i guess leveon bell it is

SnakeEyes43
06-05-2013, 08:36 AM
I'm fine with Bell...

coldrolled
06-05-2013, 09:03 AM
Then he is stupid and lazy... screw him...

NeilPatrickBanana
06-05-2013, 09:40 AM
I've said all along... he won't make the team this year. He didn't do much with his opportunity, and he's a terrible fit for the schematic shift.

TarlsQtr
06-05-2013, 10:15 AM
It seems Bouchette may be reaching a bit. Dwyer clearly isn't Mendenhall (shape wise), but after reading that you'd expect Casey Hampton...

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Not necessarily. Out of shape for the common guy means 300 pounds. For a professional running back, it could mean looking so so in a uniform but huffing and puffing while running a 40. If that is fat and not abs around that mid section, Bouchette is correct.

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Zachintosh66
06-05-2013, 10:42 AM
Too bad, i liked him and was pulling for him for some unknown reason...

coldrolled
06-05-2013, 11:22 AM
Too bad, i liked him and was pulling for him for some unknown reason...

Douche ette is a bit off so you never know. So only camp will tell if dwyer is fat and lazy... Next man up Dwyer.. dumbass...
Get it together...

Foote says Worilds will be the starter... so is Foote smarter than Ktrain??

K Train
06-05-2013, 11:51 AM
Douche ette is a bit off so you never know. So only camp will tell if dwyer is fat and lazy... Next man up Dwyer.. dumbass...
Get it together...

Foote says Worilds will be the starter... so is Foote smarter than Ktrain??
what? ive said id be shocked if jones started even 1 game, but even more shocked if worilds wasnt anything more than a complete disappointment. Ive never denied hes the starter, i have a feeling he'll start a lot even if were forced to watch his blatant mediocrity and lack of production

coldrolled
06-05-2013, 12:04 PM
ok, ok.. Its up to Worilds to make us proud... Maybe with the Woodley's hammy... Woirlds and Jones will be starting alot this year?

K Train
06-05-2013, 12:06 PM
woodley is going to have hamstrings of steel this year

Black@Gold Forever32
06-05-2013, 12:37 PM
Time to cut Dwyer........He has proven over and over that he isn't dedicated in being a better player so just get rid of this chump.......

Big T
06-05-2013, 12:53 PM
Time to cut Dwyer........He has proven over and over that he isn't dedicated in being a better player so just get rid of this chump.......

Hard to argue with that. He's a talented kid that just doesn't seem to want it bad enough. He may get it one day and be a player in this league, but I don't think it'll be here. But who knows, maybe he comes into training camp in great shape, but like I've said before I wouldn't bet on it. He's had every opportunity to show up in shape and prove he wants it. He just hasn't taken advantage of his opportunities.

This is why a guy with 1st round buzz before the combine drops to the 6th.

Black@Gold Forever32
06-05-2013, 01:02 PM
Hard to argue with that. He's a talented kid that just doesn't seem to want it bad enough. He may get it one day and be a player in this league, but I don't think it'll be here. But who knows, maybe he comes into training camp in great shape, but like I've said before I wouldn't bet on it. He's had every opportunity to show up in shape and prove he wants it. He just hasn't taken advantage of his opportunities.

This is why a guy with 1st round buzz before the combine drops to the 6th.

You would think the light bulb would go off in his head and he would come into the OTA's in shape but I guess Dwyer likes being in Tomlin's doghouse....lol With Dwyer on thin ice there is a chance now for one of the undrafted RB's to make the team.....Batch is about as useful as a one legged man in a ***-kicking contest.........

NeilPatrickBanana
06-05-2013, 01:16 PM
You would think the light bulb would go off in his head and he would come into the OTA's in shape but I guess Dwyer likes being in Tomlin's doghouse....lol With Dwyer on thin ice there is a chance now for one of the undrafted RB's to make the team.....Batch is about as useful as a one legged man in a ***-kicking contest.........

dumb

K Train
06-05-2013, 01:32 PM
dumb to think batch has anything valuable to offer the team, his measurables look like a good zone runner but he has literally shown nothing.

Oh wait, he blocked harrison once on backs on backers.....yawn

Oh and he gave us a good laugh on that one dropped TD from antonio brown, not a defender in sight

Black@Gold Forever32
06-05-2013, 01:53 PM
dumb

Yea I forgot you're Vince ****ing Lombardi and know all.......Yea Batch was so ****ing useful to the team last year......Hard to replace his ****ing 25 carries for 49 yards and a TD....lol Plus his 4 catches for 31 yards.........Batch is a bum and really needs to move on to another profession.........

SuperSteelers
06-05-2013, 03:43 PM
It really doesn't matter because Bell is the man.

LatrobePA
06-05-2013, 03:47 PM
Bell will be the #1 back this season.. Dwyer has time to get in shape!

Real Deal Steel
06-05-2013, 04:59 PM
Dwyer (to me) has proven he's not mature. Bottom line. He has no real pride. Because a smart man would have gotten in shape and be in position to battle Bell for the position.

ChucktownSteeler
06-05-2013, 06:02 PM
I am fine with Bell, let Redman be the short yardage specialist, and Howling will surprise.

Good riddance to Dwyer. We couldn't even get a 7th round pick for him at the draft.

We can pull someone from the waiver wire better than Dwyer (at least more dedicated).

NeilPatrickBanana
06-05-2013, 08:53 PM
dumb to think batch has anything valuable to offer the team, his measurables look like a good zone runner but he has literally shown nothing.

Oh wait, he blocked harrison once on backs on backers.....yawn

Oh and he gave us a good laugh on that one dropped TD from antonio brown, not a defender in sight

dumb to write off players who take a few years to break in to the NFL... if you want to write him off, give me some real analysis as to why. tell me you don't think he has the feet, or his vision is terrible, or he's to slow to the hole... don't give me the lazy statistics approach.

If his measurables look like a good zone runner, and we are moving to a zone scheme... what does his lack of production in a Man scheme matter?

We are changing schemes, and we have a bunch of relatively young RBs who we need to PROJECT into a new scheme. Baron projects well, Dwyer doesn't...

NeilPatrickBanana
06-05-2013, 08:55 PM
Yea I forgot you're Vince ****ing Lombardi and know all.......Yea Batch was so ****ing useful to the team last year......Hard to replace his ****ing 25 carries for 49 yards and a TD....lol Plus his 4 catches for 31 yards.........Batch is a bum and really needs to move on to another profession.........

i know that judging a player coming off an ACL tear, in a man scheme.... and using that judgement to project him as a healthy back in a zone scheme... is also dumb.

K Train
06-05-2013, 09:18 PM
dumb to write off players who take a few years to break in to the NFL... if you want to write him off, give me some real analysis as to why. tell me you don't think he has the feet, or his vision is terrible, or he's to slow to the hole... don't give me the lazy statistics approach.

If his measurables look like a good zone runner, and we are moving to a zone scheme... what does his lack of production in a Man scheme matter?

We are changing schemes, and we have a bunch of relatively young RBs who we need to PROJECT into a new scheme. Baron projects well, Dwyer doesn't...
There is not even one thing i can think of that baron batch can do that LSH cant do significantly better (except blog), better enough to make his age not matter (3rd down back, so it doesnt matter much anyway).

I get it, hes explosive in his long jump and vert and ran a good time....i feel like hes not a player thats going to get better though, hes a what you see is what you get caliber of player. I know he didnt run much at TT in that offense, but he did enough and he was a 7th round pick for a reason despite his dazzling workout numbers. I have very little faith in any back on the roster right now (bell, redman, dwyer, LSH, and batch...jesus the mediocrity is so underwhelming its overwhelming....), but baron batch is easily towards the bottom.

NeilPatrickBanana
06-05-2013, 09:32 PM
There is not even one thing i can think of that baron batch can do that LSH cant do significantly better (except blog), better enough to make his age not matter (3rd down back, so it doesnt matter much anyway).

I get it, hes explosive in his long jump and vert and ran a good time....i feel like hes not a player thats going to get better though, hes a what you see is what you get caliber of player. I know he didnt run much at TT in that offense, but he did enough and he was a 7th round pick for a reason despite his dazzling workout numbers. I have very little faith in any back on the roster right now (bell, redman, dwyer, LSH, and batch...jesus the mediocrity is so underwhelming its overwhelming....), but baron batch is easily towards the bottom.

Starter : Bell
3rd down : LSH

the camp battle will be whether they carry 3 or 4 RBs on the 53.

Redman's case : Can backup the starter... bonus = excellent short yardage back
Batch's case : Can back up both the Starter and the 3rd down back
Dwyer's case : Can backup the Starter only

If one of the practice squad eligible backs shows enough that they are confident they can keep the #4 back on the PS... then Batch makes the most sense to keep as the Backup up to both the starter and the 3rd down back. If they keep 4 backs... then only 1 of Dwyer, Redman, Batch gets cut... and it's still likely to be Dwyer

Add in the fact that Batch is a good special teams guy... and it's case closed... he has a much better chance at a roster spot than Dough Dwyer

coldrolled
06-05-2013, 10:03 PM
Batch's case : Can back up both the Starter and the 3rd down back?????? 49 yards.

Dwyers lead the group with 730 yards...

He needs to man up, but batch is not the answer.

NeilPatrickBanana
06-05-2013, 10:46 PM
Batch's case : Can back up both the Starter and the 3rd down back?????? 49 yards.

Dwyers lead the group with 730 yards...

He needs to man up, but batch is not the answer.

Batch is the answer to, "who can be a versatile backup #3 RB, contribute on special teams, and allow the team to only carry 3 RBs on the active roster"?

Dwyer is the answer to, "which RB can we carry, not use on 3rd downs, not contribute on special teams, and force us to carry an extra back because of it"



Dwyer is gone... the only question is whether we carry both Redman and Batch, or only 1 of them.... or if a camp body / practice squad type, makes a run at a roster spot changing up the competition

(barring any other signings changing the picture)

Black@Gold Forever32
06-06-2013, 12:45 AM
i know that judging a player coming off an ACL tear, in a man scheme.... and using that judgement to project him as a healthy back in a zone scheme... is also dumb.

Whatever Lombardi, and really your act is old......You sit behind a computer screen and post on a message board just like me and the rest of the people here on SA so if you don't agree with me then put me on ignore but don't start **** with me cause I have a different opinion then you.....

Even if Batch is fully healthy and switching to a zone scheme then I seriously doubt we have the next Arian Foster on our roster......As for Batch contributing on special teams and things of that nature then those type of RB's are a dime a dozen......What I have seen of Batch there is nothing that wows me about him and I wouldn't be shocked if one of the undrafted RB's pushed him off the roster.......I go by what I see from the games and just have never been really impressed with Baron Batch and RB's like him are a dime a dozen.........

Mike Tomlin
06-06-2013, 01:43 AM
I don't understand why we don't make his fat *** a fullback/halfback , in certain packages let him play fullback and make the defense guess which back is getting the ball. I mean that's what he did in college and he clearly can't keep his weight in check so use it as an advantage.

ChucktownSteeler
06-06-2013, 07:08 AM
As soon as the Steelers were shopping Dwyer for a 7th round pick on draft should have been your sign.

Dwyer is gone.

K Train
06-06-2013, 07:36 AM
I don't understand why we don't make his fat *** a fullback/halfback , in certain packages let him play fullback and make the defense guess which back is getting the ball. I mean that's what he did in college and he clearly can't keep his weight in check so use it as an advantage.

Thats not what he did in college. He is just fat, fat doesnt equate to good lead blocker. He might have "Played fullback" at GT, but when you watch that gimmicky *** offense he played in, he didnt play FB at all

coldrolled
06-06-2013, 09:18 AM
Dwyer is the answer to, "which RB can we carry, not use on 3rd downs, not contribute on special teams, and force us to carry an extra back because of it"

If Bell is out 4-6 weeks.. then what?? were back to the old CBatch and leftwich scenario when ben was hurt.. nothing at backup...

NeilPatrickBanana
06-06-2013, 11:20 AM
Whatever Lombardi, and really your act is old......You sit behind a computer screen and post on a message board just like me and the rest of the people here on SA so if you don't agree with me then put me on ignore but don't start **** with me cause I have a different opinion then you.....

but i'm not nearly as sensitive as you are.


Even if Batch is fully healthy and switching to a zone scheme then I seriously doubt we have the next Arian Foster on our roster......As for Batch contributing on special teams and things of that nature then those type of RB's are a dime a dozen......What I have seen of Batch there is nothing that wows me about him and I wouldn't be shocked if one of the undrafted RB's pushed him off the roster.......I go by what I see from the games and just have never been really impressed with Baron Batch and RB's like him are a dime a dozen.........

So, this is where you build a straw man? I've never said anything about Batch being a special player or anything like a Foster. My opinion has been pretty consistent since we hired Bicknell. Prior to drafting Bell and signing LSH, Batch had the best skill set and is the best fit in a Zone system (compared to Redman and Dwyer). I've never said Batch is going to be awesome... I said he was the best fit, among a weak group.

Since signing LSH (a very solid 3rd down and change of pace back), and drafting Bell (clearly to be the #1). My opinion has moderated towards the depth at the RB position. Bell and LSH are clearly the starter and the 3rd down/pace backs... but you still need depth. And depth should still FIT THE SCHEME.


Yes, Unproven RBs are a dime a dozen
Yes, Batch has shown very little in the NFL

Until an UDFA emerges, or they sign another back (Bradshaw)... Batch is a logical choice to make the team (especially over Dwyer)

JenZwain
06-06-2013, 06:14 PM
Not sure if anyone has seen it lately, But Batch has bulked up quite a bit and seemed healthy and ready to make a impact this year.

Mike Tomlin
06-06-2013, 06:56 PM
Thats not what he did in college. He is just fat, fat doesnt equate to good lead blocker. He might have "Played fullback" at GT, but when you watch that gimmicky *** offense he played in, he didnt play FB at all

That is what I was saying in my post. I said he played fullback in college not that he was a great lead blocker.I was saying we can have certain packages where he plays fullback and we make the D guess who going to run the ball.I know exactly what he did in college and he was basically a running fullback that did very little blocking. Why not use that way since he plays on the bigger side.

coldrolled
06-06-2013, 08:29 PM
Not sure if anyone has seen it lately, But Batch has bulked up quite a bit and seemed healthy and ready to make a impact this year.


Brains and Bulk and attitude may keep him on the team....

Stupid and Fat will get Dwyer knocked off.

coldrolled
06-06-2013, 10:00 PM
Until an UDFA emerges, or they sign another back (Bradshaw)...

We've long thought Ahmad Bradshaw was the most talented free agent still available on the market. It sounds like he won't be on the market much longer.

NFL Network's Kimberly Jones reports that Bradshaw and the Indianapolis Colts currently are in contract talks, according to a person familiar with the negotiations. It doesn't appear the two sides will get a contract done on Thursday night, but a deal is likely to happen.


The move makes a ton of sense. Bradshaw is a versatile back that can excel on early downs, but he's especially good on passing downs. And there are plenty of passing downs in Indianapolis with Andrew Luck, no matter how much they are talking about "balance" this offseason.

coldrolled
06-07-2013, 09:16 AM
Dwyer has a chance....

Upshaw is up to 285 pounds after playing at 272 in 2012.

It's not unusual for a coach to take the chance publicly to get on a player early in the offseason. Harbaugh likely wanted to make sure his linebacker wouldn't rest on the laurels of winning a Super Bowl and wanted to nudge him out of bad habits sooner rather than later.

"Courtney eats too much, and he doesn't eat all the right foods," Harbaugh said. "He knows that's something that he's going to have to get a handle on or he's not going to be the best he can be. He's aware of it. We have everybody in our building involved in it. He'll be in fighting shape. I promise you that."


Upshaw said he is working to get back down to playing weight and cited personal troubles in Alabama for not being able to work out as much this offseason.

"I'm working, man. I'm working real hard," Upshaw said Thursday, via the team's official website. "It's anything to try to get me down. It's frustrating to not see my weight go down knowing I'm putting in all that work."

NeilPatrickBanana
06-07-2013, 09:34 AM
Dwyer has a chance....

Upshaw is up to 285 pounds after playing at 272 in 2012.

It's not unusual for a coach to take the chance publicly to get on a player early in the offseason. Harbaugh likely wanted to make sure his linebacker wouldn't rest on the laurels of winning a Super Bowl and wanted to nudge him out of bad habits sooner rather than later.

"Courtney eats too much, and he doesn't eat all the right foods," Harbaugh said. "He knows that's something that he's going to have to get a handle on or he's not going to be the best he can be. He's aware of it. We have everybody in our building involved in it. He'll be in fighting shape. I promise you that."


Upshaw said he is working to get back down to playing weight and cited personal troubles in Alabama for not being able to work out as much this offseason.

"I'm working, man. I'm working real hard," Upshaw said Thursday, via the team's official website. "It's anything to try to get me down. It's frustrating to not see my weight go down knowing I'm putting in all that work."

There is a difference though.... This is Upshaw's 2nd camp, and he's getting the "talking to" about his weight. (He was also a pretty high draft pick).

Where as, Dwyer already got the "talking to" about his weight... Last Year... AND the year before that.... AND the year before that. And showed up AGAIN.... out of shape in his FOURTH season. (He was a 6th round pick).

Dwyer is done

ChucktownSteeler
06-07-2013, 04:59 PM
We can pluck someone off waivers better than Dwyer or Redman.

coldrolled
06-07-2013, 05:33 PM
There is a difference though.... This is Upshaw's 2nd camp, and he's getting the "talking to" about his weight. (He was also a pretty high draft pick).

Where as, Dwyer already got the "talking to" about his weight... Last Year... AND the year before that.... AND the year before that. And showed up AGAIN.... out of shape in his FOURTH season. (He was a 6th round pick).



Dwyer is done



I understand... But Dwyer was 20 when we drafted him. Not real mature... Obviously not now either.

Nolrog
06-07-2013, 08:10 PM
We have too many RBs anyway. We should have 3, 4 tops. The feature back, the change of pace back, the full back and a back up. Cut some RBs and add some WRs/TEs.

huntem
06-08-2013, 12:47 AM
Just something to think about with Redmond. Part of his game is how he uses his his head and the league is cracking down on that. He is going to have to change his game. I dont know if Redmond is the answer as a #2 back. Not that I think Dwyer is either but because of this it will be close between Dwyer and Redmond to stay on the roster.

Ibleedblk&gld
06-08-2013, 05:04 AM
Redman*

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Get7With7
06-12-2013, 12:25 PM
We have too many RBs anyway. We should have 3, 4 tops. The feature back, the change of pace back, the full back and a back up. Cut some RBs and add some WRs/TEs.

Pretty much this. Drafting Bell should mean the end for Dwyer as a Steeler. Use that roster spot for another position.

Rocky#20
06-12-2013, 07:42 PM
You see players like Dwyer from time to time in the NFL,they have the size and the speed to be really good,but they don't have the desire.They played football in High School and college because they were good at it,not because they loved playing the game.