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connecticutsteel
04-19-2013, 12:31 PM
If the Steelers miss out on these two players in the draft i would consider the first round a fail .

K Train
04-19-2013, 12:32 PM
If they are there, then yes i agree.

Hunter, Elam, Cooper, Warmack, Eifert are all players that i wouldnt consider a failure, just not as good as those two stud monters

tazzer151
04-19-2013, 12:38 PM
I wouldn't mind if they skipped over jones, I honestly wanna see Worilds with a full 16 slate of games.

Real Deal Steel
04-19-2013, 12:50 PM
Such harsh words considering all the need areas that we have. Wow.

The first round would only be a failure to me if they use the pick on a safety or TE.

Blitzburgh_Mike
04-19-2013, 02:30 PM
I honestly don't see how you could consider drafting Tyler Eifert as a failure. I'll take it a step further and say that if Eifert is there at #17 and we don't take him, I will be very upset. That will be a major mistake.

steelchamp204
04-19-2013, 02:48 PM
Really? What is with all the Patterson love on here? I'd take the two WR's from WV over him, hell even Woods in the later rounds would be a nice pick. Im not sayin he is a bum or will be a bust, but damn.

coldrolled
04-19-2013, 03:08 PM
Cooper, Eifert Im with arming Ben first...

RB - WR second round

OL - RB third round depending on the first two.

Rocky#20
04-19-2013, 03:19 PM
Most draft experts see Patterson as having phenominal skills, but being very raw and will take awhile to adapt to the NFL.

connecticutsteel
04-19-2013, 06:54 PM
obviously those scouts didn't see the same break away and open field moves and the circus catches .the way i look at it is they say he has skills but he is raw .the raw is there out so if he doesn't pan out they can say he was too raw.antonio brown is a above average WR and he barely was ablip on the draft radar so everyone is guessing except mayock he belives his own hype lol

plus why would we take eifert he's a luxury pick we have 5 TE on the roster.and the only saftey with a first round grade is Vaccaro and he has off field issues arrests for shoplifting and alcohol on campus violations

Real Deal Steel
04-19-2013, 07:52 PM
I honestly don't see how you could consider drafting Tyler Eifert as a failure. I'll take it a step further and say that if Eifert is there at #17 and we don't take him, I will be very upset. That will be a major mistake.

well, you might as well start getting upset right now so you can be over it by the draft because we will not be taking eifert when our pick comes up. We have needs in real areas of concern. Te is really not that much of a concern. There will be te's released from other teams soon enough after the draft.

Nolrog
04-19-2013, 09:18 PM
If the Steelers miss out on these two players in the draft i would consider the first round a fail .

What if they are picked by someone else in the top, say, 12?

connecticutsteel
04-20-2013, 12:43 PM
then obiously we pick someone else duh i'm saying if they are available and we do something else

ChucktownSteeler
04-20-2013, 01:14 PM
Is Patterson a gamble at #17 in the first round? How many years was he a starter at Tennessee? IMHO, the big 3 in Round 1 are:

Cooper
Jones
Patterson

What happens if Womack or Mingo fall to #17? Round 1 still a failure?

In that order.

Rocky#20
04-20-2013, 04:35 PM
How does everyone feel about T'eo at ILB to replace Larry Foote?

JollyRob68
04-20-2013, 04:50 PM
According to Gery Dulac The Steelers don't see an issue with Patterson that other teams see. They don't think he's that raw or a one trick pony. With Dulac saying that I'm going to assume if Patterson is on the board he's the pick. I'm fine with that now.BEn Needs weapons and I'd also consider the two guards as weapons to keep him upright.If Xavier Rhodes is on the board I'd still want him.

ChucktownSteeler
04-20-2013, 06:05 PM
According to Gery Dulac The Steelers don't see an issue with Patterson that other teams see. They don't think he's that raw or a one trick pony. With Dulac saying that I'm going to assume if Patterson is on the board he's the pick. I'm fine with that now.BEn Needs weapons and I'd also consider the two guards as weapons to keep him upright.If Xavier Rhodes is on the board I'd still want him.

I am not sure that I agree with that comment. I don't think the Steelers would tip their hand. Smoke-screen maybe?

Nolrog
04-20-2013, 10:00 PM
How does everyone feel about T'eo at ILB to replace Larry Foote?

I liked him originally, but I soured on him. I think he was more a victim than anything, but that girlfriend thing still bothers me a bit. More importantly, he didn't perform well in the combine. I don't think he's a wise choice for us.

Nolrog
04-20-2013, 10:01 PM
According to Gery Dulac The Steelers don't see an issue with Patterson that other teams see. They don't think he's that raw or a one trick pony. With Dulac saying that I'm going to assume if Patterson is on the board he's the pick. I'm fine with that now.BEn Needs weapons and I'd also consider the two guards as weapons to keep him upright.If Xavier Rhodes is on the board I'd still want him.

I don't believe anything I hear right now about the draft. It's just as likely that the Steelers are trying to throw another team off their scent, making them think they like Patterson when they have no intention of drafting him as it is that they love him and want him to be the pick.

Zachintosh66
04-20-2013, 10:42 PM
I hope you all keep pulling for Patterson... That way I know it doesnt happen. :lol:

ChucktownSteeler
04-21-2013, 07:30 AM
I hope you all keep pulling for Patterson... That way I know it doesnt happen. :lol:

I am not pulling for a TE or WR in Round 1. First of all, too many other needs currently and secondly the WR pool is deep. We can get a WR in the later rounds.

Plus we have Manny Sanders for at last another year. I say OG or LB in round 1.

Nolrog
04-21-2013, 07:59 AM
I am not pulling for a TE or WR in Round 1. First of all, too many other needs currently and secondly the WR pool is deep. We can get a WR in the later rounds.

Plus we have Manny Sanders for at last another year. I say OG or LB in round 1.

We have too many other needs, but OG isn't one of them.

steelchamp204
04-21-2013, 10:30 AM
We dont need another Offensive linemen, holy ****. We have th musicanl chair group, if someone gets hurt, we'll resign Legs or Starks

Zachintosh66
04-21-2013, 10:45 AM
We have too many other needs, but OG isn't one of them.

Womack and Coop could be pro-bowlers... if one of them slip you cant pass on them

connecticutsteel
04-21-2013, 12:40 PM
I MUST ADMIT A GREAT O-LINE CAN CORRECT MANY SHORTCOMINGS ON OFFENSE

ChucktownSteeler
04-21-2013, 01:05 PM
Womack and Coop could be pro-bowlers... if one of them slip you cant pass on them

Agreed, you really can't pass on either, unless Mingo is still on the board.

coach
04-22-2013, 12:29 PM
Most draft experts see Patterson as having phenominal skills, but being very raw and will take awhile to adapt to the NFL.

Which is why I am not so sure you spend the pick on him. We'll all know in just over 72 hours.

coldrolled
04-22-2013, 12:35 PM
Im eating my Lucky Charms for the next 72 hours...

Big T
04-22-2013, 12:38 PM
Patterson made the jump from JuCo (practically HS football) to the toughest conference in in the FBS (SEC), seemlessly. That's a big adaptation and not only did he adapt but he made defenders look silly in the process. Obviously the jump to the NFL is different. I'm not saying they are the sane situations... But he has shown the ability to adapt to a faster and more complex game.

SuperSteelers
04-22-2013, 02:26 PM
One article suggests that the Steelers will select:

STAR LOTULELEI, DT, UTAH

K Train
04-22-2013, 02:28 PM
Star would be an incredible pick

SuperSteelers
04-22-2013, 02:33 PM
Another mock draft has the Steelers selecting Dee Milliner, CB, Alabama

coldrolled
04-22-2013, 03:13 PM
NFL Network's Mike Mayock opined last week that there is no cornerback worthy of a top-10 selection in the 2013 NFL Draft. At the same time, Mayock bumped Houston's D.J. Hayden ahead of Alabama's Dee Milliner on his cornerback list.

Is Milliner's stock slipping ever so slightly?

SI.com's Peter King hears teams have concerns about Milliner's shoulder following March surgery to repair a torn labrum.

There is now some question as to whether Milliner will be ready for training camp, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer.

"We haven't been able to do the rehab like I want to because I've been going to different teams," Milliner acknowledged. "But once the draft is over, I'll be able to start to rehab it and try to get back on track."

There seems to be a wide range of opinions among NFL teams on Milliner's value. Various outlets have reported the Cleveland Browns, Atlanta Falcons and New York Jets still have him rated as the clear No. 1 cornerback. Other teams believe there's little disparity between Milliner and the eighth-ranked cornerback on their board, according to Draftinsider.net.

It only takes one team convinced of Milliner's talent to make the cornerback a top-10 pick. The Cowboys selected cornerback Morris Claiborne at No. 6 overall last year knowing that wrist surgery would keep him out of offseason practices.

Real Deal Steel
04-22-2013, 04:21 PM
Milliner is top 10. Case closed.

If not, let him slip on down to us at # 17. :)

K Train
04-22-2013, 04:32 PM
milliner is a bit overrated, i think rhodes is the #1 CB but he'd be horrible for our defense...milliner and trufant would be excellent fits.

Tough to tell where Milliner falls....Kareem Jackson or Dre Kirkpatrick...he has qualities of both (his biggest red flag is the lack of use of his backpedal, a problem that kirkpatrick had. His size and speed combo is ridiculous though. I could see him falling a bit

NeilPatrickBanana
04-22-2013, 04:41 PM
milliner is a bit overrated, i think rhodes is the #1 CB but he'd be horrible for our defense...milliner and trufant would be excellent fits.

Tough to tell where Milliner falls....Kareem Jackson or Dre Kirkpatrick...he has qualities of both (his biggest red flag is the lack of use of his backpedal, a problem that kirkpatrick had. His size and speed combo is ridiculous though. I could see him falling a bit

Agreed again.

The bottom line is that guys that Man Press/Island Up, are far far far more valuable than zone, off man cover guys... Rhodes is the only elite Man Press in the draft.

BUT...

Milliner is a better fit if we are going to remain super stubborn in our zone/off man schemes. I would hope that if you believed the Rhodes was the next Darrell Revis, you would accomodate his skill set schematically if were lucky enough to draft him.

So Milliner is a better fit, but Rhodes is a far more valuable talent.

K Train
04-22-2013, 04:48 PM
trufant and amerson would be studs at CB in the steelers off zone coverage. Amerson is a FS on every team, but we have a d that he could play CB on (similar to how i felt about aaron williams, malcolm jenkins, and even kirkpatrick) only amerson has the speed they lacked

Id fear they would be stubborn with rhodes and make him look foolish out there (everyone would be screaming bust in a week if they tried to make him play in the current scheme) but that man does not get beat deep in man coverage and hes brilliant at pressing the man at the line and sticking on his hip....a super rare quality for an athlete of his size

NeilPatrickBanana
04-22-2013, 04:53 PM
trufant and amerson would be studs at CB in the steelers off zone coverage. Amerson is a FS on every team, but we have a d that he could play CB on (similar to how i felt about aaron williams, malcolm jenkins, and even kirkpatrick) only amerson has the speed they lacked

Id fear they would be stubborn with rhodes and make him look foolish out there (everyone would be screaming bust in a week if they tried to make him play in the current scheme) but that man does not get beat deep in man coverage and hes brilliant at pressing the man at the line and sticking on his hip....a super rare quality for an athlete of his size

That's why he's #2 on my board... he's gonna be a rare one.

It still surprises me that the Steelers haven't gone more press/man... although it should be acknowledged that we see it in certain situations today, where as you almost never saw it 3 years ago.

Especially with the routes and blocking assignments being used today, an elite press/man corner actually improves you pass rush, while zones allow good QBs (of which their are many more today), to simply pick apart your defense with precision routes/passing.

I want nothing to do with Amerson at corner... FS, Deep zones.... sure... but not lining up on the outside and having the discipline to maintain a zone.

K Train
04-22-2013, 04:55 PM
ive been a ridiculously big fan of rhodes ever since he was a redshirt sophomore and he really tightened up his game the last few years (so did trufant big time)

Steelergolfer59
04-22-2013, 05:03 PM
So if we choose Eifert, that would be considered a fail?

K Train
04-22-2013, 05:08 PM
i am a big fan of eifert, but if they take him at 17 over Patterson, Jones, Star, Milliner, Rhodes, Warmack, Jordan, Mingo, or Cooper...then yes it is a fail. Thats 9 of the first 17 players and im not including the tackles, DTs, or QBs

Id even argue a case for Hunter and Elam over Eifert at 17

NeilPatrickBanana
04-22-2013, 06:21 PM
i am a big fan of eifert, but if they take him at 17 over Patterson, Jones, Star, Milliner, Rhodes, Warmack, Jordan, Mingo, or Cooper...then yes it is a fail. Thats 9 of the first 17 players and im not including the tackles, DTs, or QBs

Id even argue a case for Hunter and Elam over Eifert at 17

I'll smash things if we draft warmack or Cooper... Such idiocy would be intolerable (3 interior oline 1st round picks in 4 years)

K Train
04-22-2013, 06:24 PM
im not in love with it, but they are incredibly good players that i wouldnt smash things

NeilPatrickBanana
04-22-2013, 06:29 PM
im not in love with it, but they are incredibly good players that i wouldnt smash things

we can't spend half a decade investing in off/def linemen... it's bad franchise management... Hood, Pouncey, Heyward, Decastro, Cooper.... ****ing stupid... hey lets add in those 2nd round Oline as well....

there's a huge lack of playmaking talent right now... and the reason why is staring us right in the face on draft week... doing it for a 5th year... unbearable.

id rather over draft skill positions, than get a "steal" on the oline... BPA is for morons

BstripeYpaint
04-22-2013, 06:54 PM
Cooper and Womack may well be rare talents. If one is there at 17, I won't be surprised if that's the transaction they make. C'mon.... if that materializes, we would derive much comfort from the knowledge that Big Ben has the best line in front of him.

In addition to those big boys, Vaccaro, Eifert & Lacy seem to be legit first rounders. I'm hoping that John Simon will be there for us in a later round.

Real Deal Steel
04-22-2013, 07:38 PM
There is no doubt that if they went O-line (which I doubt) we couldn't be TOO mad. But at the same time, we have an alarming need at LB, maybe two LB's spots, we need help in the Secondary, NT, TE and RB too. I just don't see the O-line being that big of a need this year to warrant a first round pick.

Also, think about it, with all the O-linemen being drafted, there will be a veteran or two that will get released that could possibly come in and help us on the cheap. Giving us the depth we need on the O-line.

Believe me, I want to get that running game up and going this year. I want the balance back in this offense.

K Train
04-22-2013, 07:55 PM
Cooper and Womack may well be rare talents. If one is there at 17, I won't be surprised if that's the transaction they make. C'mon.... if that materializes, we would derive much comfort from the knowledge that Big Ben has the best line in front of him.

In addition to those big boys, Vaccaro, Eifert & Lacy seem to be legit first rounders. I'm hoping that John Simon will be there for us in a later round.

what in the world do you like about john simon? that one article that says hes reminds the steelers of harrison? No ****ing way. He is a passionate player but he is not a great conversion candidate. Id bring back Gibson before id draft Simon

I do think cooper and warmack are becoming slightly overrated, id take decastro last year over both of them but they are being hyped like weve never seen anything like them before. Cooper is not THAT better than the pounceys as athletic guards, or even Branden albert who was an amazing guard prospect that has played LT since day one

And honestly Fluker is every bit as impressive as Iupati as a guard, but that gets lost in the shuffle. The best this year gets hyped as the best in the last 10 years way to oftern

Nolrog
04-22-2013, 08:21 PM
I'll smash things if we draft warmack or Cooper... Such idiocy would be intolerable (3 interior oline 1st round picks in 4 years)

I agree. Don't forget about 2 defensive linemen in the first round in the last 5 years (5 consecutive #1s and two #2s, 7 of the top 10 picks in that time on the line.) I don't know what's going to happen, but I do know what's not going to happen. It won't be another lineman in the first. You can take that to the bank.

steelchamp204
04-23-2013, 12:07 PM
There is no doubt that if they went O-line (which I doubt) we couldn't be TOO mad. But at the same time, we have an alarming need at LB, maybe two LB's spots, we need help in the Secondary, NT, TE and RB too. I just don't see the O-line being that big of a need this year to warrant a first round pick.

Also, think about it, with all the O-linemen being drafted, there will be a veteran or two that will get released that could possibly come in and help us on the cheap. Giving us the depth we need on the O-line.

Believe me, I want to get that running game up and going this year. I want the balance back in this offense.

We have an Alarming need at scoring points also, 22nd in th league lastyear isn't going to cut it. It's not looking good at TE with Rock hands and Johnson, unless Paulsen steps up big. It's time for the Offense to carry the Defense, Ben is in his prime and needs weapons.

Real Deal Steel
06-20-2013, 02:05 PM
Hey K-Train,

This is for you buddy. :)

Cordarrelle Patterson drawing raves in spring
ESPN's Kevin Seifert says a half-dozen people have told him recently how impressive rookie Cordarrelle Patterson has been this offseason.
Patterson was a lock to excel in non-padded drills in which defenders aren't allowed to touch him. He's a physical freak that can run by anyone. The key to beating out Jerome Simpson for the starting split end job will be getting off jams at the line of scrimmage and running crisp routes in traffic. Patterson won't have a chance to show he's polished enough to do that until camp.

Nolrog
06-20-2013, 02:17 PM
Doesn't matter to me how well Patterson is doing. I'm very happy with the way our draft turned out (well, except for the QB, still puzzled about that, considering where we are in Ben's lifecycle.)

K Train
06-20-2013, 02:53 PM
i am happy for him, hes going to be awesome. Hopefuly wheaton can be a someone

msullivan
06-30-2013, 09:14 PM
Guys, it just dosen't matter anymore.Colbert and company picks over the past 8 yrs, disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Willie Reid,Thaddeus Gibson,Chris Scott,Keenan lewis(GONE)Urbik(Gone)Wallace(Gone)Mendenhall(Gone ) RAY RICE(RAVENS)SWEED,GIBSON,ANTHONY SMITH,KEITH WILLIAMS,TA AMU,RAINEY,MIKE ADAMS,SPENCE,DECASTRO(OVERRATED)HOOD,HEYWARD(NOT FIRST RD. WORTHY) AND HERES WHO WE PASSED ON: T.Y. HILTON,NIGEL BRADHAM,MARVIN JONES,MARSHALL NEWHOUSE,RESHAD JONES,RANDALL COBB,JUSTIN HOUSTON,DENARIOUS MOORE,DONT'A HIGHTOWER,HELL, I THINK JAMIE COLLINS IS ALOT BETTER THAN JARVIS JONES.WHEATON = SANDERS, WHAT ABOUT STEDMAN BAILEY. ITS OVER PEOPLE.

coldrolled
06-30-2013, 09:45 PM
Crash anything to add?

Big T
06-30-2013, 10:21 PM
What is it with all the clowns around here this offseason? Jesus Christ. Crash and ice cream glove are bad enough. No need for another.

Omicron
06-30-2013, 11:18 PM
Guys, it just dosen't matter anymore.Colbert and company picks over the past 8 yrs, disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Willie Reid,Thaddeus Gibson,Chris Scott,Keenan lewis(GONE)Urbik(Gone)Wallace(Gone)Mendenhall(Gone ) RAY RICE(RAVENS)SWEED,GIBSON,ANTHONY SMITH,KEITH WILLIAMS,TA AMU,RAINEY,MIKE ADAMS,SPENCE,DECASTRO(OVERRATED)HOOD,HEYWARD(NOT FIRST RD. WORTHY) AND HERES WHO WE PASSED ON: T.Y. HILTON,NIGEL BRADHAM,MARVIN JONES,MARSHALL NEWHOUSE,RESHAD JONES,RANDALL COBB,JUSTIN HOUSTON,DENARIOUS MOORE,DONT'A HIGHTOWER,HELL, I THINK JAMIE COLLINS IS ALOT BETTER THAN JARVIS JONES.WHEATON = SANDERS, WHAT ABOUT STEDMAN BAILEY. ITS OVER PEOPLE.

Only thing I can add is he sure knows where his caps lock key is.