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VTSteelerfan
01-21-2013, 12:33 PM
I hate to say it but, sometimes I wonder if football is fixed.. I mean it seams like they wanted to harbough brother to square off and they are.. Lewis retiring.. the whole this seams fishy.. Tom Brady went limp.. what gives.. hasn't done it all year.. and I won't even bring up that long pass in the Denver Game.. So what do you all think??

jdehoff83
01-21-2013, 12:51 PM
You can make a conspiracy theory for anything... football games ehh i mean you could pay players off in theory but being a competitive person if i was in that spot. No way in hell are you asking me to dump the season and have a trip to the big game. Think about the guys that dont get a chance to experience that? That are pro bowl type players. I wasnt impressed with the pats offense or their play calling... the broncos at the end wtf? But the rats have been riding that luck all year.. 4th and 29 vs chargers? .... i think Texans wouldve played bmore better but oh well. Unless the mob runs the nfl.. i dont think its fixed rather than grown guys making normal mistakes showing that their human and other guys making plays when it counts...

LatrobePA
01-21-2013, 01:15 PM
Let me say this: The ravens played out of their minds and Flacco made the throws and plays when needed, they deserve this trip.

Now with that said, Ed Reed lawn darting people's heads this season and no suspension was sickening, lets not forget he's the coach on the field and was really needed out there while Ray was out. To me this one sticks out!

How about the non holding call on the Falcons final drive on 4th down?? Even the niners expected a flag.

The Hairball vs Hairball SB will sell tickets and air time, Goodell is a business man that just happens to be in tight with the ravens and Hairball family!

Crash
01-21-2013, 01:28 PM
Goodell loves the Ravens. Loves the city of Baltimore. Loves his bromance with Ray Lewis.

What's even more pathetic, is the Rooney's sit there and take it.

LatrobePA
01-21-2013, 01:32 PM
Goodell loves the Ravens. Loves the city of Baltimore. Loves his bromance with Ray Lewis.

What's even more pathetic, is the Rooney's sit there and take it.

And 30 other owners...

Ravenous Rex
01-21-2013, 01:36 PM
Goodell loves the Ravens. Loves the city of Baltimore. Loves his bromance with Ray Lewis.

What's even more pathetic, is the Rooney's sit there and take it.

You guys r truly pathetic. Keep making excuses and giving no respect or credit. Have fun watching Flacco in the Superbowl.

NeilPatrickBanana
01-21-2013, 01:40 PM
No, people are just stupid

LatrobePA
01-21-2013, 01:50 PM
You guys r truly pathetic. Keep making excuses and giving no respect or credit. Have fun watching Flacco in the Superbowl.

Hey **** did you not read my post? I will not suck Joe's tiny little rod like you queers but yea he has been money!

Go Niners!

jdehoff83
01-21-2013, 02:21 PM
You guys r truly pathetic. Keep making excuses and giving no respect or credit. Have fun watching Flacco in the Superbowl.
Dont know whats worse a qb having to tell people he is elite or a rat fan coming on a Steelers forum demanding respect. Pretty pathetic. Keep riding that plunger handle.. go niners

DBR96A
01-21-2013, 03:29 PM
Lemme give people some advice: If it sounds like a discussion that Seahawk fans/sympathizers would have after Super Bowl XL, then it's probably not worth discussing, because you wouldn't want to hear the truth, and you wouldn't be able to handle the truth any better than they would.

jpele
01-21-2013, 04:47 PM
Goodell loves the Ravens. Loves the city of Baltimore. Loves his bromance with Ray Lewis.

What's even more pathetic, is the Rooney's sit there and take it.

Really, then why does Roger spend so much time in the owners suite at Gilette stadium ? I personally believe the Rooney's do certain things just because they know it gets under your skin.

Nolrog
01-21-2013, 08:32 PM
No, people are just stupid

Can't disagree there.

BlitzburghRockCity
01-21-2013, 09:17 PM
I'm surprised we haven't had a visit from Joe Flacco round here since this past weekend...been waiting for it.

I will never ride Flacco's jock like the Ratbirds have been this year. Up until now you guys griped and complained because he couldn't win the big one, now you say he's the best thing ever. **** that!

We know Ben is great and we appreciate the 3 Super Bowls and 2 Wins he's helped lead us too... but he's not perfect and we certainly don't drool all over him like he's a god.

RIVERS OF STEEL
01-21-2013, 10:20 PM
Absolutely. How else you gonna splain this coming match-up. Hey, were are they playing?

USMC607
01-21-2013, 11:00 PM
I'm not going to go too far about the game being totally fixed... Because im sure there are as many players,coaches on the field that can't be bought out. But i'm sure some players, coaches, and refs that can be bought. But i dont know how hard it would be to throw a game and make it look like an accident or a screwed up play.

I would say there is a good chance there are some shady things that go on in the NFL that determines a few things, maybe a team gets a call here and there and it might not be throwing the game completely but at least trying to give the team you want to win as much of a chance to do it as possible.

In the end no one will ever know for sure unless people step forward and admit to it... Until then all we can do is be conspiracy theorist and see things like the douche-bag brothers Superbowl or Bettis going to the SB in his hometown and winning it in his last season, Etc Etc.

I however will not lose sleep over a conspiracy theory.

USMC607
01-21-2013, 11:01 PM
Absolutely. Hey, were are they playing?

I dk if your serious but its in New Orleans

DBR96A
01-21-2013, 11:05 PM
I personally believe the Rooney's do certain things just because they know it gets under your skin.

To the owners go the spoils. The Rooneys can do whatever the **** they want, and people can either kiss their asses or go find another team to cheer for.

RIVERS OF STEEL
01-21-2013, 11:20 PM
I dk if your serious but its in New Orleans

I'm serious. If we aren't in it to win it then I ain't followin. New Orleans eh. IDKT.

LatrobePA
01-21-2013, 11:22 PM
NFL is a business made for entertainment, sure it's tweaked to keep the fans involved!

steelcity73
01-21-2013, 11:27 PM
I've always wondered about the officiating side of the NFL and how much influence does goodell have on them. Since the guy is the judge, jury and executioner when it comes to the players who's to say he doesn't put his stamp on the officials as well. One call that still has me blowing a gasket was the call on Keisel in the last bengals game for excessive celebration or whatever the lame *** call was after the sack. I know it didn't effect the outcome of the game, but that was just a bullshit call and I have to wonder if goodell didn't send a memo out to the officiating crew prior to the game reminding them who was the boss. IMO finding out the officiating had been in some instances swayed to favor the certain outcome of games, would not surprise me one bit!

steelchamp204
01-22-2013, 12:04 AM
I'm surprised we haven't had a visit from Joe Flacco round here since this past weekend...been waiting for it.

I will never ride Flacco's jock like the Ratbirds have been this year. Up until now you guys griped and complained because he couldn't win the big one, now you say he's the best thing ever. **** that!

We know Ben is great and we appreciate the 3 Super Bowls and 2 Wins he's helped lead us too... but he's not perfect and we certainly don't drool all over him like he's a god.

Noone said Flacco is the best thing ever, just giving the dude his props is all. Ill stick by my statement next season also that a lot of sport websites will put Flacco ahead of Ben now. It might not seem right due to ben having more jewerly right now. But it is a NOW society. Right now Joe has been outperforming him a little bit. It ****ing sucks, but its the truth.

LatrobePA
01-22-2013, 12:08 AM
Joe Flacco has squirrel tails for eyebrows!

I did say he was playing at elite level, I did say he has gotten his team to the SB. He has, I still hate the bastard and the ravens but dammit you have to admit!

Real Deal Steel
01-22-2013, 03:51 PM
Flacco isn't elite by any strecth. But his O-line is playing the best that I've ever seen them play. Which allows Flacco not to panic and make the stupid play. That's the only difference I'm seeing. He's the same old Flacco he's always been.

NeilPatrickBanana
01-22-2013, 04:28 PM
Flacco isn't elite by any strecth. But his O-line is playing the best that I've ever seen them play. Which allows Flacco not to panic and make the stupid play. That's the only difference I'm seeing.He's the same old Flacco he's always been.


blinded by the hate

HUNT4SEVEN
01-22-2013, 08:08 PM
My Grand Dad told me in the 70's that ALL sports are fixed, i didn't believe him back then but i do now...

Crash
01-22-2013, 09:20 PM
What timing!

http://www.footballzebras.com/2013/01/20/6711/

LatrobePA
01-22-2013, 10:34 PM
What timing!

http://www.footballzebras.com/2013/01/20/6711/

I'm sure he's a ravens fan too! lol

SnakeEyes43
01-23-2013, 01:15 PM
Flacco will be put in the elite class if he wins a SB, whether we want to admit it or not. That is, until he posts another .034 QBR again.

NYCsteelersfan
01-24-2013, 06:28 PM
Anyone who witnessed the official's reversal and the explanation for the reversal of Troy Polamalu's interception of Peyton Manning's pass in the 2005 playoffs knows that games in the NFL are definitely manipulated.

Crash
01-24-2013, 07:19 PM
The Ben "fumble" which wasn't a tuck rule in New York this season ranks up there also.

jdehoff83
01-25-2013, 08:30 AM
blinded by the hate
Its not hate its the truth. Flacco is not good under pressure. Most of this season he has stayed clean. Their line is really helping him out

LatrobePA
01-25-2013, 10:46 AM
Flacco has been under pressure all season long dude! I hate the SOB but why is it so hard for people out here to admit he's playing great football right now? He just got done beating the 2 very best QB's enroute to the SB!!

NYCsteelersfan
01-25-2013, 11:38 AM
Does that mean Sanchez beat Brady in the playoffs? Or did the Jets beat the Patriots. Flacco beat no one. The Ravens did. They have very good receivers. A very good running back. A decent o-line, and a play-making defense. Flacco has had a passer rating of 90 or better only once in five seasons, and his completion percentage is barely over 60. Have the standards for "elite" fallen off that much? If people call Flacco elite, what do you call all the QBs in the league that are twice the quarterback that he is?

Clevelandsux
01-26-2013, 04:09 AM
Well you know a lot of people think sb xl was fixed. As an outsider, I could see there point. However Seattle did not play well enough to win. But I agree the 05 playoff vs indy had me believing it was fixed. The officials did everything in there power to give the 14-2 colts that game. But they couldn't. And after watching john fox single handedly lose the Denver-Baltimore playoff game makes me wonder. I'm going out on a limb, ravens are winning the sb. I hope I'm wrong.

TarlsQtr
01-26-2013, 11:13 AM
A dumb thread. It would take 100's of people in on the conspiracy to fix football and only a single pissed off or honest person among them to blow the lid off the entire thing.

Stick to watching the skies for black helicopters.

strummerfan
01-26-2013, 11:18 AM
A dumb thread. It would take 100's of people in on the conspiracy to fix football and only a single pissed off or honest person among them to blow the lid off the entire thing.

Stick to watching the skies for black helicopters.


Ding ding ding
We have a winner!

TarlsQtr
01-26-2013, 11:32 AM
Goodell loves the Ravens. Loves the city of Baltimore. Loves his bromance with Ray Lewis.

What's even more pathetic, is the Rooney's sit there and take it.

I suppose we could go through every post about football being fixed and rip it apart but this will do.

So, Goodell loves the Ravens and is even fixing the league to get them a Super Bowl yet he has allowed the Steelers to win two on his watch? Some great critical thinking on display in this thread.

Skip football on Sundays and instead watch your huge collection of Wrestlemania DVDs (which, ironically, you probably think is real).

Please think before you type. A keyboard is a deadly weapon in the wrong hands.

NYCsteelersfan
01-26-2013, 11:43 AM
A dumb thread. It would take 100's of people in on the conspiracy to fix football and only a single pissed off or honest person among them to blow the lid off the entire thing.

Stick to watching the skies for black helicopters.

They count on millions of idiots believing that it actually "takes 100s of people to fix football." All it takes is a few officials making certain calls in order to manipulate a game. Understand the difference between manipulation and outright fixing. Anyone who saw the reversal of the Polamalu interception in the 2005 playoffs knows that the officials were trying to manipulate the game. And as Crash pointed out, the game versus the Giants after Hurricane Sandy was also clearly being manipulated by the officials. Anyone who can see those type of calls made by the officials and just brush it off as poor officiating is a moron.

coldrolled
01-26-2013, 11:46 AM
A dumb thread. It would take 100's of people in on the conspiracy to fix football and only a single pissed off or honest person among them to blow the lid off the entire thing.

Stick to watching the skies for black helicopters.

Holding calls and Pass Interference can change games quickly... 5 striped guys could change the game anytime they want.. you could call holding on every play.
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TarlsQtr
01-26-2013, 01:55 PM
They count on millions of idiots believing that it actually "takes 100s of people to fix football."

Here is the quote from the original poster:


I hate to say it but, sometimes I wonder if football is fixed.. I mean it seams like they wanted to harbough brother to square off and they are.. Lewis retiring.. the whole this seams fishy.. Tom Brady went limp.. what gives.. hasn't done it all year.. and I won't even bring up that long pass in the Denver Game.. So what do you all think??

What he is saying is that the league set up a situation where the Harbaugh brothers would be playing in the Super Bowl. Yes, that would take hundreds of refs, players, assorted NFL staff, etc. to pull off. The OP even implies that the long pass in the Denver game was part of a huge conspiracy.


All it takes is a few officials making certain calls in order to manipulate a game. Understand the difference between manipulation and outright fixing.

Please read. Is the title of this thread "Are Select Football Games Manipulated?" No, he asks if football is FIXED.


Anyone who saw the reversal of the Polamalu interception in the 2005 playoffs knows that the officials were trying to manipulate the game.

LOL Perhaps if you ask ONLY Steeler fans. I suspect that a vast majority of unbiased football fans would say that it was just a terrible call. Not every bad call is a direct attack on the Steelers. Again, step away from the black helicopter.


And as Crash pointed out, the game versus the Giants after Hurricane Sandy was also clearly being manipulated by the officials.

Excuse me if I do not take Crash's endorsement of your position as very convincing. BTW, who WON that game?


Anyone who can see those type of calls made by the officials and just brush it off as poor officiating is a moron.

LOL Whatever. And anyone who sees Goodell hiding behind every call against the Steelers is a nutjob.

TarlsQtr
01-26-2013, 02:04 PM
Holding calls and Pass Interference can change games quickly... 5 striped guys could change the game anytime they want.. you could call holding on every play.
.

Well, let's use your scenario to illustrate the examples used above by NYCSteelerfan.

He uses the Steeler playoff victory against the Colts in 2005 and the Giants game after Sandy.

First, the Steelers won both games. Talk about pi$$ poor examples.

Second, why didn't the refs just call holding on more calls to guarantee the win? As you said, you can call holding on every play and justify it. Why didn't they?

And again, this thread is about fixing a season. Let's say you have one crew "manipulating" games. Under whose direction? What good would it do unless other crews, players, and NFL officials were in on achieving a seasonal outcome? Crews do not stick with single teams, so how could just a single crew manipulate results for or against a team? The answer is they cannot. It would take virtually the entire officiating cadre to pull that off and escort the Ravens into the Super Bowl.

coldrolled
01-26-2013, 03:01 PM
Well, let's use your scenario to illustrate the examples used above by NYCSteelerfan.

He uses the Steeler playoff victory against the Colts in 2005 and the Giants game after Sandy.

First, the Steelers won both games. Talk about pi$$ poor examples.

Second, why didn't the refs just call holding on more calls to guarantee the win? As you said, you can call holding on every play and justify it. Why didn't they?

And again, this thread is about fixing a season. Let's say you have one crew "manipulating" games. Under whose direction? What good would it do unless other crews, players, and NFL officials were in on achieving a seasonal outcome? Crews do not stick with single teams, so how could just a single crew manipulate results for or against a team? The answer is they cannot. It would take virtually the entire officiating cadre to pull that off and escort the Ravens into the Super Bowl.

It is a crazy topic... in the SB with the Cards. I think it was hartwig rolling on his back and got a holding call for a safety on the one play. the announcers were a bit confused too. but 9 points later the game was closer.

who knows. the refs just suck... plus they have way to much to look for.

Crash
01-26-2013, 03:14 PM
And anyone who sees Goodell hiding behind every call against the Steelers is a nutjob.

Ever call? No.

The fact that he has a known friendship with Ray Lewis? Certainly explains a lot in regards to the Steelers and Ravens.

You can't possibly think it was mere coincidence, that Ben's BS suspension was 4 games, and that the 4th game was Baltimore at Pittsburgh where Ben was 6-1 against them at that time.

LevonKirkland99
01-26-2013, 04:05 PM
No Football is not fixed. Teams with heart and determination go to the SB. Our team is staying home thanks to Tomlin

TarlsQtr
01-26-2013, 06:31 PM
who knows. the refs just suck... plus they have way to much to look for.

That is a comment I can agree with 100 percent.

As far as I am concerned, the entire brouhaha over the replacement refs was a farce. They sucked, but did not suck any worse than then regulars. Their calls were just under twice the scrutiny from ESPN and the media because they were not the "real" refs. (And also because ESPN and the media will always side with a union.)

TarlsQtr
01-26-2013, 06:43 PM
Ever call? No.

The fact that he has a known friendship with Ray Lewis? Certainly explains a lot in regards to the Steelers and Ravens.

Really? Then why have the Steelers won two SBs (and been to 3) under Goodell? The Ravens have been to zero until this year even after playing the Steelers in the playoffs multiple times and the Steelers winning.

There is absolutely no evidence that they have beaten the Steelers the last couple of years for any other reason than they played better football.


You can't possibly think it was mere coincidence, that Ben's BS suspension was 4 games, and that the 4th game was Baltimore at Pittsburgh where Ben was 6-1 against them at that time.

Considering that many in the football world were predicting 6-8 game suspension for Ben, why not?

Goodell did us a favor. If it was just a slap on the hand, Ben probably would still be a douche instead of turning himself around and becoming a human being (or at least smart enough to pretend to be one).

And if it is fixed, then wouldn't it make you pretty stupid to waste your time watching Goodell's version of WWF wrestling?

NYCsteelersfan
01-29-2013, 02:57 PM
Football games, like NBA, MLB and NHL games are MANIPULATED. There has been numerous cases in professional sports history. It really doesn't matter if the the Steelers ended up winning the game against the Colts in the playoffs in 2005. That doesn't change the fact that there was indeed a manipulation of the game in order to give the Colts a chance to win when they were clearly being blown out. The Polamalu interception would've been the end of the game for the Colts. Instead, they scored and would've won had it not been for a shoestring tackle by Roethlisberger. And the game would've at least gone into overtime had Vanderjagt not missed a game-tying 46 yard field goal.

Anyone who thinks that the ref in that game who went under the hood (because replay did exist at that time) actually MISTAKENLY believed that Polamalu never had possession of that football, rather than having intercepted it, running and fumbling, is an absolute fool.

It also doesn't matter if the Steelers beat the Giants after Hurricane Sandy. The refs clearly made call after call in order to keep the Giants in the game. Any objective fan could clearly see it. I had friends who are Giants fans laughing about the Roethlisberger fumble.

Also, go tell Raider fans that the ref made a "mistake" when he made up a rule on the spot in order to save Brady from a fumble, which ended up costing the Raiders the win.

You're simply arguing semantics if you want to quibble over whether "fixing" games is the same as "manipulating" games.

LatrobePA
01-29-2013, 03:03 PM
See this thread for answers: http://www.steeleraddicts.com/forum/showthread.php/37274-And-HERE-is-your-Super-Bowl-Controversy

TarlsQtr
01-30-2013, 11:08 AM
Football games, like NBA, MLB and NHL games are MANIPULATED. There has been numerous cases in professional sports history. It really doesn't matter if the the Steelers ended up winning the game against the Colts in the playoffs in 2005. That doesn't change the fact that there was indeed a manipulation of the game in order to give the Colts a chance to win when they were clearly being blown out. The Polamalu interception would've been the end of the game for the Colts. Instead, they scored and would've won had it not been for a shoestring tackle by Roethlisberger. And the game would've at least gone into overtime had Vanderjagt not missed a game-tying 46 yard field goal.

Again, this would be something that the entire NFL officiating crew (not to mention people in the NFL offices) would have to be in on. It is virtually impossible to keep such a secret from getting out. All it would take is one pi$$ed off former referee/employee to blow it up sky high.


Anyone who thinks that the ref in that game who went under the hood (because replay did exist at that time) actually MISTAKENLY believed that Polamalu never had possession of that football, rather than having intercepted it, running and fumbling, is an absolute fool.

All I know is that I have only heard diehard Steeler fans make the claim that the refs were throwing the game to/manipulating the game. (Funny how the same people never cry "manipulation" when the Steelers get the benefit of poor calls). There was also no huge outcry after the Colts game, other than from Steeler fans.


It also doesn't matter if the Steelers beat the Giants after Hurricane Sandy. The refs clearly made call after call in order to keep the Giants in the game. Any objective fan could clearly see it. I had friends who are Giants fans laughing about the Roethlisberger fumble.

And how many neutral observers have made your "clear" observation?


Also, go tell Raider fans that the ref made a "mistake" when he made up a rule on the spot in order to save Brady from a fumble, which ended up costing the Raiders the win.

Again, poor calls are different than purposely putting your thumb on the scale.


You're simply arguing semantics if you want to quibble over whether "fixing" games is the same as "manipulating" games.

Perhaps you should look up the definition of "semantics" because you obviously do not know what it means. Ensuring the result of a game, "fixing" (the OP even went to the point of implying that the Denver DB allowed the late TD against Baltimore), is different than steering a game in a certain direction, "manipulating."

And frankly, there is very little evidence of even that. Referees are human. I DO believe that they get caught up in the excitement of a game and subconsciously make incorrect calls. That said, to imply that they do it consciously and collaboratively (which would have to come with the NFL's blessing) is unsupported. Furthermore, if you think otherwise, then you have to ask yourself why you invest Sunday afternoons every fall to watching highly paid roller derby queens.

TarlsQtr
01-30-2013, 11:19 AM
See this thread for answers: http://www.steeleraddicts.com/forum/showthread.php/37274-And-HERE-is-your-Super-Bowl-Controversy

That is far different than collaboratively making in game calls to manipulate the outcome of a game.

Does the NFL inconsistently make disciplinary decisions? Yep. Do they do it based on who you are? Sure.

However, that is far different than instructing officials to steer games in certain directions. One is the NFL protecting its image. The other calls the integrity of the entire league into question and again raises the question of why you even watch.

LatrobePA
01-30-2013, 11:22 AM
That is far different than collaboratively making in game calls to manipulate the outcome of a game.

Does the NFL inconsistently make disciplinary decisions? Yep. Do they do it based on who you are? Sure.

However, that is far different than instructing officials to steer games in certain directions. One is the NFL protecting its image. The other calls the integrity of the entire league into question and again raises the question of why you even watch.

Is the NFL fixed? Yep! Is the WWE fixed and fake, Yep!! It's all for the entertainment value, Goodell started planning this Hairball SB in week one!

TarlsQtr
01-30-2013, 11:30 AM
Is the NFL fixed? Yep! Is the WWE fixed and fake, Yep!! It's all for the entertainment value, Goodell started planning this Hairball SB in week one!

It is OK to believe it but do you really? Why will you watch next fall if the outcome of the season is already decided?

Do you ever brag to fans of other teams about the Steelers having six SBs? Why? According to you, they did not deserve those championships any more than Hulk Hogan deserved the WWF championship for 20 years.

This is what kills me. The "manipulation" and "fixing" ALWAYS goes in the direction of screwing the Steelers (just look at the examples given in this thread) when it is only common sense that the team with the MOST SUPER BOWL VICTORIES must have had it "fixed/manipulated" in their favor more than any other team. Is your favorite team having six fixed/manipulated championships something to be proud of?

LatrobePA
01-30-2013, 11:33 AM
It's not decided per say but certain teams get an extra few calls. 2001 pats team winning the SB and getting there with some help... Just saying its fishy!! Hell even Bens first SB win was fishy but us homers will never admit it!

BubbyBlister
01-30-2013, 09:37 PM
I think the NFL has influence on who they want in the Superbowl. Sure as heck looked like they was pulling for Manning in 05 to get to the Supebowl but we ended up winning even with the bad calls. As for this year they pretty much wanted the Harbaugh bowl and specially Balt to be in it since Ray announced his retirement. No way do you let Flaco throw a hailmary with 30 seconds left on his own 30 with no timeouts needing a td to win and not just a field goal. Not to mention think it was second or third down and there only hope.

As for fixed by the bookies/spread I'll give you a example. Remember the Steelers vs Giants game a few years back ? Remember Troy grabbing that fumble and running it in for a td the last couple seconds left in the game. It was a td for sure and couldn't be argued. it was eventually took of the board from a call down from someone up stairs. Steelers still win game by 2 points so the fans didn't get upset and Giants turned out to still be a good bet with the spread.

NYCsteelersfan
01-30-2013, 09:53 PM
Again, this would be something that the entire NFL officiating crew (not to mention people in the NFL offices) would have to be in on. It is virtually impossible to keep such a secret from getting out. All it would take is one pi$$ed off former referee/employee to blow it up sky high.

You mean like when Tim Donaghy came out and said that individuals from the NBA front office would call the officiating crew of a game and tell them which team they wanted to win? I suppose you said exactly what the sports media said, and what blind fans regurgitated: "oh he's just lying because he got caught." Hence, your assertion that "one pissed off former referee/employee" being capable of blowing it up sky high is worthless.




All I know is that I have only heard diehard Steeler fans make the claim that the refs were throwing the game to/manipulating the game. (Funny how the same people never cry "manipulation" when the Steelers get the benefit of poor calls). There was also no huge outcry after the Colts game, other than from Steeler fans.

That's because you're a Steelers fan on a Steelers forum. Other fans of other teams see the same manipulation every season during certain games. You're just not in contact with them.




And how many neutral observers have made your "clear" observation?

Like I clearly said, I have friends who are Giants fans who were laughing about the absurdity of the calls in that game following Hurricane Sandy.



Again, poor calls are different than purposely putting your thumb on the scale.

Do you really believe your own garbage? Are you that desperate to believe that professional sports aren't manipulated that you're willing to spew nonsense? That's really sad. To say that the "tuck rule" was a poor call is like saying Lincoln's assassination was an accident. It's simply absurd. The "tuck rule" was completely misinterpreted on the spot, in the middle of a game, in order to justify giving the ball back to New England after their quarterback clearly and completely fumbled.




Perhaps you should look up the definition of "semantics" because you obviously do not know what it means. Ensuring the result of a game, "fixing" (the OP even went to the point of implying that the Denver DB allowed the late TD against Baltimore), is different than steering a game in a certain direction, "manipulating."

Perhaps you should better understand the term "sports fixing" before recommending someone look up the definition of semantics. A game can be fixed without the result being completely ensured. This includes point shaving or running up the score in order to manipulate spreads. I don't care what the OP was alluding to. My point is that professional sports are indeed fixed/manipulated, whether it be to a complete or partially predetermined outcome.

Once again, you're arguing semantics because you're not even arguing that professional sports are not fixed, however, they may be partially fixed. You're arguing that professional sports are in no way, shape, or form fixed.


And frankly, there is very little evidence of even that. Referees are human. I DO believe that they get caught up in the excitement of a game and subconsciously make incorrect calls. That said, to imply that they do it consciously and collaboratively (which would have to come with the NFL's blessing) is unsupported. Furthermore, if you think otherwise, then you have to ask yourself why you invest Sunday afternoons every fall to watching highly paid roller derby queens.

And that's exactly why the fixing of sports is done and will always be done. A majority of fans will always choose to put on blinders in order to maintain in their minds the purity of their favorite form of entertainment, rather than face reality and possibly lose interest in that which brings them hours of entertainment. They count on people like you.

NYCsteelersfan
01-30-2013, 10:00 PM
As for fixed by the bookies/spread I'll give you a example. Remember the Steelers vs Giants game a few years back ? Remember Troy grabbing that fumble and running it in for a td the last couple seconds left in the game. It was a td for sure and couldn't be argued. it was eventually took of the board from a call down from someone up stairs. Steelers still win game by 2 points so the fans didn't get upset and Giants turned out to still be a good bet with the spread.

Excellent example. I completely forgot about that one. It was so blatant that Mike Francesca, a diehard Giants fan, talked about how it was done for point spread purposes. And it's rare for the sports media to admit something like that, but there was simply no other explanation for it.

BubbyBlister
01-30-2013, 10:12 PM
Excellent example. I completely forgot about that one. It was so blatant that Mike Francesca, a diehard Giants fan, talked about how it was done for point spread purposes. And it's rare for the sports media to admit something like that, but there was simply no other explanation for it. Thanks man and also thought you last post was very honest and intelligent. Truth may hurt but it's still the truth and we shouldn't turn our heads away from it.

NYCsteelersfan
01-30-2013, 10:54 PM
Thanks man and also thought you last post was very honest and intelligent. Truth may hurt but it's still the truth and we shouldn't turn our heads away from it.

No problem. And it does hurt many, especially in this case. Telling avid sports fans that sports are manipulated is like telling a 4 year old that there is no Santa.

I'll admit, after the "tuck rule game," I became less of an NFL fan. And after the 2005 playoffs, I became even less of a fan. I still watch. It still entertains me. But I just don't see the pureness in the sport that I did when I was younger. And I understand that certain plays in certain games are in fact manipulated in an attempt to bring about a specific outcome, or sometimes to simply make the game closer and "more entertaining." It is what it is. I'm not going to lie to myself and ignore the obvious simply to enjoy the sport more than I do.

NYCsteelersfan
02-04-2013, 03:15 PM
Ray Lewis not suspended. Halftime spread had the Ravens giving 7. Lights go out and 49ers score 25 points. People who think the NFL is manipulated also wear tin foil hats. Sure.

Crash
02-04-2013, 03:18 PM
No call on Ed Reed's offsides.

No call on the 4th down hold.

Roger Goodell offers Ray Lewis a job before he's even done playing.

All coincidence I'm sure.

LatrobePA
02-04-2013, 03:19 PM
1374

NYCsteelersfan
02-04-2013, 03:26 PM
No call on Ed Reed's offsides.

No call on the 4th down hold.

Roger Goodell offers Ray Lewis a job before he's even done playing.

All coincidence I'm sure.

Of course. All coincidence or bad calls. It always is.


1374

And to think the Rooneys happily went along with the Roethlisberger suspension when he wasn't even charged. Ray Lewis connected to a PED and there's not a single peep from the league.

LatrobePA
02-04-2013, 03:28 PM
And to think the Rooneys happily went along with the Roethlisberger suspension when he wasn't even charged. Ray Lewis connected to a PED and there's not a single peep from the league.

Exactly... But who's paying attention??

NeilPatrickBanana
02-04-2013, 03:29 PM
If you complain about "sports fixing" and brag about Steelers last 2 super bowls... then you are a hypocrite

Crash
02-04-2013, 03:30 PM
You mean the Super Bowl where Larry Fitz dropped a TD and they gave it to him?

That one?

NeilPatrickBanana
02-04-2013, 03:32 PM
You mean the Super Bowl where Larry Fitz dropped a TD and they gave it to him?

That one?

You mean the one where Holmes 2nd foot came off the ground before possession?

We can do this all day

LatrobePA
02-04-2013, 03:33 PM
If you complain about "sports fixing" and brag about Steelers last 2 super bowls... then you are a hypocrite

Bens first SB victory was certainly nothing to brag about, that game was as rigged as this one! What a perfect story, Bettis playing his last game is his home city, too many tickets to sell with that story line!

Crash
02-04-2013, 03:38 PM
You mean the one where Holmes 2nd foot came off the ground before possession

Actually it didn't. You can clearly see the toe tap on the close up replay before they show Ben with his linemen.

NYCsteelersfan
02-04-2013, 03:40 PM
Bens first SB victory was certainly nothing to brag about, that game was as rigged as this one! What a perfect story, Bettis playing his last game is his home city, too many tickets to sell with that story line!

That was a great storyline. The league much preferred a "shootout" between the Seahawks and what would've been Payton Manning's first Super Bowl appearance, and they tried their hardest to make that the storyline by reversing what was clearly an interception by Polamalu.

SnakeEyes43
02-04-2013, 03:42 PM
1374

Not as good as Ben's cover, haha.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_y2aCYwBdjHE/S-P61kh50FI/AAAAAAAAAaM/yzAXLHRl7No/s1600/Big+Ben+SI+Cover.jpg

LatrobePA
02-04-2013, 03:42 PM
That was a great storyline. The league much preferred a "shootout" between the Seahawks and what would've been Payton Manning's first Super Bowl appearance, and they tried their hardest to make that the storyline by reversing what was clearly an interception by Polamalu.

Yep, spot on...

Crash
02-04-2013, 03:44 PM
That SI article was a joke. Nothing but fairy tales and lies from Ben Hater John Steigerwald and former Roethlisberger "friends" who had their gravy train cut off.

NeilPatrickBanana
02-04-2013, 03:44 PM
Actually it didn't. You can clearly see the toe tap on the close up replay before they show Ben with his linemen.

oh don't get me wrong... It was a TD in my book. Just highlighting how you view every play through a perspective. The Fitzgerald 1st TD was a catch too. You would probably need to know the rules a little better... which I'm sure you don't

NeilPatrickBanana
02-04-2013, 03:45 PM
That SI article was a joke. Nothing but fairy tales and lies from Ben Hater John Steigerwald and former Roethlisberger "friends" who had their gravy train cut off.

Do you live your life this way? Or only the Steelers?

NYCsteelersfan
02-04-2013, 03:45 PM
http://www.azcentral.com/closeup/articles/0203spt-closeupholmestd.html

Photo number 10 and 12. Yeah sure. Holmes didn't have his feet down. F#&king trolls on this forum have gotten out of hand.

Crash
02-04-2013, 03:45 PM
The ball hit the ground. He did not maintain possession throughout the catch.

If Tomlin would have challenged it, he would have won it.

LatrobePA
02-04-2013, 03:45 PM
Not as good as Ben's cover, haha.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_y2aCYwBdjHE/S-P61kh50FI/AAAAAAAAAaM/yzAXLHRl7No/s1600/Big+Ben+SI+Cover.jpg

Lol....

NeilPatrickBanana
02-04-2013, 03:49 PM
The ball hit the ground. He did not maintain possession throughout the catch.

If Tomlin would have challenged it, he would have won it.

Would you like a link to NFL rules at the time?

Crash
02-04-2013, 03:50 PM
Do you live your life this way? Or only the Steelers?


I deal in facts. Not fiction. The jag off at the Cabana Bar used this 15 minutes of fame for months.

Needs to worry about how he runs his bar and risks customers lives, before he starts on Ben.

Another bar came out and stated the SI story about Ben in their place was 100 percent wrong.

NeilPatrickBanana
02-04-2013, 03:54 PM
I deal in facts. Not fiction. The jag off at the Cabana Bar used this 15 minutes of fame for months.

Needs to worry about how he runs his bar and risks customers lives, before he starts on Ben.

Another bar came out and stated the SI story about Ben in their place was 100 percent wrong.

You most certainly do not deal in facts. You deal in hypothesis, theory, and conjecture

Crash
02-04-2013, 03:56 PM
You most certainly do not deal in facts. You deal in hypothesis, theory, and conjecture

No, that's what you do.

That what idiot Yinzers do.

NeilPatrickBanana
02-04-2013, 06:03 PM
No, that's what you do.

That what idiot Yinzers do.

Rooney's meddling is a theory. You can't prove it. Facts regarding the subject do not exist. Using quotes, and personnel hirings, and play calling is just a mismash of conjecture

Do you not know the difference, it seems weird that you would stubbornly make an argument that could be disproved easily with a dictionary

Crash
02-04-2013, 06:05 PM
Rooney fired Arians.

8-8.

steelchamp204
02-04-2013, 06:23 PM
It is Rooney's fault there was no flag on the last play.

NeilPatrickBanana
02-04-2013, 06:23 PM
Rooney fired Arians.

8-8.

do you think that fact supports your theory?

Cam Cameron took the Ravens to the playoffs 5 straight years
Took them to 2 AFC championship games
And should've gone to 1 super bowl

They fired him mid season while the were leading the division...

so what?
coaches get fired.

How many times did Arians put a top 10 scoring offense on the field in his tenure? All the other teams with "franchise QBs" were regulars in the top 10, and Arians was always sitting outside with his guy.

NeilPatrickBanana
02-04-2013, 06:24 PM
It is Rooney's fault there was no flag on the last play.

:lol:

It's Rooney's fault Rahim Moore played that pass so horribly

Crash
02-04-2013, 07:19 PM
How many times did Arians put a top 10 scoring offense on the field in his tenure? All the other teams with "franchise QBs" were regulars in the top 10, and Arians was always sitting outside with his guy.

We don't try to score points, we get a 2nd half lead and we try and run the ball.

With new kickoff rules? If you don't force turnovers? When you have to go 75-80 yards for most of your points? This is what happens.

We are too worried about time of possession and "resting" our defense.

NeilPatrickBanana
02-04-2013, 09:58 PM
We don't try to score points, we get a 2nd half lead and we try and run the ball.

With new kickoff rules? If you don't force turnovers? When you have to go 75-80 yards for most of your points? This is what happens.

We are too worried about time of possession and "resting" our defense.

oh look, another silly meme you believe, unsupported by facts

you know you can look up passing as a percent of plays called by quarter.

it's not surprising that a "believer" wouldn't bother to do research.

LevonKirkland99
02-04-2013, 11:30 PM
It is Rooney's fault there was no flag on the last play.

That corner wrapped Crabtree...and had a piece f his jersey...one of the worst non - calls I have ever seen in the Super Bowl!...

Root4Stlrs
02-04-2013, 11:57 PM
Excellent example. I completely forgot about that one. It was so blatant that Mike Francesca, a diehard Giants fan, talked about how it was done for point spread purposes. And it's rare for the sports media to admit something like that, but there was simply no other explanation for it.

Actually, they were playing the Chargers. That was the most confusing end of a game I have ever attended.

Real Deal Steel
02-05-2013, 10:21 PM
Super Bowl was rigged. Please go see post #68 in the thread, " How you gonna live with this ****". I lay it out.

LatrobePA
02-09-2013, 10:09 PM
Cary Williams not fined for shoving ref in Super Bowl

By Marc Sessler

Published: February 09, 2013 at 2:26 PM PST

Modified: February 09, 2013 at 2:30 PM PST

Cary Williams insists he didn't intend to shove an official during Super Bowl XLVII , but anyone watching the game can't help but view the Baltimore Ravens cornerback as a fortunate soul for (a) not being penalized for his actions and (b) not being fined for them.

AFC spokesman Corry Rush confirmed to USA Today on Saturday that Williams will not be docked financially by the NFL for clearly pushing head linesman Steve Stelljes during an entanglement following Ed Reed 's second-quarter interception of San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick .

Williams explained to WJFK-FM this week that he was agitated after having his helmet ripped off on the play. That's understandable, but Mike Pereira, the FOX rules czar and former vice president of officiating, told SI.com's Peter King, "It should have merited an ejection. I don't know what went through the head linesman's mind, but the fact is you've got to eject for contact."

Instead of being booted, Williams stayed in the game and didn't miss a snap on defense. The rules regarding contact with an official are partly in place to protect referees -- there's no wiggle room -- making this non-call all the more bizarre.

Follow Marc Sessler on Twitter @MarcSesslerNFL .

teeceemadison
02-10-2013, 10:34 AM
http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/was-miller-held-jones-108-yard-kickoff-return

Duh....

teeceemadison
02-10-2013, 10:42 AM
http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae215/ftomasic1961/miller_bruce_2_zpsb17abca9.jpg

Speeed
02-10-2013, 10:48 AM
The Ravens have had nothing but luck the entireyear. Crap like this, dropped balls by the opposition, lobbing 50 yard bombs while the other team stands around game after game, injuries by the other team, etc. I am not sure the game is fixed, but they sure have had a boatload of stuff go there way.

Big T
02-10-2013, 11:25 AM
http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae215/ftomasic1961/miller_bruce_2_zpsb17abca9.jpg

I don't remember the last time I flipped out the way I did when I saw these holds as clear as day, live, and nothing was called. Sometimes it can be understandable when a ref doesn't see a hold when it's across the field, but when it is DIRECTLY in the line if the returner and without a doubt the reason there was a hole, it's absolutely pathetic.

LatrobePA
02-10-2013, 11:28 AM
I don't remember the last time I flipped out the way I did when I saw these holds as clear as day, live, and nothing was called. Sometimes it can be understandable when a ref doesn't see a hold when it's across the field, but when it is DIRECTLY in the line if the returner and without a doubt the reason there was a hole, it's absolutely pathetic.

Lol I thought I was the only one that saw this one! Two ravens holding one player and no flag!! This SB was so fn rigged!

Speeed
02-10-2013, 12:13 PM
How can they say there is no wiggle room? There is now. I remember Harbaugh grabbed a ref a few years back. Not a peep out of anyone. Imagine if Tomlin did that?


Cary Williams not fined for shoving ref in Super Bowl

By Marc Sessler

Published: February 09, 2013 at 2:26 PM PST

Modified: February 09, 2013 at 2:30 PM PST

Cary Williams insists he didn't intend to shove an official during Super Bowl XLVII , but anyone watching the game can't help but view the Baltimore Ravens cornerback as a fortunate soul for (a) not being penalized for his actions and (b) not being fined for them.

AFC spokesman Corry Rush confirmed to USA Today on Saturday that Williams will not be docked financially by the NFL for clearly pushing head linesman Steve Stelljes during an entanglement following Ed Reed 's second-quarter interception of San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick .

Williams explained to WJFK-FM this week that he was agitated after having his helmet ripped off on the play. That's understandable, but Mike Pereira, the FOX rules czar and former vice president of officiating, told SI.com's Peter King, "It should have merited an ejection. I don't know what went through the head linesman's mind, but the fact is you've got to eject for contact."

Instead of being booted, Williams stayed in the game and didn't miss a snap on defense. The rules regarding contact with an official are partly in place to protect referees -- there's no wiggle room -- making this non-call all the more bizarre.

Follow Marc Sessler on Twitter @MarcSesslerNFL .

LatrobePA
02-10-2013, 12:16 PM
How can they say there is no wiggle room? There is now. I remember Harbaugh grabbed a ref a few years back. Not a peep out of anyone. Imagine if Tomlin did that?

Bellicheat was hit hard when he touched a replacement ref. this ******* pushed one and not even a slap on the wrist!

Crash
02-10-2013, 12:19 PM
Goodell loves the Ravens. He's been trying to get them a SB win since 2010 and finally did it.

The other clubs should be ashamed for allowing him to decide games and championships.

The fact that they changed the criteria for officials this season so Bolger could work the Super Bowl reeks of corruption.

teeceemadison
02-10-2013, 02:01 PM
If you click the link to the article, itshow more pix showin the CONTINUOUS hold during the whole play....plenty of opportunities to throw the flag.........

BillsPackers
02-13-2013, 09:30 PM
yup.....2005 was definitely fixed.....seattle vs the steelers and the refs...worst officiating i've ever seen.. No reason why a qb who played as horribly as big ben should win that game..worst qb rating for a superbowl ever..


NFL had to give jerome his ring for his last RIDE what a joke

LatrobePA
02-13-2013, 09:48 PM
Bill fudge packer is back... Yeeeeee haaaaaa!!