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LatrobePA
01-16-2013, 03:03 PM
Thoughts?






Colbert: Rainey lost Steelers’ ‘trust’

By Alan Robinson
Steelers Reporter

Published: Wednesday, January 16, 2013, 2:32 p.m.
Updated 12 minutes ago

The Steelers did not know they couldn‘t officially waive running back Chris Rainey for three more weeks when they cut him last week, but general manager Kevin Colbert said Wednesday that wouldn‘t have influenced their decision.

“That decision has been made,” Colbert said during an interview with a small group of reporters. “He had lost the trust of the organization.”

Rainey was cut a week ago following his arrest in Gainesville, Fla., on a charge he slapped his girl friend. Rainey also got into trouble over a text message he sent to a woman in 2010.

Even if Rainey had returned next season, Colbert strongly hinted there will be changes made at running back — a position he singled out for being unproductive. The Steelers ran for the second fewest yards in any season since 1978, and no back produced even 700 yards in an offense that was designed to re-emphasize the running game.

“(The production) was indicative of the talent at the position,” Colbert said. “They didn‘t produce the way we anticipated.”

Colbert also strongly hinted the Steelers won‘t sign any of their unrestricted free agents — a group that includes Keenan Lewis, Mike Wallace and Ramon Foster — before they go on the open market. One reason is such a market establishes a player‘s worth.

He said hinted the Steelers are unlikely to pin the franchise or transition tag on any player to retain him. “When you‘re 8-8, you don‘t have many franchise players,” he said.

During his 34-minute interview, Colbert referred often to the Steelers being an 8-8 team — a result he strongly hinted will require changes, some of them difficult ones such as contract terminations.

He said it is easy to get “mesmerized” after a team goes 12-4, as the Steelers did each of the previous two seasons, but that a “disappointing” season like this one requires moves to be made.

Not making the playoffs was “unacceptable,” he said.

Colbert also said:

• He didn‘t detect any tension between offensive coordinator Todd Haley and Ben Roethlisberger. Colbert, much like team president Art Rooney II, was more than happy with the way the offense produced before Roethlisberger got hurt midway through the season.

• The Steelers peaked when they beat the Bengals, Redskins and Giants in succession at midseason, but never played to that level again offensively or defensively.

• The blame for the 8-8 season largely falls upon him because he was the one who assembled the talent.

• Outside linebacker LaMarr Woodley‘s down season — he had only four sacks — was not a lack of effort, but rather a downfall in performance, with no single reason to blame.

• The Steelers have passed on a not insignificant numbers of players in past drafts because of character issues, including first-round picks.

• He is excited team executive and cap specialist Omar Khan remains among the candidates for the Jets‘ general manager‘s job, saying Khan is ready for such a job.

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steelersbabex25
01-16-2013, 03:05 PM
Damn....Colbert keeps it real.

Real Deal Steel
01-16-2013, 03:45 PM
If this be the case, then Colbert better draft his *** off in April.

Crash
01-16-2013, 03:48 PM
The Jets are supposed to name their GM tomorrow.

JollyRob68
01-16-2013, 03:49 PM
They need a youth movement and this includes coaches. You already know I feel it's time to promote Keith Butler and see his vision for the Defense. Tough decisions need to be made and should be made quickly.

Crash
01-16-2013, 03:50 PM
Butler isn't young.

Real Deal Steel
01-16-2013, 03:50 PM
I'm tired of Le Beau too.

If you put Mickey Mouse at one wide receiver position, and Donald Duck at the other wide receiver position, Le Beau will give both a 10 yard cushion. :rolleyes:

NeilPatrickBanana
01-16-2013, 03:54 PM
For me, this basically confirms the following :

1. Mike Wallace, Casey Hampton and Rashard Mendenhall are gone (I think Lewis remains a slim possibility to be re-signed if the market is too dumb to recognize his talent)
2. James Harrison will be cut

LatrobePA
01-16-2013, 03:55 PM
For me, this basically confirms the following :

1. Mike Wallace, Casey Hampton and Rashard Mendenhall are gone (I think Lewis remains a slim possibility to be re-signed if the market is too dumb to recognize his talent)
2. James Harrison will be cut

Sound right. I can also see Woodley and Troy being force to restructure.

Goodfrom55
01-16-2013, 04:15 PM
Does it make sense to entertain the thought of cutting Ike or having him restructure? He will be 33 in May and doesn't he count upwards of 10 million against the cap? Could resign Lewis over 5 years and minimize his cap impact this year.

If they released Hines Ward, they will certainly release Harrison, Hampton, Colon. And some high priced talent will certainly be asked (forced) to restructure.

USMC607
01-16-2013, 04:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjulNE4wKCc

Change....?????

NeilPatrickBanana
01-16-2013, 04:23 PM
Sound right. I can also see Woodley and Troy being force to restructure.

Ben, Timmons, Woodley, Ike, Troy must all restructure...

LatrobePA
01-16-2013, 04:24 PM
Ben, Timmons, Woodley, Ike, Troy must all restructure...

Sounds good...

Nolrog
01-16-2013, 05:15 PM
Sound right. I can also see Woodley and Troy being force to restructure.

In a restructure, the player doesn't lose any money. They just convert salary to signing bonus and spread that out over the remaining years of the contract. The player walks out of that restructure with a very large check.

LatrobePA
01-16-2013, 05:18 PM
In a restructure, the player doesn't lose any money. They just convert salary to signing bonus and spread that out over the remaining years of the contract. The player walks out of that restructure with a very large check.

Whatever it takes! This is the year of the **** hitting the fan. I like what Colbert is selling!!!

LatrobePA
01-16-2013, 05:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjulNE4wKCc

Change....?????

42 seconds I'll never get back! lol

Get7With7
01-16-2013, 05:55 PM
Anyone remember last week when Art Rooney II tried to sugar coat the Steelers' season and insisted they were as good as the other playoff teams?

Now Colbert comes in and basically says that's a bunch of bullshit (indirectly of course). He acknowledged that this team sucked, that talent was lacking in certain areas, and that there is nothing to be pleased with about going 8-8.

Yo, Art II - **** off and let Colbert be in charge of football operations. Pittsburgh doesn't want a Jerry Jones.

Real Deal Steel
01-16-2013, 06:22 PM
Whatever it takes! This is the year of the **** hitting the fan. I like what Colbert is selling!!!

Colbert is selling it because his *** is under a microscope now. hahahahaha. Told you guys that not making the playoffs is going to put pressure on Colbert and Tomlin now. And they need to be pressured to do better.

Crash
01-16-2013, 07:16 PM
Anyone remember last week when Art Rooney II tried to sugar coat the Steelers' season and insisted they were as good as the other playoff teams?

Now Colbert comes in and basically says that's a bunch of bullshit (indirectly of course). He acknowledged that this team sucked, that talent was lacking in certain areas, and that there is nothing to be pleased with about going 8-8.

Yo, Art II - **** off and let Colbert be in charge of football operations. Pittsburgh doesn't want a Jerry Jones.

Yep. Step back Art. They tried it your way, didn't work.

Black@Gold Forever32
01-16-2013, 09:39 PM
Colbert is selling it because his *** is under a microscope now. hahahahaha. Told you guys that not making the playoffs is going to put pressure on Colbert and Tomlin now. And they need to be pressured to do better.

Colbert's comments about being mesmerized about the teams success really ticks me off....What an idiot really and comments like that just proves that Colbert/Tomlin are feeling to comfortable with their job security.......This better be the best draft in Steelers history....lol

polamalu43
01-17-2013, 12:53 AM
Wallace gone
Mendenhall gone
Leftwich/Batch gone
Mundy gone
B Johnson gone
Harrison - asked to restructure - says no - gone and signs 3 year deal elsewhere
Sylvestor gone
Starks or Foster - one stays
Lewis - SIGNED (Taylor one more year then we have Lewis/Allen)
Foote - SIGNED one year
Hampton gone
Keisel - takes pay cut
Redman - tendered but other team takes him with no compensation for us
McLendon - SIGNED for 3 years
Legursky - tendered
Sanders - SIGNED for 3 years


Its gonna be an interesting and sad offseason for the Steeler faithful....next offseason will be worse as we start looking at Troy, Clark, Ike, Keisel

If we get Lewis signed we can take CB off priority list for this year. Gotta look for Safety, WR and LB.....RB can be Dwyer this year and I think we should target Lattimore by Round 4 and he will be our back in 2014

KemoTherapy
01-17-2013, 12:26 PM
The fact that Colbert didn't even know the rules about when he could release Rainey should cast a large shadow of doubt over his competence for the job,never mind the steady slip in performance from the team for the past 6 years. And don't quote records to me because many of those 12-4 years, like last year, were done with smoke and mirrors and weak schedules.

NeilPatrickBanana
01-17-2013, 12:37 PM
The fact that Colbert didn't even know the rules about when he could release Rainey should cast a large shadow of doubt over his competence for the job,never mind the steady slip in performance from the team for the past 6 years. And don't quote records to me because many of those 12-4 years, like last year, were done with smoke and mirrors and weak schedules.

Colbert knew the rules. Don't be ridiculous. It was a PR move. While the "behavior/incident/alleged crime" was fresh in the public, and the players minds, the release was announced.

Only an Idiot would think a guy with Colbert's tenure wouldn't know the "rules"

steelchamp204
01-17-2013, 01:19 PM
The issue I have here is, They need to resign Lewis. Maybe pay a little more than what he should be, but he has proven he can play cb in the nfl.

DBR96A
01-17-2013, 01:32 PM
Colbert's comments about being mesmerized about the teams success really ticks me off....What an idiot really and comments like that just proves that Colbert/Tomlin are feeling to comfortable with their job security.......This better be the best draft in Steelers history....lol

They ain't topping 1974.

Black@Gold Forever32
01-17-2013, 01:34 PM
They ain't topping 1974.

Swann, Lambert, Stallworth, Webster....I know....Just saying this is a very important draft coming up for the Steelers and really they need to make every pick count....This roster is in need of some young players that can make an impact....

LatrobePA
01-17-2013, 01:38 PM
A QB early??

Steelers don't rule out drafting quarterback early

By Marc Sessler

Published: January 17, 2013 at 7:19 AM PST

Modified: January 17, 2013 at 7:38 AM PST

Ben Roethlisberger has been a fixture under center for the Pittsburgh Steelers dating back to 2004, but is the team beginning to think ahead?

Coming off a disappointing 8-8 campaign, Steelers general manager Kevin Colbert said Wednesday the team could see a major roster shakeup in the offseason. Colbert's most surprising revelation came at quarterback, where Pittsburgh is open to drafting a passer in the first round for the first time in almost a decade.

"We won't close the door on any position in any round," Colbert told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette . "We can't ... Once we get into free agency and the draft, I don't see any position that's off limits."

It's notable because the Steelers have publicly swatted down the concept of drafting a quarterback in the early rounds ever since Big Ben was chosen 11th overall in 2004. The team has mainly relied on old-as-trees veterans at the position. Roethlisberger has been durable -- and certainly productive -- enough to allow that.

The 30-year-old, two-time Super Bowl winner started 13 games this season, but battled through painful injuries for the second year in a row. Roethlisberger still played at an MVP level for stretches, and Pittsburgh isn't about to uproot him for another, but the team is acknowledging that even their sturdy situation under center can't last forever.

Follow Marc Sessler on Twitter @MarcSesslerNFL .

USMC607
01-17-2013, 01:44 PM
If they go QB in the first round... Ill be stunned...

Goodfrom55
01-17-2013, 02:51 PM
If they go QB in the first round... Ill be stunned...

Zero chance of that (IMO). Steelers truly need a quality QB who can back up Ben though.

Wallace is dangerous, but he is gone. Would really like to see the Steelers re-sign Lewis. They need to approach the vets who are not being cut, and have these guys restructure their contracts. Anyone refuses, out you go. There is truly no reason why the Steelers should not be comfortable under the cap and still be competitive in the NFL. They hold on to overpriced talent a little longer than they should and now Colbert feels pressure from Art II so he is reacting accodringly. Steelers didn't go 2-14, but they certainly fell short of expectations.

Big T
01-17-2013, 03:27 PM
No chance Steelers go QB in round one. None. Won't happen. Talk about creating a circus.

NeilPatrickBanana
01-17-2013, 04:03 PM
There isn't a franchise/round 1 QB in the draft to take... so it's a moot point.

if they do believe in drafting a QB this year :

Use a high pick (1-3)
Tyler Bray is who I'd target. He has a lot of development left in his game. He's not ready to start. But he could be groomed into the future franchise QB. He's the traditional, big arm, pocket passer. He probably doesn't last past the top 60 picks.

Use a mid round pick (3-5)
If they were looking to get involved with a "new school" style QB. I like Matt Scott out of Arizona. He's showd the ability to throw the ball accurately all over the field, and has the outside the pocket ability that Rodgers and Luck thrive off of. Could probably be had in the 4th-5th round

Use a late pick (5-UDFA)
How about throwing away a 7th rounder on Aaron Rodgers little brother. He was terrible at Vanderbilt... but, you know... Pedigree and stuff. lol

FYI Matt Barkley will NOT be one of the first 4 QBs taken (Smith, Glennon, Wilson, Nassib IMO)

Crash
01-17-2013, 04:55 PM
Like I said, Arians gets an NFC job and Ben will join him.

Ben will not retire as a Steeler.

Big T
01-17-2013, 05:23 PM
Like I said, Arians gets an NFC job and Ben will join him.

Ben will not retire as a Steeler.

So now, instead of "Ben won't be a Steeler in 2013" it's "Ben will not retire as a Steeler"

Now you're really going out on a limb *sarcasm*

Clevelandsux
01-17-2013, 05:43 PM
I read this article. I'm glad the steelers organization will not accept 8-8.

Rhyno
01-17-2013, 06:53 PM
Like I said, Arians gets an NFC job and Ben will join him.

Ben will not retire as a Steeler.

No time to waffle now. Stick to your original, insane claims of Ben not being with the Steelers next year. Go all-out man.

coldrolled
01-17-2013, 07:41 PM
Is there a big trade coming? Maybe something is in the air.... Crash feels it...

We need lots of picks... Woodley... Ben... Hood.... Troy.... Sign Wallace then trade?? Antonio Brown?

NeilPatrickBanana
01-17-2013, 07:42 PM
So now, instead of "Ben won't be a Steeler in 2013" it's "Ben will not retire as a Steeler"

Now you're really going out on a limb *sarcasm*

yea, the real Crash believes that Ben will be the QB wherever Arians ends up next year. And the Steelers will cut him because "why pay a guy 20 million dollars if you are going to run the ball on 1st AND 2nd down!"

lol

LatrobePA
01-17-2013, 07:44 PM
Is there a big trade coming? Maybe something is in the air.... Crash feels it...

We need lots of picks... Woodley... Ben... Hood.... Troy.... Sign Wallace then trade?? Antonio Brown?

Harrison or Woodley could be dealt.

NeilPatrickBanana
01-17-2013, 07:52 PM
just entertaining the idea...

what would arizona have to give up to acquire Ben?

1st 2013 (4th overall)
1st 2014
1st 2015
2nd 2014
Michael Floyd
?

Come on Crash.... this is going to happen, right?

Crash
01-17-2013, 08:09 PM
yea, the real Crash believes that Ben will be the QB wherever Arians ends up next year. And the Steelers will cut him because "why pay a guy 20 million dollars if you are going to run the ball on 1st AND 2nd down!"

lol

Exactly. You want to run 40 times a game you get a $3 mil a year stop gap to hand off and you invest in high quality running backs.

You can't handcuff an entire offense by playing a style that doesn't suit it.

If Rooney wants 1975 football, then do it the right way.

NeilPatrickBanana
01-17-2013, 08:33 PM
Exactly. You want to run 40 times a game you get a $3 mil a year stop gap to hand off and you invest in high quality running backs.

You can't handcuff an entire offense by playing a style that doesn't suit it.

If Rooney wants 1975 football, then do it the right way.

your perception doesn't hold up to reality

but that's not surprising, since reality is made up of facts, and you don't like the pesky little things that chew holes in your delusion

Ibleedblk&gld
01-17-2013, 08:34 PM
ironically...BA just signed a 4 yr deal to become the head coach of Pittsburgh west....:stirpot:

Crash
01-17-2013, 08:35 PM
Yep. And at some point Ben will join him.

NeilPatrickBanana
01-17-2013, 08:46 PM
Yep. And at some point Ben will join him.

that's right... walk it back.

Crash
01-17-2013, 08:48 PM
No need. Art doesn't want Ben, nor does he value him.

As soon as the cap situations can dictate the move, he moves.

Period.

NeilPatrickBanana
01-17-2013, 08:52 PM
No need. Art doesn't want Ben, nor does he value him.

As soon as the cap situations can dictate the move, he moves.

Period.

a walk back and a new caveat, well done!!!

ben and mike wallace were both going (wherever Arians went) to arizona this offseason according to you.

LatrobePA
01-17-2013, 08:53 PM
Cardinals offer coach job to Arians; he's expected to accept

By

Published: January 17, 2013 at 5:16 PM PST

Modified: January 17, 2013 at 5:20 PM PST

The Arizona Cardinals have offered Indianapolis Colts offensive coordinator Bruce Arians their head-coaching job, and he's expected to accept, a source informed of the team's plans told NFL.com's Ian Rapoport .

The Cardinals met with Arians on Wednesday and Thursday. He was one of several candidates to replace former coach Ken Whisenhunt.

Arians assumed the Colts ' head-coaching duties this season on an interim basis after head coach Chuck Pagano took a leave from the team while receiving treatment for leukemia.


Steeler players will be standing in line to play in AZ...

Crash
01-17-2013, 08:54 PM
And if they can do it without the Steelers taking a $24 million cap hit? He's done in Pittsburgh.

If the CBA still allows the "buy back bonus", Ben to Arizona in 2 months is possible.

NeilPatrickBanana
01-17-2013, 09:00 PM
And if they can do it without the Steelers taking a $24 million cap hit? He's done in Pittsburgh.

If the CBA still allows the "buy back bonus", Ben to Arizona in 2 months is possible.

there wouldn't be a 24 mil cap hit.

there would be a 9 mil accelerated cap hit is 2013 (original signing bonus + restructure guarantee)
and 6.8 in 2014 (2014 and 2015 restructure guarantees)

if they traded him, based on his guaranteed money from the original signing bonus and the last 2 restructures.

Crash
01-17-2013, 09:05 PM
OK....even better for him. Makes it more possible.

But as I understood it, if you trade someone, the entire pro-rated signing bonus is all at once.

He's a $19.6 mil cap hit in 2013, and a $20.4 mil cap hit in 2014 and 2015.

His base salaries next three seasons are $11.6 million.

NeilPatrickBanana
01-17-2013, 09:10 PM
OK....even better for him. Makes it more possible.

But as I understood it, if you trade someone, the entire pro-rated signing bonus is all at once.

He's a $19.6 mil cap hit in 2013, and a $20.4 mil cap hit in 2014 and 2015.

His base salaries next three seasons are $11.6 million.

there is only 5.2 mil left of his signing bonus on the cap. they spread it over the first 6 of the 8 years
the addional guaranteed money spread across is the 1.2 spread over 5 years from the 2011 restructure. and the 2.6 spread over 4 years from the 2012 restructure.

im not sure that the original signing bonus and the restructure guarantees are treated the same... and im not sure that it all has to be taken in 1 year. i'll look into that.

interesting that you weren't singing the "cap hit" tune over the last month as you insisted that Ben was a goner

Crash
01-17-2013, 09:14 PM
Didn't think it was that high.

If it's closer to what you think, I'd say he's no doubt gone.

Art doesn't value, or appreciate Ben. The facts speak for themselves.

LatrobePA
01-17-2013, 09:33 PM
I can't believe this talk has carried over into another thread.

NeilPatrickBanana
01-17-2013, 09:42 PM
I can't believe this talk has carried over into another thread.

we have to get crash back to his normal self... he was wavering from his position (Ben is gone). had to get him back on track, who else would we ridicule?

LatrobePA
01-17-2013, 09:44 PM
we have to get crash back to his normal self... he was wavering from his position (Ben is gone). had to get him back on track, who else would we ridicule?

I just believe its still going, going, going and going... Holy f**k!!!

DBR96A
01-17-2013, 09:59 PM
I can't believe this talk has carried over into another thread.

Isn't that grounds for banning, when multiple topics get derailed by the same old ****?

LatrobePA
01-17-2013, 10:00 PM
Isn't that grounds for banning, when multiple topics get derailed by the same old ****?

Should be, I mean it's great to have all of this "input" but it's every thread now!

Crash just fn chill man!!

Crash
01-17-2013, 10:01 PM
This is about changes, no? IMO Ben will change teams.

Thus, on topic.

USMC607
01-17-2013, 10:26 PM
This is about changes, no? IMO Ben will change teams.

Thus, on topic.

I can't believe we are even talking about this... :bonk:

USMC607
01-17-2013, 10:49 PM
Lets just tank nxt yr, and grab Clowney... :bunny:

Crash
01-17-2013, 10:53 PM
I can't believe we are even talking about this... :bonk:

I agree. But would you have expected an owner to all of the sudden be an expert on QB play?

I'm telling you guys, Ben's issue isn't with Haley. If it's with anyone, it's Art.

USMC607
01-18-2013, 01:14 PM
i have a said a couple times on here ever since Dan went to be the ambassador to Ireland, and ART II took over he has been very opinionated about certain things. It seems like he is a Jerry Jones or Dan Snyder JR.

Im not saying he is as bad as them. But i seem glimpses of him meddling a little bit too much instead of letting his FO and Coaches do there jobs... Im glad Dan is back maybe hell tell ART II to settle down... So far tho im not very fond of ART II taking over..

scudmissile29
01-18-2013, 02:25 PM
Bye Wallace, Bye Mendenhall

faggots

Crash
01-18-2013, 02:38 PM
lololol

USMC607
01-18-2013, 02:55 PM
Ouch... But i concur especially mendenhall.... Man that 2008 draft was terrible...Pretty much 5 wasted picks i wont count Mundy since he actually stayed with the team up until now and thats all u can ask for in a 6th rounder.