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JollyRob68
01-14-2013, 03:52 PM
Would anyone be upset if The Steelers traded out of the first round? The Steelers have cap issues and a lot of holes that need to be filled. Depending on what players are still on the board, when would you decide to move down & out of the first round. The main reason I suggest this is because The Bengals Have 2 second rounders #37 & #52 the total value = The Steelers #17. With The Steelers having 3 second rounders they can get a Safety,LB & RB or WR.
Just wondering what people are thinking.

JensK
01-14-2013, 04:08 PM
Its honestly not the most exciting draft class I ever saw, and well... At 17 we might find that all the elite players are gone, in which case I'd say moving back might make sense. However not out of the first round. Plenty of talent to be picked up in the latter part if the first round.

cbrunn
01-14-2013, 04:19 PM
Depending on who's on the board , I like it ... but to the Bengals ummm don't think I would , But Miami yes

new Walterfootball.com draft using the Bengals picks

37 - WR - DeAndre Hopkins
48 - SS - Phillip Thomas
53 - FS - Bacarri Rambo
79 - OLB - Brandon Jenkins
112 - ILB - Gerald Hodges

I know you don't see any RB , but me personally I think Thomas and Rambo would be great going forward (realistically they only draft one Safety this year)
and Brandon Jenkins could be a steal , or you could go RB here with Mike Gillislee ...
I love Gerald Hodges in the 4th to play inside or give Depth

K Train
01-14-2013, 04:44 PM
i hate trading out of the first in all circumstances

USMC607
01-15-2013, 02:31 AM
I also would not be particularly comfortable trading out of the first round.... Maybe if we were mid 20's or higher. But at 17 idk even if it is for 2 2nd rounders.... I also doubt Cincy would be down to give up both 2nd rounders.

But just for the sake of conversation.

I would only consider it if - J.Jones, M.Te'O, D.Jordan, C.Warmack, B.Mingo, D.Moore, B.Werner, D.Milliner, S.Lotulelei, L.Joeckel were all gone.

And then if we did trade for cincys pair of 2rders i would love to see it.

2nd - Ed Lacy RB
2nd - Justin Hunter WR
2nd - Phillip Thomas S
3rd - Sean Porter OLB
4th - Landry Jones - QB
5th - Travis Kelce - TE
6th - Michael Mauti - ILB
7th - Lucas Nix III - NT

I think Lacy, Hunter would be our replacement and upgrade at the RB/WR positions when/if Mendenhall and Wallace both leave.
Thomas Porter Mauti would infuse our Defense with youth at aging positions, Kelce could be our 2nd TE to hold us over with Paulson until heath gets back. Landry Jones could be a decent Backup QB for us in case ben goes down and NIX will be there for development while they give Mclendon a chance to start with taamu backing him up.

JollyRob68
01-15-2013, 04:47 AM
Thanks. I think they'll trade back into the 20's to grab another pick but want to get a first rd talent.

cmerrifield
01-15-2013, 06:41 AM
I read an article last year, and I can't find it now, but basically it found that trading back has never or very rarely helped a team. The extra picks become camp fodder. So I am not interested in trading back, especially with the rookie deals being cap friendly now.

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scudmissile29
01-15-2013, 01:29 PM
if we can get lacy and thomas in the 2nd rounds then u trade out of the first round

JensK
01-15-2013, 01:32 PM
I would not mind Thomas in the second, but I like Rambo more. I doubt Steelers will touch him after what happened with Rainey though, which is a damn shame.

JollyRob68
01-15-2013, 01:38 PM
That is my thoughts on grabbing those 2 second rounders.

K Train
01-15-2013, 01:50 PM
2 second rounders is nothing to be excited about, this team has much much more success in drafting first rounders with only one miss in the last 10+ years

jpele
01-15-2013, 03:02 PM
i hate trading out of the first in all circumstances

So do I, and looking at their draft history I would say the Steelers feel likewise.

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Real Deal Steel
01-15-2013, 05:09 PM
i hate trading out of the first in all circumstances

I"m with you. Wouldn't want to trade out of the first round. But if we somehow got three second round draft picks for doing it, that could ease my disappointment.

Real Deal Steel
01-15-2013, 05:10 PM
Really like that Lacy kid from what I"ve seen. But we need so much in other areas.

BstripeYpaint
01-20-2013, 04:58 PM
This is my first post on this fine website! If Ryan Nassib is still available when our turn comes, I think we should take him. I love Big Ben, but we must find a great backup/future prospect in the near term. Nassib was slated to go in the 2nd round, but I just heard that Andy Reid & the Chiefs may make him their first selection. Nassib has developed rather quickly under Coach Marrone at Syracuse and is very, very good.

coach
01-23-2013, 10:24 AM
I usually don't mind moving back. This year would possibly be the year to actually move up and get an impact player. There are a limited number of them this year to choose from. We don't usually pick this high in the draft so hopefully a few QBS get snatched up (overdrafted) and some guys fall a bit and maybe we move up a couple slots.

weakdraft
01-23-2013, 06:43 PM
I'd trade away every pick after Okafor is gone, for more picks next year, and watch the waiver wire for gems in the rough.

K Train
01-23-2013, 06:48 PM
we get it, you like okafor

twag
02-05-2013, 08:11 PM
I would not mind Thomas in the second, but I like Rambo more. I doubt Steelers will touch him after what happened with Rainey though, which is a damn shame.

agree 100%

SteelerCountry58
02-06-2013, 10:43 PM
Stay the course and go with either Safety/LB for the first pick and vice versa for
the second pick whichever we don't take first. If Lacy is there when we pick in
the second,that might be real tempting to jump all over that though.

Zachintosh66
02-07-2013, 03:32 PM
Would consider trading back but not out... as long as we could land Lacy (he will be a 1st rounder before its said and done)

weakdraft
02-08-2013, 02:57 AM
Why draft players who can't play in the league? This draft has "okay" linemen out the wazoo.
And we could even get "okay" linemen as undrafted free agents.

I'd trade the entire draft and go shopping next year with lots of picks.

I don't see 1/2 of the #1's making their team this year. There are practice squad players, free agents, waiver wire and cuts, so we can pick up prospects.

Black@Gold Forever32
02-08-2013, 01:29 PM
Why draft players who can't play in the league? This draft has "okay" linemen out the wazoo.
And we could even get "okay" linemen as undrafted free agents.

I'd trade the entire draft and go shopping next year with lots of picks.

I don't see 1/2 of the #1's making their team this year. There are practice squad players, free agents, waiver wire and cuts, so we can pick up prospects.

Half of the number 1 picks not making their teams.......LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You're something else.......Teams don't cut their first round picks after training camp/preseason.......But believe whatever you wan Legend In Your Own Mind since you played football in 4th grade or whatever **** you were babbling about in another thread......

LatrobePA
02-08-2013, 03:21 PM
Why draft players who can't play in the league? This draft has "okay" linemen out the wazoo.
And we could even get "okay" linemen as undrafted free agents.

I'd trade the entire draft and go shopping next year with lots of picks.

I don't see 1/2 of the #1's making their team this year. There are practice squad players, free agents, waiver wire and cuts, so we can pick up prospects.

I say we trade all of our picks for the next 12 years for Joe Flacco! lol

BstripeYpaint
02-08-2013, 09:03 PM
Well, I would love to see Lacy in the Black and Gold too. Colbert has soooo damn much to think about.

weakdraft
02-08-2013, 10:37 PM
Half of the number 1 picks not making their teams.......LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You're something else.......Teams don't cut their first round picks after training camp/preseason.......But believe whatever you wan Legend In Your Own Mind since you played football in 4th grade or whatever **** you were babbling about in another thread......
If I was drafting from this crop, I would have to hold my nose to pick anyone after the top 5. I'd enjoy cutting my #1 to send a message that ain't nobody safe.

connecticutsteel
02-09-2013, 03:58 PM
i hate trading out of the first in all circumstances agreed this seem viable cause the ravens got upshaw by trading down so of course a ravens fan would suggest this. my motto is never give up your 1st rd pick unless your trading for a once in a life time player

JollyRob68
02-10-2013, 01:26 AM
I ain't no Ravens Fan. Steelers Always. Lmao

cbrunn
02-10-2013, 07:37 AM
agreed this seem viable cause the ravens got upshaw by trading down so of course a ravens fan would suggest this. my motto is never give up your 1st rd pick unless your trading for a once in a life time player

So wanting to trading down means he's a Ravens fan??

and not to mention if the player isn't top 10 in this draft , then the value to me isn't any different from 17-early 2nd for most position... Unless Jarvis Jones drops

WR the value isn't much different ... there are about 7 with late 1st early 2nd round grades to me right now
Either Ertz or Eifert will be there in the late first or eraly 2nd
RB isn't worth a 1st round selection there are a couple 2nd or 3rd round players though (Joseph Randle)
Guard you have Warmack , then Cooper , then Kyle Long ... then the talent drops off
Safety I was always a fan of doubling up on safeties but I doubt they will the one I really want is David Amerson and to me he has a late first early 2nd grade

But anyway to me anybody at 17 will be a "reach" unless it's Jarvis Jones or Warmack pretty much ... or somebody drops which I don't see happening, only maybe Jarvis Jones

I wouldn't be mad with David Amerson , or a WR like Justin Hunter being picked ... I just think they could be had with a trade down

cbrunn
02-10-2013, 08:01 AM
Just an example using the newest Walterfootball mock ... getting both of the Bengals picks

2nd - WR Justin Hunter
2nd - OLB Corey Lemenior
2nd - FS David Amerson (could play CB for a season too until he can play FS, if they lose Lewis or Injuries Happen)
3rd - RB , Joseph Randel , Mike Gillisslee , Andre Ellington
4th - LB Gerald Hodges
5th - TE Michael Williams
6th - C Matt Stankiewitch
7th - CB Nigel Malone

K Train
02-10-2013, 11:27 AM
Just an example using the newest Walterfootball mock ... getting both of the Bengals picks

2nd - WR Justin Hunter
2nd - OLB Corey Lemenior
2nd - FS David Amerson (could play CB for a season too until he can play FS, if they lose Lewis or Injuries Happen)
3rd - RB , Joseph Randel , Mike Gillisslee , Andre Ellington
4th - LB Gerald Hodges
5th - TE Michael Williams
6th - C Matt Stankiewitch
7th - CB Nigel Malone
im not sure the bengals would do business with the steelers and vice versa...but if they did, i like hunter and amerson an aful lot.

Hodges would be a nice pickup

id prefer stephen taylor at RB but id take Gillisslee

its the Lemenior pick that bothers me, theres gotta be better pass rushers available and i think brandon jenkins could be that guy

cbrunn
02-10-2013, 11:42 AM
im not sure the bengals would do business with the steelers and vice versa...but if they did, i like hunter and amerson an aful lot.

Hodges would be a nice pickup

id prefer stephen taylor at RB but id take Gillisslee

its the Lemenior pick that bothers me, theres gotta be better pass rushers available and i think brandon jenkins could be that guy

Yeah I don't think the Bengals would either ... and not so sure I would like doing business with them either ... Just was using the scenerio ...

Lemenior is a ok pick to me ... I like him , but not sold on him ... Jenkins is another guy too only thing with him is he is so big I question his ability to drop back in zones ,

Gillisslee was my favorite RB in this draft but Joseph Randel is really growing on me and I think he fits Haley scheme better

steelcitysfinestXL
02-11-2013, 11:33 AM
im not sure the bengals would do business with the steelers and vice versa...

I agree, I also agreed with the notion that the Steelers have done VERY well with their 1st rounders in over the last decade (-Hood who is a SO-SO player at best). Its not too often the Steelers have a pick in the top 20. I could see trading back to land a guy like Manti Te'o if the likes of Kevin Minter are gone. ILB is going to be priority. Alot is going to depend on FA. The Steelers could be pretty bare at RB and PROVEN WR after FA this year. Entering the season with Dwyer at RB and Brown, Sanders and Plex/Cotchery at Wr means they COULD use for some extra picks in this draft, and I truley bleive you dont need to draft a RB or WR in the first round if your the Steelers. Thats why i think moving BACK in the first, still getting a high value guy at a position of need (ie: Manti Te'o in the 20's) plus adding a 3rd rounder would be a better move than trading out of the 1st.

JollyRob68
02-11-2013, 03:30 PM
I agree with trading back not out. However if Warmack is there you take him. I'd like Minster, Vacarro,Teo, Ertz & Eifert.

ChucktownSteeler
02-11-2013, 04:48 PM
I have never been a fan of trading down. I think this year we have to make the most of the first 3 picks.

JollyRob68
02-13-2013, 02:39 PM
I have never been a fan of trading down. I think this year we have to make the most of the first 3 picks.

Trading Down gives us 4 picks in 3 rounds. This draft is reminding me of the year the took Hood. The Steelers dropped back in that draft. Not the greatest example for KTrain.( He hates Hood)

K Train
02-13-2013, 03:01 PM
steelers picked hood 32 the year they won the superbowl

steelers moved up for holmes and for troy, they havent moved down in the first round in recent memory

JollyRob68
02-13-2013, 08:34 PM
ok Thanks, I remember that I was hoping thy moved up for Oher that year. Sorry,
Ktrain, Would you sign RB CHris Ivory RFA NO? DOes he fit the zone blocking scheme?

ChucktownSteeler
02-13-2013, 08:44 PM
Still don't like trading down. Wonder who was selected in our original slot when we traded down for Hood. What did we gain? Hood is a bust, IMHO.

K Train
02-13-2013, 09:56 PM
ok Thanks, I remember that I was hoping thy moved up for Oher that year. Sorry,
Ktrain, Would you sign RB CHris Ivory RFA NO? DOes he fit the zone blocking scheme?
i love chris ivory

Still don't like trading down. Wonder who was selected in our original slot when we traded down for Hood. What did we gain? Hood is a bust, IMHO.
we didnt trade down for hood

JollyRob68
02-13-2013, 10:24 PM
[QUOTE=K Train;537985]i love chris ivory

Heres hoping they only put a right of refusal low tender on him.

Zachintosh66
02-13-2013, 10:54 PM
I wouldnt be upset with them drafting someone like Graham, Barner, Franklin

If we dont get Lacy, Gillsee or Taylor of the upper class of RBs

Zachintosh66
02-13-2013, 10:57 PM
Not a fan of Ball, Bell or Burkhead... too much of work horses in college

JollyRob68
02-14-2013, 02:07 PM
Here's a thoughts.
I'm all for trading out of the first round with Miami.
Steelers trade 1st & 5th for Miami's two second rounders #43 & 56 plus rd 3 #84.
That gives them 5 picks in 2nd & 3rd rounds and with those picks they can get WR,RB,OLB,ILB,SS/FS in rd 4 you get your TE,RD 6 QB,RD 7 Specialist or OL.
In rd 2 teams will make a run on QB's allowing good players to slip. With the teams cap issues getting young quality players who can contribute is the way to go.

I'd also would move back in the 1st round and select Tavon Austin & grabbing and extra pick. Drafting him allows you to wait to select a RB in the later rounds. It also allows you to take a bigger bodied WR who needs some development. (could take a flier on Marcus Lattimore as he heals)

NeilPatrickBanana
02-14-2013, 02:30 PM
Here's a thoughts.
I'm all for trading out of the first round with Miami.
Steelers trade 1st & 5th for Miami's two second rounders #43 & 56 plus rd 3 #84.
That gives them 5 picks in 2nd & 3rd rounds and with those picks they can get WR,RB,OLB,ILB,SS/FS in rd 4 you get your TE,RD 6 QB,RD 7 Specialist or OL.
In rd 2 teams will make a run on QB's allowing good players to slip. With the teams cap issues getting young quality players who can contribute is the way to go.

I'd also would move back in the 1st round and select Tavon Austin & grabbing and extra pick. Drafting him allows you to wait to select a RB in the later rounds. It also allows you to take a bigger bodied WR who needs some development. (could take a flier on Marcus Lattimore as he heals)

Steelers #17(950) + #143(34.5) = 984.5 pts
Dolphins #43(470) + #56(340) = 810 pts

BAD TRADE

Dropping 26 spots in the draft would be a colossal mistake

JollyRob68
02-15-2013, 04:52 PM
You missed the 3rd rounder #84. The math is correct. Steelers get two second rounders & a 3rd. Add 170 points.
I understand moving back 26spots but what has been said getting the #18 player In this draft is the same as # 60. If you/they believe that then its a good move. They need depth and impact players. In Rd 2 & 3 you can get Wr,Rb,lb, or safety & TE.

K Train
02-15-2013, 07:28 PM
the points chart is useless. if you want a guy you try to dazzle the team into trading the pick to you, i dont even think the points chart is a jumping off point anymore

dropping 26 spots and not getting an extra first next year would be a travesty though....hell thinking to carolina trading a future first to get everette brown in the second or the broncos trading a future first to get alphonso smith in the second, thats the type of deal they should entertain.

For instance, if the cards wanted to move up for barkley at 17, get their second round pick this year and their first round pick next year....idc what the points say, thats a good deal. the steelers get 2 seconds this year and two first next year and the cards get their franchise QB...trading for mid round picks is very meh

JollyRob68
02-15-2013, 11:24 PM
Yes, that make sense and its possible someone might do it. That's how The Pats got richer.