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Get7With7
01-13-2013, 04:24 PM
Look at how many points these so called "good" defenses are giving up in the playoffs. You see final scores of 38-35, 45-31, and 30-28 tells me you need to put up points to win. Everyone is talking about how the Steelers need a OLB, which is true, but what about a running back, or a tall WR? Is Heath going to be ready for 2013? Probably need another tight end. Offensive lineman isn't out of the question either.

NYCsteelersfan
01-13-2013, 04:25 PM
100 percent right.

Black@Gold Forever32
01-13-2013, 04:27 PM
Look at how many points these so called "good" defenses are giving up in the playoffs. You see final scores of 38-35, 45-31, and 30-28 tells me you need to put up points to win. Everyone is talking about how the Steelers need a OLB, which is true, but what about a running back, or a tall WR? Is Heath going to be ready for 2013? Probably need another tight end. Offensive lineman isn't out of the question either.

I have been saying for the past few years all the concentration in the draft should be on offense.....Its an offensive league and just fill the defense with patchwork type players.....But this team does need a pass rusher in this draft....I would be all for a pass rusher and all offense draft.......But I doubt that happens.......

Real Deal Steel
01-13-2013, 06:19 PM
Before this weekend,every team in the playoffs were In The top twelve in scoring defense.

NeilPatrickBanana
01-13-2013, 06:31 PM
JUST FOR FUN....

1st - DeAndre Hopkins WR or Cordarelle Patterson WR
2nd - Marcus Lattimore RB or Giovanni Bernard RB
3rd - Denard Robinson WR or Stedman Bailey WR
4th - Joseph Fauria TE
If you want to go all out offense...

Black@Gold Forever32
01-13-2013, 06:34 PM
JUST FOR FUN....

1st - DeAndre Hopkins WR or Cordarelle Patterson WR
2nd - Marcus Lattimore RB or Giovanni Bernard RB
3rd - Denard Robinson WR or Stedman Bailey WR
4th - Joseph Fauria TE
If you want to go all out offense...

Team needs at least one pass rusher then the rest can be offense....lol

JensK
01-13-2013, 06:44 PM
If Mingo falls he has to be the pick imo. I also think Hopkins at 17 is a reach at this given time. Lattimore in the second is a huge risk, but I dont mind it. Its about time we hit one of those picks.

NeilPatrickBanana
01-13-2013, 06:46 PM
Team needs at least one pass rusher then the rest can be offense....lol

you know I am fully on board with pass rusher in the 1st (everyone knows i am hard for Dion Jordan)

the problem, is the depth of pass rushers in this draft is weak... im not looking forward to drafting the next Worrilds or Alonzo Jackson in the 2nd, lol.

I'd trade up for Jordan
or Hope for Mingo to fall

if not... i'm going WR in the 1st

JensK
01-13-2013, 06:54 PM
Then give me Keenan Allen all day provided he'll be there. I just dont like any other WR at 17 as of right now. I would not be opposed to trading down if WR indeed was the pick in the first.

Nolrog
01-13-2013, 06:55 PM
As long as it's not another lineman. We've selected 4 linemen in the first round in a row. Pouncey is excellent and they say DeCastro will be as well, I'm not sold on Hood or Ironhead. I feel strongly we can get good value on the interior positions later in the draft, but it's much harder to hit on skill players later on (though they have been fortunate in the last few years.)

NeilPatrickBanana
01-13-2013, 07:01 PM
Then give me Keenan Allen all day provided he'll be there. I just dont like any other WR at 17 as of right now. I would not be opposed to trading down if WR indeed was the pick in the first.

i don;t mind reaching for the WRs i like... i'd rather get the guy i think will be a quality player, over trading down and taking whoever is there.

i think Hopkins has a sidney rice type of skill set. big, fast, huge hands, power and speed combo.
i think Patterson would a super risky pick, that could pay off with a franchise WR talent... the guy has AJ Green skills, but lacks the tape to back it up

i think hunter is a bit generic, woods is another usc bust, terrance williams is solid... trading down for them would be... disappointing.

i don't like trading down when a player i like is available... taking the risk that im left with lesser quality players all for another 3rd round... not that enticing to me.

JensK
01-13-2013, 07:09 PM
Personally I'm a believer in picking up value over any given position. Especially in our current situation with so many "glaring" needs. Don't get me wrong, I like Hopkins a lot, but at this given time I don't see him as the kind of talent which is worthy of a 17th pick in the first round, when we could pick up someone else on another position who is more talented. I know that is an ambigious discussion though, because how do you evalutate interpositional talent? Still, lets set up an example. If for instance Mingo should fall to 17, and Hopkins is there too, you have to go with Mingo because he is the better football player of the 2. My point is that I believe that we would be able to find better football players than Hopkins at 17.

Note, I might turn 180 on this one after the combine :D I really do like Hopkins a lot, but not enough to have Steelers reaching for him.

NeilPatrickBanana
01-13-2013, 07:17 PM
i would go with Mingo over Hopkins... i have them ranked pretty close (you can see my post bowl game top 64 big board in the "war room".

I think Mingo, similar to Patterson at WR.... has all the talent, but the tape is disappointing.

Mingo (15), Hopkins(17), and Patterson(19) are all in my top 20

Agreed... a lot will change post combine. I need Mingo to show me the freak athletic numbers, because the tape this year... disappointing. If Patterson runs a sub 4.45... that could change things as well.

Hopkins is the total package... i'd happily take him at 17

honesty : years ago i ranted and raved about how Antaj Hawthorne (wisconsin) was going to be the most dominant DT to come out since Warren Sapp. then he got high before the draft, tested for marijuana, fell to the 6th round Raiders, and went to NFL Europe never to be heard from again.... point being... it's the ****ing draft, even the guys who get paid to analyze these guys get **** wrong all the time.

JensK
01-13-2013, 07:21 PM
Not to turn this into a Mingo debate, but if anything the tape from this year shows that he is a 3-4 OLB. He is not going to be able to do what JPP or Aldon Smith can, but he can get around the tackle and sack the QB. I agree though, he has some stuff to show at the combine. The cone drills should be his forte.

NeilPatrickBanana
01-13-2013, 07:25 PM
dion jordan is the freak (jpp, aldon) in this draft... want so badly

JensK
01-13-2013, 07:30 PM
I like him around 17 as well. I think all defenses should want a guy like that. We had one in Harrison a few years back and it just opens up so much for the rest. Dion or Mingo would both be awesome. I like Dion over Mingo in our scheme though; he had been asked to drop into coverage, whereas Mingo only knows how to run in a straight line towards the QB.

NeilPatrickBanana
01-13-2013, 07:33 PM
i think it was the game against arizona st... when i realized that they were using jordan in the slot to cover WRs...regularly.

mingo would be a good pick @17
jordan would be a steal @17

i;d trade up for Jordan... there is a big drop off in talent after the top 50-60 prospects imo... a 3rd round would be better served, if used to move up and get an elite talent

cbrunn
01-13-2013, 08:35 PM
JUST FOR FUN....

1st - DeAndre Hopkins WR or Cordarelle Patterson WR
2nd - Marcus Lattimore RB or Giovanni Bernard RB
3rd - Denard Robinson WR or Stedman Bailey WR
4th - Joseph Fauria TE
If you want to go all out offense...

Wouldn't be mad with Hopkins
I don't think you should spend a 2nd round on a RB , especially one that we would have to wait probably a year to get anything if anything out of ... maybe years before we were in a position to draft for the future, I don't think so anymore
I would rather Ryan Swope here
Don't think he'll be there in the 4th ... a 6'7 TE that can run and catch in todays NFL , i don't see anyway he lasts

Oh yeah I really like Mike Gillislee 3-4

LatrobePA
01-13-2013, 08:37 PM
This year will be like having two drafts with all the hurt rookies coming back.

NeilPatrickBanana
01-13-2013, 08:50 PM
Wouldn't be mad with Hopkins
I don't think you should spend a 2nd round on a RB , especially one that we would have to wait probably a year to get anything if anything out of ... maybe years before we were in a position to draft for the future, I don't think so anymore
I would rather Ryan Swope here
Don't think he'll be there in the 4th ... a 6'7 TE that can run and catch in todays NFL , i don't see anyway he lasts

Oh yeah I really like Mike Gillislee 3-4

swope is going to go earlier than he's currently being projected. he's a fit for a lot of teams. would you take him in the 2nd? because he wont be there in the 3rd IMO

Miami has two 2nd rounders and 2 3rd rounders.... and desperately needs WRs.... i bet they take two WRs in the first 3 rounds

cbrunn
01-13-2013, 08:57 PM
swope is going to go earlier than he's currently being projected. he's a fit for a lot of teams. would you take him in the 2nd? because he wont be there in the 3rd IMO

Miami has two 2nd rounders and 2 3rd rounders.... and desperately needs WRs.... i bet they take two WRs in the first 3 rounds

Not too sure If I like Swope more than Cobi Hamilton ... But I wouldn't be mad with either one

Warmack - Cooper
Swope - Hamilton
Gillislee - Barner
and throw Michael Williams in their somewhere in the 5th or 6th

NeilPatrickBanana
01-13-2013, 09:09 PM
Not too sure If I like Swope more than Cobi Hamilton ... But I wouldn't be mad with either one

Warmack - Cooper
Swope - Hamilton
Gillislee - Barner
and throw Michael Williams in their somewhere in the 5th or 6th

they are not taking another guard in the 1st...

LatrobePA
01-13-2013, 09:11 PM
they are not taking another guard in the 1st...

I don't think so either.

cbrunn
01-13-2013, 09:16 PM
Warmack is a top 5 player in the draft to me regardless position ... I'll take that value every time... I don't think he'll be there though

Cooper I can do without ... and see what Beachum can do ... but if Warmack is on the board I pick him just as quick as they picked Decastro last year

NeilPatrickBanana
01-13-2013, 09:23 PM
Warmack is a top 5 player in the draft to me regardless position ... I'll take that value every time... I don't think he'll be there though

Cooper I can do without ... and see what Beachum can do ... but if Warmack is on the board I pick him just as quick as they picked Decastro last year

and decastro looked terrible in preseason before injury... and was god awful after he returned.

Dominant college guards, are hardly ever worth their expected value.

Drafting a non impact (tds, takeaways) player in the first would be set this franchise back.

coldrolled
01-13-2013, 09:33 PM
ogletree to start then rb, wr, g, ilb

LatrobePA
01-13-2013, 09:41 PM
Watching these post season games seeing rookies making plays has to be us ASAP!

NeilPatrickBanana
01-13-2013, 09:55 PM
Watching these post season games seeing rookies making plays has to be us ASAP!

our last 4 first round picks have all been "in the trenches" players (2 OL, 2 DL). No impact players, no game changer positions. And our 2nd round picks over the last 4 years were 2 MORE oline... and a bust pass rusher.

if you were wondering why we aren't explosive... anywhere on the roster... look no further than the last 4 drafts.

meanwhile... the 49ers are going to win the super bowl... here's what they've done in the first 2 rounds over the last 4 drafts.
WR, WR, RB, QB, OT, OG, Pass Rusher..

the 49ers had a good core in place... willis, justin, gore, etc... and the steelers had a good core in place 4 years ago too... but when you aren't continually supplanting your talent with more talent, you get old and slow and boring quickly... and that's where the steelers are today.

Real Deal Steel
01-13-2013, 10:59 PM
If Mingo falls he has to be the pick imo. I also think Hopkins at 17 is a reach at this given time. Lattimore in the second is a huge risk, but I dont mind it. Its about time we hit one of those picks.

Mingo looks to be a stud.

tgunn86
01-14-2013, 01:11 AM
Dont care who we get for offense as long as Cobi Hamilton is in the mix, the guy is a mix of speed and size and talent, have to get him

NeilPatrickBanana
01-14-2013, 01:45 PM
Dont care who we get for offense as long as Cobi Hamilton is in the mix, the guy is a mix of speed and size and talent, have to get him

i like hamilton, would you spend a mid 2nd rounder on him?

another guy to keep an eye, more 3rd round.... Markus Wheaton. He might be the best vertical threat in the draft. (people here might not like the mike wallace comparison)

Real Deal Steel
01-14-2013, 01:57 PM
Dont care who we get for offense as long as Cobi Hamilton is in the mix, the guy is a mix of speed and size and talent, have to get him

Do you really think a rookie WR is going to make that much of an impact over Brown and Sanders? Rookie WR who make an impact are few and far between for the first year.

NeilPatrickBanana
01-14-2013, 02:14 PM
Do you really think a rookie WR is going to make that much of an impact over Brown and Sanders? Rookie WR who make an impact are few and far between for the first year.

yes, i do.

people will point to last year's disappointing production from the rookie WR class. But the bottom line, the steelers WR talent as it stands right now, is bottom 10 in the league (assuming Wallace is gone).... maybe even bottom 5... seriously. Miami is terrible. And so is Buffalo. And there aren't many teams that lack talent the way the Steelers do... even the teams that lack depth, still have a prototype #1.

Besides Miami and Buffalo... I'm not sure there is a team with a worse core than Brown, Sanders, Cotchery, Gilreath.
am i forgetting another team? maybe Cleveland? oh, the Jets... definitely the Jets.... but Hill has a ton of potential, Holmes will be back, and Kerly is a stud slot WR. hmmmm racking my brain...the Chiefs, they are going to lose Bowe and everyone else is pretty terrible... maybe Baldwin becomes decent. San Diego is similar to pittsburgh with Meachem and Floyd, but they also have Denario.

so... yea, a 1st round WR could make a bigger impact. nothing is a given with the draft though