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SteelCurtainYinzer
01-03-2013, 11:49 AM
Just read where the Arizona Cardinals have asked permission to interview Todd Haley? As a Steelers fan are we ready to see him go after one season or should the Steelers deny permission.

jdehoff83
01-03-2013, 12:03 PM
If he did leave who would be our options? Is the better question

Crash
01-03-2013, 12:10 PM
I would stay in house and promote Randy Fichtner.

LatrobePA
01-03-2013, 12:11 PM
He's not going anywhere... Relax people!

Zachintosh66
01-03-2013, 12:37 PM
I would stay in house and promote Randy Fichtner.

I heard Kirby Wilson woulda gotten the nod last year if he wasnt in the hospital.

coldrolled
01-03-2013, 12:40 PM
He's not going anywhere... Relax people!

What if Haley sees no future with Ben in his way?

coldrolled
01-03-2013, 12:43 PM
He's not going anywhere... Relax people!

What if Haley sees no future with Ben in his way?

LatrobePA
01-03-2013, 12:46 PM
What if Haley sees no future with Ben in his way?

I think it'll be the other way around. Is Haley a HC?? AZ and him had a great relationship but that doesn't mean he'll be their HC.... Honestly if he left I wouldn't be all that upset! If he stays I'd be happy too!

Crash
01-03-2013, 12:51 PM
Haley and the Bidwell's have a nice relationship.

When the Bidwell's wanted Haley back in some capacity this season, Whiz's assistants made it clear to Whiz, who made it clear to ownership, that they didn't want to work with him again.

coldrolled
01-03-2013, 01:01 PM
The Arizona Cardinals might not be able to close the deal with Andy Reid, so they are preparing for other alternatives.

Ian Rapoport of NFL.com confirms that the team requested permission to speak to Pittsburgh Steelers offensive coordinator Todd Haley about the Cardinals' vacant head coaching position. Kent Somers of the Arizona Republic first reported the news.

Haley worked under deposed head coach Ken Whisenhunt when the team made the Super Bowl after the 2009 season. Haley enjoyed a good relationship with ownership, who reportedly pushed for Whisenhunt to add Haley to the coaching staff after last season when Haley lost his head coaching gig with the Kansas City Chiefs. Haley and Whisenhunt met about joining forces again, but it never happened.

Defensive coordinator Ray Horton has interviewed for the position and Reid was scheduled to interview on Thursday. The Cardinals are also planning to interview Denver Broncos offensive coordinator Mike McCoy over the weekend.

It would be a surprise to see Haley get another bite at the head-coaching apple so soon after his run in Kansas City, but the NFL is all about relationships. There's a comfort level between the Cardinals and Haley. They wouldn't set up this interview unless he was a serious candidate.

Number99
01-03-2013, 01:09 PM
Haley out Wiz in as OC? hey you never know.

BlaZeQuietly
01-03-2013, 01:14 PM
I don't think we should judge Haley on one bad season, a lot went wrong that was not in his control, remember at one point we were 6-3.

Get7With7
01-03-2013, 01:23 PM
I don't think we should judge Haley on one bad season, a lot went wrong that was not in his control, remember at one point we were 6-3.

If they continue the run, run, pass **** - I want him gone.

Crash
01-03-2013, 01:25 PM
The second half play-calling against the Bengals was a travesty. An embarrassment.

Just like it was without Ben against the Ravens in Pittsburgh.

BlaZeQuietly
01-03-2013, 01:30 PM
The second half play-calling against the Bengals was a travesty. An embarrassment.

Just like it was without Ben against the Ravens in Pittsburgh.

I agree with you there, I think we should give him another chance, but I do think he needs to change his play book, they just aren't exciting to watch, and that would be okay if they were winning. but there not, I rarely see them put up over 20 points.

NeilPatrickBanana
01-03-2013, 01:34 PM
The second half play-calling against the Bengals was a travesty. An embarrassment.

Just like it was without Ben against the Ravens in Pittsburgh.

the play calling in the 2nd half can be directly correlated to a QB with a bum shoulder. They learned after horrible performances against SD and Dal, that Ben wasn't even remotely close to 100%. He couldn't throw the ball consistently at any point since returning from injury. But carry on with your agenda

the play calling in the first half of the season had a QB playing the best football of his career, and an offense that should've had the Steelers at 8-1, if not for 2 late defensive meltdowns.

Töm87
01-03-2013, 01:35 PM
No matter who it is or what team.
If an assistant coach is offered a better job somewhere, let him go! You shouldn't deny anyone of such a chance!

86WARD
01-03-2013, 01:45 PM
If they continue the run, run, pass **** - I want him gone.

The old Arians offense...lol.

Crash
01-03-2013, 01:53 PM
the play calling in the 2nd half can be directly correlated to a QB with a bum shoulder.

If you think Ben was horrible in Dallas in regulation then you didn't watch the game.

If Ben's shoulder was an issue against the Bengals (which I don't believe it was), then why after running the ball twice from the Bengals 32, and why after running the ball on three straight plays with a demoted/suspended the week before running back with three minutes left from the Steelers 46, are we having said bum shoulder throwing the ball from his own 11 with :44 seconds left?

Wouldn't the SMART thing to do would be to go to OT, and if you happen to lose the coin toss maybe force a turnover on defense for the 4th time that day?

You can try to blame Ben all you want.

The golf coach's play-calling does all my talking for me.

The play-calling in the first half of the year was the same as it was when we played Cincy:

Ben trying to save Chi Chi Rodriquez's *** on 3rd down.

BlitzburghRockCity
01-03-2013, 01:55 PM
He's not going anywhere... Relax people!


:iagree: This is all due process for the Cards IMO. With Reid apparently going to KC now, the Cards are keeping their options open. I think it's too early for anyone to hire Haley as an HC after the debacle he had in KC. He'll be back, I'd be shocked if he isn't.

connecticutsteel
01-03-2013, 02:38 PM
IF HALEY LEFT THE ULTIMATE WOULD BE NORV TURNER WE WOULD BE UNSTOPPABLE HE'S A GREAT OC BUT AN OK HEAD COACH

LatrobePA
01-03-2013, 02:42 PM
IF HALEY LEFT THE ULTIMATE WOULD BE NORV TURNER WE WOULD BE UNSTOPPABLE HE'S A GREAT OC BUT AN OK HEAD COACH

I'd take nut sack neck in a heart beat!

Goodfrom55
01-03-2013, 03:01 PM
Before his injury, Ben was having a career year and the Steelers were rolling. Problem is from a personnel perspective, the Steelers were not capable of running outside at all unless Mendenhall was in there and he wasn't. The line was shreaded with injuries so the pass protection broke down. Ben got hurt and Lefty and Batch are not Ben.

Yes these are excuses, and while I do not completely agree with some of the play calls, was Ben ordered to run those plays or did he have the freedom to check out of them? How many times were the Steelers in 3rd and 2 from the 5 yard line and Ben throws a fade, which is a low percentage play? It's not like the Steelers were 5-11 this year. They were about 6 total plays away from being 12-4. If Haley comes back, I believe he will have a better understanding of what he has to work with and I look for a more expanded playbook in 2013. Throw away some things that don't work and implement some things that did.

Believe me, Haley is the least of the Steelers offseason issues.

Raleigh Steel
01-03-2013, 03:02 PM
If you think Ben was horrible in Dallas in regulation then you didn't watch the game.

If Ben's shoulder was an issue against the Bengals (which I don't believe it was), then why after running the ball twice from the Bengals 32, and why after running the ball on three straight plays with a demoted/suspended the week before running back with three minutes left from the Steelers 46, are we having said bum shoulder throwing the ball from his own 11 with :44 seconds left?

Wouldn't the SMART thing to do would be to go to OT, and if you happen to lose the coin toss maybe force a turnover on defense for the 4th time that day?

You can try to blame Ben all you want.

The golf coach's play-calling does all my talking for me.

The play-calling in the first half of the year was the same as it was when we played Cincy:

Ben trying to save Chi Chi Rodriquez's *** on 3rd down.


:deadhorse:

NeilPatrickBanana
01-03-2013, 03:47 PM
If Ben's shoulder was an issue against the Bengals (which I don't believe it was), then why , are we having said bum shoulder throwing the ball from his own 11 with :44 seconds left?

I'm sure i'm not the only one laughing at the irony here.

NeilPatrickBanana
01-03-2013, 03:49 PM
IF HALEY LEFT THE ULTIMATE WOULD BE NORV TURNER WE WOULD BE UNSTOPPABLE HE'S A GREAT OC BUT AN OK HEAD COACH

I can't think of a worse Offense for this team to run.

Are you guys not familiar with "Air Coryell" ? Do you not know what elements and skill sets it requires most.

Norv Turnver would be a terrible fit for our Offense (Ben, WRs, Heath)

Crash
01-03-2013, 03:53 PM
I'm sure i'm not the only one laughing at the irony here.

I'm laughing at you're poor editing job.

Nolrog
01-03-2013, 04:00 PM
If he did leave who would be our options? Is the better question

Norv Turner

NeilPatrickBanana
01-03-2013, 04:35 PM
Norv Turner

dumb

jpele
01-03-2013, 05:34 PM
Before his injury, Ben was having a career year and the Steelers were rolling. Problem is from a personnel perspective, the Steelers were not capable of running outside at all unless Mendenhall was in there and he wasn't. The line was shreaded with injuries so the pass protection broke down. Ben got hurt and Lefty and Batch are not Ben.

Yes these are excuses, and while I do not completely agree with some of the play calls, was Ben ordered to run those plays or did he have the freedom to check out of them? How many times were the Steelers in 3rd and 2 from the 5 yard line and Ben throws a fade, which is a low percentage play? It's not like the Steelers were 5-11 this year. They were about 6 total plays away from being 12-4. If Haley comes back, I believe he will have a better understanding of what he has to work with and I look for a more expanded playbook in 2013. Throw away some things that don't work and implement some things that did.

Believe me, Haley is the least of the Steelers offseason issues.

Wow ! At least one board member has been paying attention. How refreshing .

Omicron
01-03-2013, 06:17 PM
Before his injury, Ben was having a career year and the Steelers were rolling. Problem is from a personnel perspective, the Steelers were not capable of running outside at all unless Mendenhall was in there and he wasn't. The line was shreaded with injuries so the pass protection broke down. Ben got hurt and Lefty and Batch are not Ben.

Yes these are excuses, and while I do not completely agree with some of the play calls, was Ben ordered to run those plays or did he have the freedom to check out of them? How many times were the Steelers in 3rd and 2 from the 5 yard line and Ben throws a fade, which is a low percentage play? It's not like the Steelers were 5-11 this year. They were about 6 total plays away from being 12-4. If Haley comes back, I believe he will have a better understanding of what he has to work with and I look for a more expanded playbook in 2013. Throw away some things that don't work and implement some things that did.

Believe me, Haley is the least of the Steelers offseason issues.
Yep, another year for the OL to jell and hopefully keep as healthy as possible. I think that is the first thing to fix.

Get7With7
01-03-2013, 07:09 PM
The emphasis needs to be on scoring next season, not possession. Playing close to the vest is a big part of the reason why the Steelers ended up 8-8. Let Ben try to win the games early next season. You don't see guys like Brady and Manning being handcuffed for the majority of the game only to be called upon to pull miracles out of their asses at the end.

Goodfrom55
01-03-2013, 08:12 PM
The emphasis needs to be on scoring next season, not possession. Playing close to the vest is a big part of the reason why the Steelers ended up 8-8. Let Ben try to win the games early next season. You don't see guys like Brady and Manning being handcuffed for the majority of the game only to be called upon to pull miracles out of their asses at the end.

It goes hand in hand with defense. If the Steelers can get out to a sizeable lead in a game and the defense can hold the lead, then they can become conservative in the 4th quarter, chew up clock and who cares if they score or not. It's kind of like an offensive prevent; not really tying to score, but are more concerned with killing the clock. They were not in great position to do this in 2012 in large part to the inconcistency of the running game and overall success on 3rd down conversion in the 2nd half of the season. I said this in another post, take care of the O-Line, and the rest of the offense will take care of itself. Even Brady is worthless when he is getting the tar beat out of him. And they're not a down the field offense either.

Crash
01-03-2013, 10:40 PM
That's what we did for 6 years. Kick *** early and then run the ball.

But because we didn't want to admit our 2009 4th quarter defense sucked, everything on offense has changed.

LatrobePA
01-03-2013, 10:59 PM
Stats are all towards the bottom. Scoring O needs to improve in a bad way!

Get7With7
01-03-2013, 11:36 PM
Stats are all towards the bottom. Scoring O needs to improve in a bad way!

Scoring offense was actually better in the 2009 season than it has been the last 3 seasons. The problem is, Art Rooney II tried to blame the offense for that season when it was actually the defense blowing 4th quarter leads. Maybe someone needs to let the football people take care of football.

connecticutsteel
01-04-2013, 12:00 AM
IF HALEY LEFT THE ULTIMATE WOULD BE NORV TURNER WE WOULD BE UNSTOPPABLE HE'S A GREAT OC BUT AN OK HEAD COACH

connecticutsteel
01-04-2013, 12:02 AM
BRADY BRADY BRADY IS THIS A ****IN PATSBOARD

elephantman
01-04-2013, 12:08 AM
They were about 6 total plays away from being 12-4.



^ in 2008, 2010 and 2011 they were 6 plays away from being 8-8 , Perhaps we need to address those 6 plays better

lancer89074
01-04-2013, 12:29 AM
Norv Turner? So many want Haley to stay? I am going to pray now.

polamalu43
01-04-2013, 01:47 AM
Montee Ball in Round 2 or 3..........Dwyer and Redman back ups.........Rainey change of pace or 3rd down/hybrid receiver

Haley will be staying put.

Real Deal Steel
01-04-2013, 11:33 AM
Not too sure. Read what this says from rotoworld.com:

Haley is "proceeding cautiously" because "he loves working for the Steelers." It's hard to reconcile Werder's report with ESPN's confirmation Thursday that Haley had already been granted permission to interview in the desert. Cardinals president Michael Bidwell is said to hold Haley in high regard. It seems that Haley does not want to burn bridges in Pittsburgh in case he doesn't get the Arizona job.

Real Deal Steel
01-04-2013, 11:33 AM
If Haley knows he can get the job, he will be taking it. Haley is being careful because he doesn't want to embarrass himself or his father. So it's no lock that Haley is going to stay. We'll see.

Real Deal Steel
01-04-2013, 11:34 AM
If he did leave who would be our options? Is the better question


Norv Turner. A multiple super bowl winning OC.

Real Deal Steel
01-04-2013, 11:35 AM
I think it'll be the other way around. Is Haley a HC?? AZ and him had a great relationship but that doesn't mean he'll be their HC.... Honestly if he left I wouldn't be all that upset! If he stays I'd be happy too!

Exactly.

Real Deal Steel
01-04-2013, 11:37 AM
If they continue the run, run, pass **** - I want him gone.

That had to do with what Rooney asked for. Remember, before Haley was even hired, Rooney put out a mandate that he wanted a more balanced offense. Haley was following orders.

NeilPatrickBanana
01-04-2013, 11:41 AM
Norv Turner. A multiple super bowl winning OC.

terrible fit for practically every key piece of our offense.

everytime i see this stupid suggestion I try to figure out whether the poster is simple delusional about the talents of the present steelers offensive players, or if they are wildly uninformed about what the Norv Turner offense is.

Get7With7
01-04-2013, 12:05 PM
That had to do with what Rooney asked for. Remember, before Haley was even hired, Rooney put out a mandate that he wanted a more balanced offense. Haley was following orders.

And that helped lead to an 8-8 season. A reason why owners shouldn't meddle in football operations.

Real Deal Steel
01-04-2013, 02:59 PM
terrible fit for practically every key piece of our offense.

everytime i see this stupid suggestion I try to figure out whether the poster is simple delusional about the talents of the present steelers offensive players, or if they are wildly uninformed about what the Norv Turner offense is.

It's not dillusional. If you know Norv's history as an OC, he's always been able to adapt his offense to the talents available. From Dallas, to Washington, to Oakland..he's always shown that ability.

And I've watched his offense the entire time. He runs a vertical/strike offense with a tendency for his routes to be 5 yards deeper then most. Provided we get the O-line together, I don't see a problem with Norv's offense being a fit for us. And he usually has a good run/pass ratio too.

NeilPatrickBanana
01-04-2013, 03:46 PM
It's not dillusional. If you know Norv's history as an OC, he's always been able to adapt his offense to the talents available. From Dallas, to Washington, to Oakland..he's always shown that ability.

And I've watched his offense the entire time. He runs a vertical/strike offense with a tendency for his routes to be 5 yards deeper then most. Provided we get the O-line together, I don't see a problem with Norv's offense being a fit for us. And he usually has a good run/pass ratio too.

Norv turner adapts? lol

Norv runs a very specific version of the "Air Coryell" offense.It's a terrible fit for Roethlisberger. What skill sets from QB and WR are most important in Norv Turnver's vertical offense... in your opinion?

it just completely boggles my mind that anyone would want to combine Norv Turner+Ben Roethlisberger. Not even getting into lacking the right weapons at WR, TE, and RB to run the offense.... but it's just a terrible mix at the OC/QB level that we shouldn't even have to move on to the 2nd level problems.