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SteelersfaninPhilly
01-31-2007, 06:52 PM
clock Jan 31, 2007 5:15 pm US/Eastern
Officials Hope To Reach Arena Deal By Friday
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Andy Sheehan
Reporting

(KDKA) PITTSBURGH Negotiations are continuing between government officials and the Pittsburgh Penguins as they try to come to terms on the building of a new arena here in Pittsburgh.

Both sides are now discussing the loose framework of a deal but still going back and forth on some of the issues.

Still, there is hope for an agreement by the end of the week.

But if all goes well, it could be drawing to close shortly with a happy ending for Penguins fans.

"Time is of the essence and we have gone back and forth, I'm hopeful this week that we will have an answer from the Penguins and hopefully a deal," said Pittsburgh Mayor Luke Ravenstahl back on Monday.

Sources say progress has been made on the overall deal and the potential sticking points such as the sharing of parking revenue and the sharing of development rights to the land after the Mellon Arena is torn down.

One source says there's been major discussion over just who will pay a $10 million debt the Pens owe to their former gaming partner Isle of Capri.

The state, county and city have refused to foot the bill, but the same source says the city and county may buy the central medical building from the Pens to partially off-set that cost.

The Pens bought the building several years ago as a possible arena site.

But again, there are no guarantees from the management here.

Sources are telling KDKA Investigator Marty Sheehan that this could get done in the next 24 hours in anticipation of an announcement on Friday.

However, the talks could very well take a step backward.

PITT23
01-31-2007, 09:00 PM
Fingers crossed for a new deal ASAP.

BBG7
02-01-2007, 11:17 AM
It looks like it's close. I hope they do reach an agreement.

SteelCityMan786
02-02-2007, 11:06 PM
PLEASE LET THE TRIB BE RIGHT!

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/rss/s_491255.html


Pens may have deal Uptown, official says

By Rob Rossi
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Thursday, February 1, 2007

HARRISBURG - The Penguins apparently have cut a deal with public officials to finance an Uptown arena that would keep the team in Pittsburgh, a state senator said Wednesday.

"I'm hearing that a deal could be made any day, which makes me suspect it's all about crossing the t's and dotting the i's," said Sen. Wayne Fontana, a Brookline Democrat who serves on the city-county Sports & Exhibition Authority, which would own the arena. "I don't know that there are any major hurdles left. It's all just little things."

Fontana said he expects officials to announce a deal today or Friday.

The Penguins had no comment. Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato would not comment, his spokesman Kevin Evanto said.


"People involved directly in the negotiations are not discussing anything publicly," said Dick Skrinjar, spokesman for Mayor Luke Ravenstahl.

Fontana said Gov. Ed Rendell and Penguins co-owner Ron Burkle, a California billionaire, have held "a lot of phone conversations." The two worked together on the Democratic National Committee, and that connection helped ease tension from a Jan. 18 meeting over how to divide arena revenue, Fontana said.

The Penguins balked at sharing money from parking and the developmental rights for the Mellon Arena site with Majestic Star Casino owner Don Barden, who won the state license to build a Pittsburgh slots casino and will contribute money toward an arena. Fontana said the two sides have found "a middle ground" over the parking revenues and development rights.

Late last year, Rendell said he would work to keep the Penguins in Pittsburgh after state gambling regulators dismissed a casino proposal that would have built an arena entirely with slots money, state Gaming Control Board Chairman Tad Decker disclosed yesterday.

Decker told the Tribune-Review he talked with the governor after the board voted Dec. 20 to award Detroit-based Majestic Star the Pittsburgh slots license. The gambling board rejected a proposal by the Penguins' partner, St. Louis-based Isle of Capri Casinos, which had promised to pay $290 million for an arena if it became the licensee.

"Rendell guaranteed us they will not leave," Decker said. "He said, 'It might take a little more money. We're going to do whatever is necessary -- reasonably necessary -- to keep them in Pennsylvania.' "

Rendell's spokeswoman Kate Philips discounted Decker's remarks.

"The governor doesn't guarantee anything," she said. "It's just not his style."

Under an alternate financing plan headed by Rendell, Majestic Star has agreed to pay $7.5 million a year for 30 years toward an Uptown arena. The state would pay $7 million a year from a development fund backed by gambling money.

The Penguins would have paid $8.5 million up front and $2.9 million a year, while forgoing $1.16 million a year in naming rights. But Rendell has said the team's contribution was "significantly" reduced.

The arena would be built on property owned by the sports authority near Mellon Arena. The team's lease there ends in June.

Time has nearly run out on the Penguins' imposed 30-day deadline to complete an arena deal. They were expected to tell Kansas City officials by Feb. 4 whether they would relocate to play in the new Sprint Center starting next season.

The Penguins have not sought the National Hockey League's approval to relocate. The league repeatedly has stated its desire for the team to stay in Pittsburgh.

With the team at home through Saturday and Canadian news media in Pittsburgh for tonight's game against Montreal, officials might want to take advantage of the publicity and end the uncertainty, Fontana said.

"There is an opportunity to wrap this up nicely," Fontana said. "I could certainly see everybody wanting to get this settled while the parties are around."

Rendell was scheduled to be in Harrisburg today, Philips said.

Steelersfan
02-02-2007, 11:23 PM
Looking more and more like the Pens will be staying!

SteelCityMan786
02-03-2007, 09:51 AM
Unfortunately that was posted before this.
http://post-gazette.com/pg/07032/758616-61.stm


Rendell: Arena offer revised, but deal not close yet

Thursday, February 01, 2007
By Mark Belko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Gov. Ed Rendell said today that state and local officials have revised their offer to the Penguins on a new arena but are not close to a deal to keep the team in Pittsburgh.

Mr. Rendell disputed a published report saying that a new arena deal could be announced today or tomorrow.

"The statements that this is close to a done deal -- that is not correct," he said. "We have given the Penguins a revised offer but in no way shape or form have they indicated it's over."

The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review quoted state Sen. Wayne Fontana, a board member of the city-Allegheny County Sports & Exhibition Authority, which is involved in the negotiations, as saying an announcement could be made today or tomorrow.

The Penguins have declined comment on the talks.

At a press conference this morning, Pittsburgh Mayor Luke Ravenstahl said he believes the parties "are close" but would not put a time frame on completion of an agreement.

"This is something that, when we get the opportunity to speak once again, could happen at any time," he said. "Or it could also take a few more weeks. I don't want to put some kind of artificial time table or time frame on the deal, or the agreement. We're still, internally through the SEA, preparing documentation, and lease agreements, and everything associated with the deal, and will continue to do so. And when we get the chance to get back together, we'll be able to talk more specifically about the details of the deal."

Mr. Ravenstahl said state and local officials were "eagerly anticipating" another meeting with the team and said one could occur before the end of the week, although nothing has been scheduled so far.

SteelCityMan786
02-03-2007, 09:52 AM
http://post-gazette.com/pg/07033/758870-61.stm


Penguins receive revised offer for new arena from officials

Friday, February 02, 2007
By Mark Belko and Tom Barnes, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

State and local officials are continuing to tweak their offer to the Penguins, but have yet to complete a deal that will keep the team in Pittsburgh.

Gov. Ed Rendell said yesterday that he, Mayor Luke Ravenstahl and Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato have revised their offer to the team. But he added the two sides haven't completed a deal, contrary to one published report.

"We have given the Penguins a revised offer but in no way shape or form have they indicated it's over," he said. No details of the proposal were available.

The sides are hoping to set up a meeting next week, at which point they most likely will be trying to wrap up an agreement to build a new arena and keep the team in Pittsburgh under a 30-year lease.

Mr. Ravenstahl said he, Mr. Onorato and Mr. Rendell were "eagerly anticipating" their next meeting with the team. No date had been set up as of last night.

"This is something that, when we get the opportunity to speak once again, could happen at any time. Or it could also take a few more weeks. I don't want to put some kind of artificial timetable or time frame on the deal, or the agreement," he said.

The Penguins have declined comment on all aspects of the talks.

The team has set a soft 30-day deadline for deciding whether to accept a deal in Pittsburgh or seek to relocate to another city, most likely Kansas City, where a new $276 million arena opens next fall.

SteelCityMan786
02-03-2007, 09:56 AM
http://http://post-gazette.com/pg/07033/758954-61.stm


Penguins may accelerate Kansas City talks next week

Friday, February 02, 2007
By Mark Belko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Penguins may accelerate talks with officials in Kansas City sometime next week if they aren't able to soon conclude negotiations in Pittsburgh on a new arena deal, a source close to the team said today.

However, even if the team stepped up those efforts, it does not mean it would end negotiations with state and local politicians on a deal here, the source stressed. Talks would proceed simultaneously on both fronts.

The Penguins are facing a soft 30-day deadline, one that expires this weekend, in providing an answer to Kansas City officials. Representatives in that city are offering the team free use of the $276 million Sprint Center next season, no construction costs, and half of the building revenues.

At the same time, Gov. Ed Rendell, Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato and Mayor Luke Ravenstahl are trying to complete an agreement to build a new arena and keep the team here under the Plan B funding formula utilizing gambling revenues and contributions from the team.

Mr. Onorato told an Airport Area Chamber of Commerce breakfast crowd this morning that he is still optimistic about keeping the team. State and local officials earlier this week presented the Penguins with a revised offer that could serve as a basis for an agreement.

SteelCityMan786
02-03-2007, 09:57 AM
http://post-gazette.com/pg/07034/759140-61.stm


Penguins may revisit K.C. if talks here sputter

Saturday, February 03, 2007
By Mark Belko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

With Pittsburgh arena negotiations dragging on, the Penguins may step up talks next week with officials in Kansas City about a possible relocation.

Team officials will accelerate those negotiations if they are unable to complete substantially a deal with state and local leaders over the next few days or so to stay here, a source close to the Penguins said yesterday.

In Kansas City, the new $276 million Sprint Center will be ready to open this fall. To lure the team, officials are offering the Penguins a deal that includes no rent, no construction costs, no upfront payments, and half the building revenues.

After visiting the city Jan. 3 and 4, team co-owners Mario Lemieux and Ron Burkle said they would decide within 30 days whether to stay in Pittsburgh or look to relocate. That "soft" deadline expires this weekend.

Since that first visit, officials in Kansas City, including those affiliated with Anschutz Entertainment Group, which will manage the Sprint Center and share revenues with the team, have adjusted their offer to the Penguins, although no details were available yesterday.

However, the team has not pro-actively engaged in discussions about a possible relocation, concentrating instead on reaching a deal with Gov. Ed Rendell, Mayor Luke Ravenstahl and Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato to stay in Pittsburgh.

That could change in the next week or so if the two sides are unable to complete an agreement on financing a new building to replace Mellon Arena, the oldest in the National Hockey League.

The Penguins' current lease expires at the end of June, leaving the team free to move elsewhere.

Even if team officials step up talks with Kansas City, it does not mean they would end negotiations with state and local leaders here. Talks could proceed simultaneously on both fronts.

Neither AEG officials nor others in Kansas City could be reached for comment. The Penguins have declined comment on all aspects of the talks, both in Pittsburgh and elsewhere, and continued to do so yesterday.

No new negotiations have been scheduled so far. But the team and state and local leaders here are hoping to set up another round of talks next week, at which point they most likely will be seeking to wrap up a deal to keep the Penguins in Pittsburgh under a 30-year lease.

Neil deMause, co-author of "Field of Schemes," a book about stadium financing controversies, saw the Penguins' stepped-up interest in Kansas City as designed "to light a fire under Pittsburgh."

"It may or may not be true, but I don't think they would be telling you or anybody that if they weren't trying to use it as leverage," he said.

He described it as the bargaining equivalent of the two-minute warning in football. "Teams say this all the time and they mean it about 5 percent [of the time]," he said, adding he would be surprised if the Penguins don't end up staying in Pittsburgh.

Mr. Rendell said Thursday that state and local officials have revised their offer to the team, although no details were disclosed. He, Mr. Ravenstahl and Mr. Onorato are trying to reach a deal under Plan B, the funding formula that relies on gambling revenues and team contributions to build an arena.

Plan B previously had been altered to reduce the team's share. The Penguins originally were to contribute $2.9 million a year for 30 years, plus $1.16 million annually in naming rights.

But Mr. Rendell said last week the team's contribution is now a "fraction" of the $2.9 million the Pirates annually put into PNC Park. It's unknown how naming rights factors into that.

Mr. Ravenstahl said yesterday he still believes "there's issues with the numbers, and that's what we're discussing, and until we have the ability to say, or they have the ability to say yes, we're still in a negotiation stage."

Nonetheless, he said he was not disappointed with the pace of the talks.

"Certainly we want this issue resolved as quickly as possible, and I continue to work to do so. But I wouldn't see it as a setback in any way that we haven't had discussions this week. It's just a matter of logistics, and timing, and matching up schedules of all of those involved."

Even with possible Penguins' negotiations with Kansas City looming, state Sen. Wayne Fontana, a board member for the city-county Sports & Exhibition Authority, which is involved in the talks, said he still feels "very positive" that a deal will get done here.

"They've been exploring these options since the beginning. I imagine they will continue to do that until a deal's signed," he said.

Kate Philips, Mr. Rendell's spokeswoman, declined comment on the Kansas City developments.

SteelCityMan786
03-02-2007, 04:00 PM
:jump1: :jump1: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :danceshout: :danceshout: :danceshout: http://post-gazette.com/pg/07061/766358-100.stm

Rendell says arena deal 'very close' but adds caution
Governor says projected price has gone up

Friday, March 02, 2007
By Mark Belko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Gov. Ed Rendell said today that a deal with the Penuins to build a new arena is "very close" but cautioned the team could still end up in Kansas City.

The governor also revealed that the bond issue to fund a new arena has gone up $20 million.

Mr. Rendell made his comments before a speech this afternoon at Station Square.

"It's still somewhat precarious although I'm very optimistic that we're close," he said of the negotiations between the team and government officials.

"The attitude of the Penguins has convinced me that they want to stay here," he added.

National Hockey League Commissioner Gary Bettman has been involved in the talks for the past two to three weeks and has been serving as a go-between. He has been involved because he wanted "to see this brought to a head," Mr. Rendell said.

"I can only say we're making progress. We keep narrowing the issues and I think we're very close."

One continued stumbling block is the guaranteed maximum price of a new arena and how much the Penguins would pay for any cost overruns.

Mr. Rendell revealed the amount of a state bond issue anticipated to finance construction has risen $20 million to $290 million. He said that is necessary as a contingency in case the cost exceeds current projections. He said all parties would have to share the pain of the increase.

kgreen
03-03-2007, 09:57 AM
:jump1: :jump1: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :danceshout: :danceshout: :danceshout: http://post-gazette.com/pg/07061/766358-100.stm

Rendell says arena deal 'very close' but adds caution
Governor says projected price has gone up

Friday, March 02, 2007
By Mark Belko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Gov. Ed Rendell said today that a deal with the Penuins to build a new arena is "very close" but cautioned the team could still end up in Kansas City.

The governor also revealed that the bond issue to fund a new arena has gone up $20 million.

Mr. Rendell made his comments before a speech this afternoon at Station Square.

"It's still somewhat precarious although I'm very optimistic that we're close," he said of the negotiations between the team and government officials.

"The attitude of the Penguins has convinced me that they want to stay here," he added.

National Hockey League Commissioner Gary Bettman has been involved in the talks for the past two to three weeks and has been serving as a go-between. He has been involved because he wanted "to see this brought to a head," Mr. Rendell said.

"I can only say we're making progress. We keep narrowing the issues and I think we're very close."

One continued stumbling block is the guaranteed maximum price of a new arena and how much the Penguins would pay for any cost overruns.

Mr. Rendell revealed the amount of a state bond issue anticipated to finance construction has risen $20 million to $290 million. He said that is necessary as a contingency in case the cost exceeds current projections. He said all parties would have to share the pain of the increase.


This is certainly good news, but I'm still not convinced.:dunno:

TEEMONT
03-05-2007, 01:46 PM
Me either

Friday133
03-05-2007, 03:00 PM
Well based on today's news the Pens look to be as good as gone.

http://www.postgazette.com/pg/07064/767020-100.stm

Forged in Steel
03-05-2007, 03:08 PM
Well based on today's news the Pens look to be as good as gone.

http://www.postgazette.com/pg/07064/767020-100.stm

O shi* this isn't good! Shi*!

BlitzburghRockCity
03-05-2007, 03:12 PM
Damn this really sux, and from what it appears the Pens are bending over backwards to do all they can to make it work. So basically the Steelers and Buc's get new homes, all the Philly teams all get new homes recently yet the Pens are left high and dry. :(

Prosdo
03-05-2007, 03:14 PM
Rendell for you I suppose. This is absolutely frustrating. Why the hell can't they just agree on a freaking deal. No tax payers wanted PNC Park or Heinz Field yet we got both of them! WTF

Forged in Steel
03-05-2007, 03:30 PM
Rendell sucks. I don't know why people voted for him. They should have voted for Lynn Swann. I'm not just saying that because of the Penguins, I'm saying it because he has sucked before this crap with the new arena and he still sucks now! :willybs:

Prosdo
03-05-2007, 03:35 PM
I'm praying to God that this puts the screws to the PA government and they agree to an arena deal. This city cannot lose this team. Look how good they are for the city. The hottest team with the hottest young stars.

TEEMONT
03-05-2007, 04:32 PM
This sucks balls.....

SteelCityMan786
03-05-2007, 07:13 PM
Rendell sucks. I don't know why people voted for him. They should have voted for Lynn Swann. I'm not just saying that because of the Penguins, I'm saying it because he has sucked before this crap with the new arena and he still sucks now! :willybs:

Amen brother, Rendell had a 3% Job approval rating with me. That's about to drop to about a -10,000,000% Percent.

BlacknGold Bleeder
03-05-2007, 07:40 PM
This is all so unnecessary,all they had to do was give the license to IOC in the first place ,then it would have been a free arena,:banging:

Koopa
03-06-2007, 12:11 AM
kansas city penguins............. i wonder what they'll change the name too??? :lol: and i wonder what their new colors are gonna be :lol:

TEEMONT
03-06-2007, 12:15 AM
kansas city penguins............. i wonder what they'll change the name too??? :lol: and i wonder what their new colors are gonna be :lol:

Hey koop....eat a dick.

Koopa
03-06-2007, 12:39 AM
Hey koop....eat a dick.

hey stiller, grow up.......damn hypocrite.......

Steelersfan
03-06-2007, 12:45 AM
kansas city penguins............. i wonder what they'll change the name too??? :lol: and i wonder what their new colors are gonna be :lol:

Not nice at all Koopa! :nono:


Hey koop....eat a dick.

Not nice either Stillers! :nono:


hey stiller, grow up.......damn hypocrite.......

Koopa, you may not be a Pens fan or a hockey fan for that matter, but have a little respect for the people here who are. No fan wants to see their team moved.

Koopa
03-06-2007, 12:47 AM
blah blah blah..............now i can't even have fun without ppl crying.............damn might as well just stick to posting events in the casino cause ppl are so sensitive now a days

Steelersfan
03-06-2007, 12:52 AM
blah blah blah..............now i can't even have fun without ppl crying.............damn might as well just stick to posting events in the casino cause ppl are so sensitive now a days

Who is crying? It's about having a little respect. How would you feel if one of your favorite teams was threatening to move? Maybe the Spurs can go play in KC too right along side the Pens! See how you feel then.

Koopa
03-06-2007, 12:55 AM
Who is crying? It's about having a little respect. How would you feel if one of your favorite teams was threatening to move? Maybe the Spurs can go play in KC too right along side the Pens! See how you feel then.

the spurs did threaten to move, and i didn't cry about it, it's obvious i was joking, i don't know if y'all noticed the two :lol:

plus the spurs wouldn't move, san antonio gave them a new arena when they wanted it........

Steelersfan
03-06-2007, 12:57 AM
You don't get that people don't find this type of thing funny? There is a time and a place for that and this isn't one of them. A team moving is not funny to any fan.

BlacknGold Bleeder
03-06-2007, 12:59 AM
I don't think he meant anything by it , it's just some of Koop's twisted humor. :dunno:

Steelersfan
03-06-2007, 01:02 AM
I don't think he meant anything by it , it's just some of Koop's twisted humor. :dunno:

I'm sure it is BnG. But with something like this I don't see the humor in it. Making fun of a player, or a certain game, or a certain play is one thing. making fun of a team moving is another.

Koopa
03-06-2007, 01:12 AM
well i won't talk bad about kan...oops i mean pittsburgh penguins no more......

penguins rule all!!!!!

Steelersfan
03-06-2007, 01:16 AM
well i won't talk about how bad kan...oops i mean pittsburgh penguins no more......

penguins rule all!!!!!

Whatever.

Prosdo
03-06-2007, 03:51 AM
Penguins' arena negotiations on thin ice

Tuesday, March 06, 2007
By Mark Belko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Penguins dropped the gloves in negotiations over a new arena yesterday, declaring an impasse in the talks and saying they would "aggressively explore relocation."

The decision surprised Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato and Pittsburgh Mayor Luke Ravenstahl, both of whom insisted they thought the two sides were close to a deal to keep the team in Pittsburgh.

But Penguins co-owners Mario Lemieux and Ron Burkle painted a far different picture in a letter to Mr. Ravenstahl, Mr. Onorato and Gov. Ed Rendell, saying they still haven't been able to reach a deal even though they have agreed to pay $4 million a year toward a new arena -- the same amount demanded by public officials nearly a year ago.

"Therefore, we have no choice but to declare an impasse and to notify [National Hockey League] Commissioner Gary Bettman that we will aggressively explore relocation," the letter said. "This is a disappointing but necessary conclusion, given the uncertainty that exists as we attempt to move forward."

The decision could push the team closer to a move to Kansas City, where the Penguins have been offered the new $276 million Sprint Center rent-free with no construction costs and half the building revenues.

Toward that end, team officials may meet this week with representatives for the Anschutz Entertainment Group, which will manage the Sprint Center and share revenues with the team.

William "Boots" Del Biaggio, the California venture capitalist who has an agreement in place with AEG to run an NHL franchise at the Sprint Center in Kansas City if he can procure one, had no comment on the letter.

A source speaking on condition of anonymity said, "I just can't see them leaving Pittsburgh. I think they're still negotiating, and this is a way to get the governor's office serious about completing the final details."

AEG President Tim Lewieke told the Kansas City Star last weekend that there are dates on hold for the team, but added he would "be very surprised if Pittsburgh came Kansas City's way."

The Penguins' Mellon Arena lease expires June 30.

Declaring an impasse does not mean the team will move, and sources close to the Penguins would not rule out further talks with state and local officials.

Both Mr. Onorato and Mr. Ravenstahl vowed to reach out to the team to try to resolve the latest flare-up.

Officials were scrambling last night to try to set up a meeting with the Penguins later this week.

"At the end of the day, I think we all have the same interests in mind, and that is to get a deal done and to keep the Penguins in Pittsburgh. We are prepared to sit back down as soon as possible, and that could be as long or as short as the Penguins want it to be," Mr. Ravenstahl said.

Frank Brown, a spokesman for Mr. Bettman, said the commissioner, who has been serving as a go-between in the talks, is aware of the latest developments and is in touch with the parties.

"Any further comment at this point would not be constructive," he said.

A spokesman for Mr. Rendell, who declared the two sides "very close" to a deal last week, declined comment.

The mayor wouldn't rule out an appeal to the NHL to block a move if it came to that. He said public officials didn't believe they would have to use that option because "we feel that we have a competitive deal on the table."

"But certainly, if it's something that we have to resort to as a last-ditch effort, it's something we'd certainly consider before we let the team leave," he said.

In their letter, team owners said appeals filed by Isle of Capri Casinos Inc. and Forest City Enterprises over the Pittsburgh casino license Friday "cause us great concern." Both casino license winner Don Barden and Forest City had pledged $7.5 million a year toward the arena, but that major funding source is now tied up in litigation before the state Supreme Court.

"A project of this scope, with so many complex issues, can ill afford further delays that add more risk and more uncertainty," the letter stated. "The risk has been magnified by what we perceive as a lack of collaboration from the public sector in the negotiations."

The declaration of an impasse came even though the two sides appeared to be close to agreement on major financial terms.

In addition to the $7.5 million a year committed by Mr. Barden, the state has agreed to contribute $7.5 million a year from a gambling-backed economic development fund, an increase of $500,000 over the amount originally proposed in the Plan B funding formula.

That formula initially called for the Penguins to contribute $4 million a year, including $1.16 million annually in naming rights, plus an upfront contribution of $8.5 million.

By the time state and local officials met with Mr. Lemieux and Mr. Burkle Jan. 4, the team's share had dropped to $2.86 million a year, according to sources close to the Penguins. The upfront share would be covered by the sale of the Penguins-owned former St. Francis Central Hospital, needed for the new arena, to the city-county Sports & Exhibition Authority.

The Penguins' share later increased after local officials dropped a proposal to use amusement tax revenue to raise $1.2 million a year. That pushed the team share to $3.6 million a year, plus another $400,000 annually for capital expenses. The team also has agreed to pay $500,000 a year for a parking garage to be part of the arena complex.

Sources close to the Penguins say, however, it's not so much the financial terms as it is a perceived lack of collaboration from public officials that has led to the impasse. They said the tone from the public side has been unduly adversarial for the last two months, including a table-pounding outburst by Mr. Rendell during a Jan. 18 meeting.

The last straw, according to those sources, came Friday, when state officials refused to share interest rate information with the team regarding the financing of the arena. The Penguins believe the two pots of gambling related revenues, plus their share, should be enough to pay for a $290 million arena; state officials indicated there's still a gap.

While the Penguins complained about a lack of collaboration from public officials, Mr. Onorato said public officials have sensed the same adversarial tone from the Penguins.

"I would say that our feelings would probably be the exact same as theirs but in reverse," he said. "But I just assumed that's part of negotiation and you ultimately get to a point where both sides agree."

Neither he nor Mr. Ravenstahl saw the appeals of the casino license as a major impediment, pointing out that all three applicants had agreed to help finance an arena.

In their letter, Mr. Lemieux and Mr. Burkle said they had extended their deadline for replying to Kansas City officials by 30 days because they wanted to stay in Pittsburgh.

"Our good-faith efforts have not produced a deal, however, and have only added more anxiety to what we thought at best was a risky proposition for us moving forward," the letter stated.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07065/767149-61.stm

kgreen
03-06-2007, 08:43 AM
:cursin: :cursin: :cursin: Why do we have to lose our hockey team!!!!!:banging: :banging: :banging: :banging: :banging: :banging: :banging: :banging: :banging:

Yeah thanks alot Randell!!!! Kansas City sounds GREAT!!!!!:cursin: :cursin: :cursin: :cursin: :cursin: :cursin: :cursin:

BlacknGold Bleeder
03-06-2007, 08:55 AM
:cursin: What's so dam frustrating about all this is..... These government people don't seem to understand that the PENGUINS have twice been offered "free" rent, I.O.C. and in Kans-*** City, why in the hell don't they accept the PENGUINS 4 million a yr. and sign the contract !!! It should have never come this period. They politicians should have used the "pull" in the first place and got the Gaming board to approve I.O.C. and it's free offer!!:cursin: Now instead they are strong arming the PENGUINS for more money. :banging:

BBG7
03-06-2007, 09:04 AM
wow...this sucks. I will hate it if the Pens leave Pittsburgh

TEEMONT
03-06-2007, 09:26 AM
the spurs did threaten to move, and i didn't cry about it, it's obvious i was joking, i don't know if yinz noticed the two :lol:

plus the spurs wouldn't move, san antonio gave them a new arena when they wanted it........

Yup, smileys make everything better.

Prosdo
03-06-2007, 10:53 AM
Hopefully this is a tactic by the Penguins to force the hand of PA government. I hope to hell the government folds and agrees to a damn deal.

BBG7
03-06-2007, 11:29 AM
Hopefully this is a tactic by the Penguins to force the hand of PA government. I hope to hell the government folds and agrees to a damn deal.

I agree. I would hate to see the city lose the Pens. It would suck!

Prosdo
03-06-2007, 11:31 AM
Mayor 'reached out' to Penguins since getting letter
Still thinks deal is close but no talks set
Tuesday, March 06, 2007

By Rich Lord, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Pittsburgh Mayor Luke Ravenstahl said today that he and other elected leaders have "reached out" to the Penguins since receipt of yesterday's letter from the team declaring talks on a new arena to be at an impasse.

"I still believe that we are very close to getting this deal," he said. He and the team, Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato and Gov. Ed Rendell need to "sit down, talk about the specifics, find out where we're not in agreement, and go from there."

He said, though, that there is as yet no date and time set for a resumption of negotiations with the team. He would not provide details on who reached out to whom.

"They have become frustrated," he said of the team. "I can tell you that in many ways, we have become frustrated," he said of the elected officials.

Minutes before the mayor's news conference, mayoral challenger Councilman William Peduto charged that the failure of negotiations to produce a deal in more than two months was "what happens when you don't have someone who has experience" in the mayor's post.

Mr. Ravenstahl was a council member for nearly three years before ascending to the mayor's post.

Mr. Peduto said Mayor Tom Murphy led on development of PNC Park and Heinz Field, and Mr. Ravenstahl should have done the same.

"I'll continue to lend myself to those discussions as I have over the past months," countered the mayor. He said that no one elected leader can get an arena deal done, since the city and county control the land and the governor controls the money.

"Without the governor at the table, there's absolutely no way we could be in discussions to keep the team here," he said.

Mr. Peduto offered his services as a mediator but predicted that the mayor would not take him up on the offer.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07065/767234-100.stm

TEEMONT
03-06-2007, 11:39 AM
If the Pens move, I am going on a paintball assault spree. i will randomly shoot one person a day for the rest of my life.

Prosdo
03-06-2007, 11:41 AM
If they do leave please start with Rendell and video tape it for me lol.

Koopa
03-06-2007, 01:33 PM
If the Pens move, I am going on a paintball assault spree. i will randomly shoot one person a day for the rest of my life.

that sounds like fun.......i might just do it to do it lol

Black@Gold Forever32
03-06-2007, 01:48 PM
I'm not a big hockey fan. But I did follow the Pen back in the day when Super Mario played. I try to watch them when I can out here in Indiana since they do have that young exciting talent to watch. I just know it would be a shame for the Pens to leave the Burgh especially with the young talent they now have.

Hopefully they can strike a deal. The ball is also in the Pens court. I agree they deserve a new arena. Especially since both the Steelers and Pirates both got theirs.

BBG7
03-06-2007, 01:49 PM
If the Pens move, I am going on a paintball assault spree. i will randomly shoot one person a day for the rest of my life.

I hope I don't run into you on the street if this happens. Paintballs can hurt!!! :lol: :lol:

Hburg
03-06-2007, 02:36 PM
I heard on Sportscenter this morning that the Pens will move to Kansas City within two years and that Mario was quoted to have said

"We've done all that we can do."

The deal just fell through. I'm will y'all that it saddens me to see such a historical team leave Pittsburgh especially when they have such young talent on their team again, even if I don't seriously watch hockey.

BuFu

Prosdo
03-06-2007, 03:16 PM
Hmm... I didn't hear that. I heard they were pursuing other options. They made a deal with KC?

Prosdo
03-06-2007, 05:04 PM
Officials and the Pens meeting in the works for Thursday

Hburg
03-06-2007, 05:08 PM
Hmm... I didn't hear that. I heard they were pursuing other options. They made a deal with KC?

Just repeating what I heard on Sportscenter this morning. I was shocked when I heard the news.

BuFu

Prosdo
03-06-2007, 05:10 PM
No deal with Kansas City. They are suppose to meet with PA government Thursday and meeting with Houston and Las Vegas. Also Rendell said that if the Pens try to move they will talk to the NHL about blocking it.

SteelersfaninPhilly
03-06-2007, 05:30 PM
If the state can get there $hit together. The pens will not be able to move under NHL bylaws.

NHL bylaw 36

Under NHL bylaws concerning relocation of franchises, if there is an issue that would make a team viable in its current city -- such as a new arena -- and there is an ongoing plan to rectify that issue, the league likely will block a move.

kgreen
03-06-2007, 05:38 PM
Just repeating what I heard on Sportscenter this morning. I was shocked when I heard the news.

BuFu
I was: :cursin: :cursin: :cursin: :cursin: :cursin: :cursin:

Koopa
03-06-2007, 08:09 PM
No deal with Kansas City. They are suppose to meet with PA government Thursday and meeting with Houston and Las Vegas. Also Rendell said that if the Pens try to move they will talk to the NHL about blocking it.


if they move to houston i'd have me a new favorite hockey team :lol:

i doubt the nhl would block a move, it's giving hockey attention and a move would bring more fans even though they'd lose some lol

House of Steel
03-06-2007, 08:15 PM
This whole mess should of never esclated to this proportion had the State of PA would of approved the Isles of Capri's license. I am sick and tired of state politics sticking their noses where they shouldn't. My main question is, why the hell did the gambling commission in Harrisburg reject the license when the Isles of Capri was going to fund the money for a brand new state of the art arena for the Penguins? What bunch of *******s would ever turn an idea of this proportion down? Rendell is a damn joke for a governor if I ever seen one, I won't put him in the catagory of a former Buckeye Governor, one Bobby Taft. The NHL needs to get strict with the state, get the Penguins ownership, the city and the mayor government, along with Rendell and his men and get this deal finalized and sealed. THIS IS BULLSHIT!!!

SteelersfaninPhilly
03-06-2007, 08:41 PM
if they move to houston i'd have me a new favorite hockey team :lol:

i doubt the nhl would block a move, it's giving hockey attention and a move would bring more fans even though they'd lose some lol


Pens will not leave. Oh and Koopa, no one down south gives a dam about hockey.

kgreen
03-06-2007, 09:25 PM
Pens will not leave. Oh and Koopa, no one down south gives a dam about hockey.

They on ESPN this morning they are. :dunno:

SteelersfaninPhilly
03-07-2007, 12:40 AM
They on ESPN this morning they are. :dunno:


dude it is ESPN. They are not worth a dam.

Prosdo
03-07-2007, 07:18 AM
This is true. If the Pittsburgh news didn't report it I don't believe it lol.

BBG7
03-07-2007, 09:37 AM
They on ESPN this morning they are. :dunno:
I need more than that to believe it. If no one else is going with the story, that leads me to believe it's not true. Reporters have been known to sometimes get the story wrong....we saw this in our coaching saga this year alos.

House of Steel
03-07-2007, 09:39 AM
Don't believe a damn word, ESPN, says. They are scums. Skippy Bayless is a great example of a scum. I love to punch his gay *** at times.

TEEMONT
03-07-2007, 09:45 AM
It was in the Post-Gazette, but nothing on NHL.com yet.

http://www.postgazette.com/pg/07066/767364-53.stm

House of Steel
03-07-2007, 09:47 AM
This whole thing is bullshit. PENS BELONG IN PITTSBURGH and that is where they will play.

kgreen
03-07-2007, 11:30 AM
This whole thing is bullshit. PENS BELONG IN PITTSBURGH and that is where they will play.

I agree. Does Kansas City Peguins ring at all? I mean come on it has to be Pittsburgh. If the government can give the Pirates a new stadium, then why can't the Pens get one?!?:dunno:

BBG7
03-07-2007, 12:02 PM
It's all starting to get a little out of control. I really hope the politicians can give them what they want. The Pens belong in Pittsburgh..case closed!

Hburg
03-07-2007, 01:29 PM
If this were the Flyers Rendell would be all over it. Rendell doesn't give a damn about anything west of West Chester.

BuFu

SteelersfaninPhilly
03-07-2007, 01:57 PM
TSN.CA

Bettman to meet with Penguins
Gary Bettman

Gary Bettman

Darren Dreger

3/7/2007 11:56:18 AM

NHL commissioner Gary Bettman will meet with the Pittsburgh Penguins and all parties involved in the negotiation of a new arena Thursday in Philadelphia.

This meeting is considered key to the future of the franchise remaining in Pittsburgh. A source told TSN that the meeting is expected to bring ''closure, one way or another.''

The Penguins declared an impasse over arena negotiations with government officials on Monday and are looking at options to relocate the franchise. Kansas City is the leading candidate to land the Penguins as they have a brand new arena that is missing a tenant.

''Unfortunately, we still don't have a deal and are faced with mounting uncertainty that an agreement can be reached in a time frame that is realistic for our organization,'' the Penguins said in a letter to Pennsylvania governor Ed Rendell, Allegheny County chief executive Dan Onorato and Pittsburgh mayor Luke Ravenstahl. ''Therefore, we have no choice but to declare an impasse and to notify NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman that we will aggressively explore relocation.

''A project of this scope, with so many complex issues, can ill afford further delays that add more risk and more uncertainty. The risk has been magnified by what we perceive as a lack of collaboration from the public sector in the negotiations.

Click here to find out more!


''Our good faith efforts have not produced a deal, however, and have only added more anxiety to what we thought at best was a risky proposition for us moving forward.''

Hburg
03-07-2007, 04:55 PM
I promise to follow hockey hardcore forever if the Penguins stay in Pittsburgh!

BuFu

SteelCityMan786
03-07-2007, 09:20 PM
Hopefully Onorato, the Penguins, and all other parties involved with this negotiation are able to come to a deal TOMORROW.

House of Steel
03-07-2007, 09:22 PM
This is it, Do or DIE!!, RENDELL BETTER SAVE HIS *** and get that arena deal sealed for Pittsburgh or he is going to have a bullseye on his forehead from every Pittsburgher in the area. He is going to be a dead man ****ing us over.

SteelCityMan786
03-07-2007, 09:31 PM
This is it, Do or DIE!!, RENDELL BETTER SAVE HIS *** and get that arena deal sealed for Pittsburgh or he is going to have a bullseye on his forehead from every Pittsburgher in the area. He is going to be a dead man ****ing us over.

Amen to that, also people are going to be calling for his impeachment. Heck, I wouldn't mind Catherine Baker Knoll as our Governor. She'd do a better job then Eddie Jackass.

BBG7
03-07-2007, 11:08 PM
Houston out, KC sweetens deal. Tomorrow is it, it's the last chance we are going to get.

SteelersfaninPhilly
03-07-2007, 11:43 PM
Link?

Koopa
03-07-2007, 11:54 PM
Amen to that, also people are going to be calling for his impeachment. Heck, I wouldn't mind Catherine Baker Knoll as our Governor. She'd do a better job then Eddie Jackass.

ok......... not keeping a hockey team in town does not warrant a impeachment.... a governor has to worry about the whole state not just one city and it's hockey team............. the city of pittsburgh needs to get their act together and keep the penguins in town not the governor of Pennsylvania, i would hope he was focusing on more important stuff like better education for kids and stuff of that nature

SteelersfaninPhilly
03-07-2007, 11:57 PM
ok......... not keeping a hockey team in town does not warrant a impeachment.... a governor has to worry about the whole state not just one city and it's hockey team............. the city of pittsburgh needs to get their act together and keep the penguins in town not the governor of Pennsylvania, i would hope he was focusing on more important stuff like better education for kids and stuff of that nature


Koopa your not from Pa. So I expect you would not understand PA politics. Fast Eddie does not give a **** about anything west of delaware county in all honesty.

House of Steel
03-08-2007, 12:02 AM
I know that one, PHilly.

BBG7
03-08-2007, 12:05 AM
Link?

I just watched it on KDKA news at 11. They also showed KC reporters all over the news there seeming very optomistic and hopeful.

BBG7
03-08-2007, 12:08 AM
http://kdka.com/topstories/local_story_066104501.html
the video on this link is what I saw

SteelersfaninPhilly
03-08-2007, 12:15 AM
Thanks BBG7 I just cannot find any specifics on how exactly KC sweetened their deal.

BBG7
03-08-2007, 12:16 AM
They haven't said anything except that they seetened their deal and Houston got out.

SteelersfaninPhilly
03-08-2007, 12:28 AM
I'm just wondering how KC sweetened the deal.

BBG7
03-08-2007, 12:33 AM
I'm curious about it too???

BlacknGold Bleeder
03-08-2007, 12:34 AM
They were giving them a rent free arena... what are they gonna do ...pay them to play in it??

Hburg
03-08-2007, 12:45 AM
ok......... not keeping a hockey team in town does not warrant a impeachment.... a governor has to worry about the whole state not just one city and it's hockey team............. the city of pittsburgh needs to get their act together and keep the penguins in town not the governor of Pennsylvania, i would hope he was focusing on more important stuff like better education for kids and stuff of that nature


Koopa your not from Pa. So I expect you would not understand PA politics. Fast Eddie does not give a **** about anything west of delaware county in all honesty.

Exactly!! Rendell doesn't give a damn about the rest of the state unless it is some way to benefit Philadelphia. He's fine with exploiting places around the rest of the state with slots and gambling....again all feeding back to his precious Philadelphia....last I checked he is the Governor of Pennsylvania....not Governor of Philadelphia.

BuFu

SteelersfaninPhilly
03-08-2007, 12:46 AM
They were giving them a rent free arena... what are they gonna do ...pay them to play in it??


Pretty much. KC is offering 50% of all arena revenue to the pens.

House of Steel
03-08-2007, 12:48 AM
Man, I am sick of all of this. Rendell is going to have a death wish if he doesn't keep the Pens in Pittsburgh.

Koopa
03-08-2007, 12:56 AM
Exactly!! Rendell doesn't give a damn about the rest of the state unless it is some way to benefit Philadelphia. He's fine with exploiting places around the rest of the state with slots and gambling....again all feeding back to his precious Philadelphia....last I checked he is the Governor of Pennsylvania....not Governor of Philadelphia.

BuFu

well then, if that's the case, you young folks need to step up next election and get him out of office....... but it's not a governors job to keep a team in a city, i can understand y'all not liking him cause he seems like an ***, but again, penguins shouldn't be his responsibility the city of pittsburgh needs to step up

SteelersfaninPhilly
03-08-2007, 01:08 AM
well then, if that's the case, you young folks need to step up next election and get him out of office....... but it's not a governors job to keep a team in a city, i can understand y'all not liking him cause he seems like an ***, but again, penguins shouldn't be his responsibility the city of pittsburgh needs to step up


Koopa all politcans are the same. Or are you too young to realize this? Koopa, if a professional team is seeking funds from the public sector to build a new arena or stadium. The will local and state government will be involved. Taxpayer money you know. Or don't you work? So you do not pay taxes?

BlacknGold Bleeder
03-08-2007, 01:09 AM
. but it's not a governors job to keep a team in a city, i can understand y'all not liking him cause he seems like an ***, but again, penguins shouldn't be his responsibility the city of pittsburgh needs to step up

It's really a combination of city and state they both have to work together to find the necessary funding. If we lose the PENGUINS it will be perceived that Pittsburgh is somehow a 2nd rate city in his state.

Koopa
03-08-2007, 01:35 AM
well some of y'all are blaming it solely on him, where's the blame on the mayor and the other ppl from pitt?? and did y'all that live in pa vote??? if not, y'all have no right what so ever to complain

and philly, no i don't have a job, but i used too....and what does that have to do with anything???

SteelersfaninPhilly
03-08-2007, 02:05 AM
well some of y'all are blaming it solely on him, where's the blame on the mayor and the other ppl from pitt?? and did y'all that live in pa vote??? if not, y'all have no right what so ever to complain

and philly, no i don't have a job, but i used too....and what does that have to do with anything???


If have a job you pay taxes. Which means you should have a say in how the money is spent. Even voting does not help in some cases koopa. If the person you vote for does not win.

Koopa
03-08-2007, 02:09 AM
If have a job you pay taxes. Which means you should have a say in how the money is spent. Even voting does not help in some cases koopa. If the person you vote for does not win.

wouldn't the tax money come from the ppl that live in pitt??? you live in philly so you can't really complain since it isn't your tax money that is being spent there.....

Steelersfan
03-08-2007, 02:17 AM
No, that tax money would most likely come from both the state and city I would think.
What I don't understand is why people say it is a waste of money? Pro teams bring in a lot of revenue to local cities and that would most likely pay for any taxes on a new stadium.

House of Steel
03-08-2007, 09:49 AM
Dan got it all right. What I don't understand is why isn't Allegany County Commissioners and politicans getting involved in this? I haven't heard anything about them stepping up to the plate and putting this arena deal into motion. I know the mayor of Pittsburgh is doing everything possible to save the Penguins. On the Local level is where this deal is faltering. State level with Rendell being a complete jackass about this whole ordeal and the gambling commission turning down the Isles of Capri licensing got this whole mess started. You want to point the finger at someone, Point it right into Harrisburg. You heard me right, Harrisburg is the heart of this whole melee. I am totally disgusted about this. Pretty bad when the NHL has to get involved to settle such a easy task of setting the deal down on this. Pittsburgh loses the Penguins, that is going to hurt this city more than they will realize with the revenues as Dan pointed out and the tourism flow from the fans. I just don't get this at all, COMMON SENSE!!!! My biggest question is, WHY IN THE HELL DID THE PA GAMBLING COMMISSION DENY THE ISLES OF CAPRI THE LICENSING? That right there is the biggest stratch of the head BS I've ever heard, they was going to finance a new arena and everything. COMMON SENSE would of said, OH OK, here is your license, thanks for saving the PENS while your at it. This makes me sick.

Prosdo
03-08-2007, 10:48 AM
I'm with you HoS. 290 million dollars worth of free money? The city would have a free all purpose arena. I don't see how it was a bad deal. I'm still convinced Don Barden got the license for one reason.

Koopa
03-08-2007, 11:30 AM
No, that tax money would most likely come from both the state and city I would think.
What I don't understand is why people say it is a waste of money? Pro teams bring in a lot of revenue to local cities and that would most likely pay for any taxes on a new stadium.

well when the spurs wanted a new arena they just raised the hotel and car rental taxes to pay for it

and then when the florida marlins wanted to move, san antonio was a possible destination and to build them a new ball park they were gonna raise the hotel and car rental taxes........ i seriously doubt they'd use ppls taxes that don't even live close to pittsburgh.........

Prosdo
03-08-2007, 11:36 AM
well when the spurs wanted a new arena they just raised the hotel and car rental taxes to pay for it

and then when the florida marlins wanted to move, san antonio was a possible destination and to build them a new ball park they were gonna raise the hotel and car rental taxes........ i seriously doubt they'd use ppls taxes that don't even live close to pittsburgh.........

The worse thing we wouldn't even have to worry about this if the Gaming Commission gave IOC the license.

SteelerFan87
03-08-2007, 01:43 PM
well some of y'all are blaming it solely on him, where's the blame on the mayor and the other ppl from pitt??

Well mayor Ravenstahl just became mayor and had this whole thing dumped in his lap. He wants to Pens to stay, but there isn't really much he can do. Onoroto and Rendell are the ones who have gotten involved the most, and both of them are screwing around. Rendell even brought Don Barden, the guy who got the slots liscence in, because Barden wants a share of the revenue. How ridiculous is that? It's a slap in the face of the Pens.

And yeah, the PA Gaming Control Board is retarded. Who gives such an important liscense to someone just because you think they have "charisma"??? And the fact that they didn't think Isle of Capri was going to really pay for the arena, even though there was a CONTRACT, and they thought the non-existant Plan B was a better option is just ridiculous.

Prosdo
03-08-2007, 02:35 PM
Officials arriving in Philly for pivotal arena talks
Thursday, March 08, 2007

By Mark Belko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

PHILADELPHIA -- Negotiating teams began arriving here this afternoon in advance of a pivotal session between Penguins team owners and government officials.

A spokesman for Gov. Edward Rendell said he remained "guardedly optimistic" that the session would lead to an agreement on funding a new arena in Pittsburgh.

"If everybody rolls their sleeves up and comes in with a positive attitude, this thing can get done," said Chuck Ardo.

Mary Conturo of the Pittsburgh-Allegheny County Sports & Exhibition Authority and Dennis Davin, the county's economic development director, were among the early arrivals. They have been involved in talks with the Penguins for months.

County Chief Executive Dan Onorato and Mayor Luke Ravenstahl were expected to arrive later.

The meeting is being held in Philadelphia because National Hockey League Commissioner Gary Bettman had late meetings in New York this afternoon and it was faster for him to get here than to get to Pittsburgh.

The meeting was tentatively set to start at 5:30 or 6.

Neither side has said where the meeting will be held, and reporters were told to assemble in Philadelphia's City Hall to await statements after the session.

The meeting comes as Kansas City has sweetened its offer to try to lure away the Penguins and as Houston has withdrawn from the competition because of Kansas City's new bid. Team officials were also in Las Vegas this week.

Kansas City had been offering free rent and half the building revenue in its nearly finished new arena, but the specifics of its new offer aren't known.


http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07067/767915-61.stm

SteelersfaninPhilly
03-08-2007, 03:41 PM
I heard the actual meetings are not starting til 6pm.

Hburg
03-08-2007, 04:10 PM
well then, if that's the case, you young folks need to step up next election and get him out of office....... but it's not a governors job to keep a team in a city, i can understand y'all not liking him cause he seems like an ***, but again, penguins shouldn't be his responsibility the city of pittsburgh needs to step up

Koopa, I ain't even two years your junior, I did step up but Rendell got voted in again. He's a horrible governor and I hope to get him out of office ASAP. Seems to me crony-ism is more important to him since he is fine with putting slots up all around the state (one location not even a half-hour from my house) but not unless the money being pocketed by his own people, example: Isle of Capri is seemingly being ignored.


It's really a combination of city and state they both have to work together to find the necessary funding. If we lose the PENGUINS it will be perceived that Pittsburgh is somehow a 2nd rate city in his state.

To Rendell Pittsburgh is a second rate city, I don't think he even toured much at all through the city when he was running for governor all his focus is on Philadelphia.

BuFu

SteelersfaninPhilly
03-08-2007, 04:13 PM
Rendell was a former mayor of Phila. He made sure Phila carried him in the election. Rendell unfortunatly did not have any interest in seeing Isle of Capri win the license.

House of Steel
03-08-2007, 06:52 PM
Go Figure, the ****ing meetings are in Rendell's kiss *** city, PHILADELPHIA. :bigfinger:

SteelersfaninPhilly
03-08-2007, 09:59 PM
Bettman begged for both parties to continue to talk. Ugg Pens scheduled follow up meeting with KC for Saturday march 10. Someone on espn.com mb is claiming expect an annoucment within an hour. Claims pens are staying

Steelersfan
03-08-2007, 10:09 PM
In the Pens thread you said it wasn't looking good?

SteelersfaninPhilly
03-08-2007, 10:16 PM
In the Pens thread you said it wasn't looking good?

Well I'm trying to gather information here and not having luck. For sure they are scheduled to meet with KC on Saturday March 10.

Things were not looking good. Bettman had to beg the parties to stay. Now who the hell knows.

Steelersfan
03-08-2007, 10:20 PM
OK, just wondering if something new came up between posts.

Now get in the poker room!.....lol

SteelersfaninPhilly
03-08-2007, 11:10 PM
OK, just wondering if something new came up between posts.

Now get in the poker room!.....lol



Barring a major change in direction. Say hello KC. Lat ditch attempt to save this all. Is being made.

BBG7
03-08-2007, 11:28 PM
not sounding good

House of Steel
03-08-2007, 11:31 PM
This whole thing goes back to the Isles of Capri.

SteelersfaninPhilly
03-08-2007, 11:36 PM
In a joint statement from Philadelphia, Penguin and elected officials have announced significant progress has been made in arena talks. Details to come.


Source KDKA

House of Steel
03-08-2007, 11:42 PM
:pray: This better be the end of the ordeal that the PENS ARE STAYING IN THE BURGH!!!!! :pray:

TEEMONT
03-08-2007, 11:48 PM
Looks like the plan to meet next Wednesday.....how much you wanna bet they make a deal with KC before then?

http://www.postgazette.com/pg/07067/767915-100.stm

Penguins, arena talks make 'progress'; parties to meet again next week

Thursday, March 08, 2007
By Mark Belko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

PHILADELPHIA - Stating "significant" progress had been made on a deal for a new arena home for the Penguins, a spokesman for Gov. Ed Rendell brought the curtain down on tonight's talks among team officials and state and local leaders, saying the meeting would resume next Wednesday.

Tonight's high-stakes meeting was viewed as possibly deciding the team's future in Pittsburgh.

"We had a very constructive meeting where significant progress was made," said Chuck Ardo, the governor's spokesman tonight. "The parties have agreed to meet again next Wednesday. They also have agreed that no further comment will be made."

Penguins co-owners Mario Lemieux and Ron Burkle and Gov. Ed Rendell, Pittsburgh Mayor Luke Ravenstahl and Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato convened about 7 p.m. at a secret location in Philadelphia, hoping to hammer out a deal that has escaped completion for more than two months.

Aiding the effort was National Hockey League Commissioner Gary Bettman, who traveled from New York to be part of the session, the first meeting involving both Mr. Lemieux and Mr. Burkle since Jan. 4.

The hastily arranged talks came four days after the two owners declared an impasse in negotiations and vowed to aggressively explore a move. Since then, Kansas City, which will open the $276 million Sprint Center this year, has sweetened an offer for the team that already includes free rent and a split of the building revenues.

The offer was so good that Houston, one of the cities interested in the Penguins, dropped out of the bidding.

Despite the Penguins' vow to pursue other cities, Chuck Ardo, Mr. Rendell's spokesman, said before the meeting the governor was "guardedly optimistic" that public officials could finish the deal at the gathering. He, Mr. Onorato and Mr. Ravenstahl have said they thought the parties were close to an agreement.

"If everybody rolls their sleeves up and comes in with a positive attitude, this thing can be done," Mr. Ardo said.

At the same time, Mr. Rendell and Mr. Ravenstahl would not rule out an appeal to the NHL to block a move by the Penguins, given the team's passionate fan base in Pittsburgh, which has led to sellout after sellout, and the arena deal on the table.

Mr. Ardo described the start of the meeting as "serious and business-like." He viewed the fact that the two sides were continuing to talk after more than three hours at the table as a "good sign."

"It's indicative that they found more things to talk about. It's certainly reflective of the fact that nobody walked in and made demands that would cause the other side to walk away," he said.

The Penguins have offered to put up $4 million a year toward the arena - the same amount Mr. Rendell requested from them a year ago. The team contribution would include $3.6 million a year in rent and $400,000 annually for capital improvements.

It also agreed to pay $500,000 a year for a parking garage as part of the arena complex.

Despite that, the parties have been unable to reach a deal. The rest of the arena funding would come from Pittsburgh casino licensee Don Barden and from a gambling-financed state economic development fund. Each would contribute $7.5 million a year.

In a letter declaring the impasse, Mr. Lemieux and Mr. Burkle said they were concerned about the appeals of the casino license award to Mr. Barden, saying the litigation creates more uncertainty in the financing of the arena.

The Penguins had formed a partnership with Isle of Capri Casinos Inc. in its unsuccessful bid for the license. Isle of Capri, which pledged $290 million for an arena as part of its proposal, is one of those appealing the award.

Sources close to the team also have complained about the treatment Penguins negotiators have received from public officials, which included a table-pounding outburst by Mr. Rendell Jan. 18. Last week, the state refused to share interest rate information with the team, creating even more friction.

The letter declaring an impasse came even though Mr. Rendell, Mr. Onorato, and Mr. Ravenstahl thought the parties were close to a deal.

Among the remaining issues were how to pay for an extra $20 million added as a contingency to a proposed arena bond issue. The additional funding increased the bond issue from $270 million to $290 million.

The parties also were in dispute over who would pay if the guaranteed maximum price for the arena exceeds the pool of available funds.

Mr. Rendell said the parties had all but settled difference over development rights to the site of Mellon Arena, which would be demolished, and parking revenues.

After declaring the impasse, the Penguins, led by Mr. Burkle, visited with Las Vegas Mayor Oscar Goodman Wednesday and talked with officials with Anschutz Entertainment Group, which will manage the Sprint Center in Kansas City.


More details in tomorrow's Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

House of Steel
03-08-2007, 11:55 PM
Damn I hate Governor Rendell. He is going to be murdered if the Pens move to Kansas City, I am certain of that. Death wishes gallore. Granted, I don't live in Pennsylvania, but damnit, having that Isles of Capri License being turned down was a real kick in the ***. That is the most stupidest move in any state legislative history to turn down a $290 Million dollar contract to build a state of the art arena guarantee to generate a cash flow for the city of Pittsburgh. I am still stratching my head over this. You have no idea how dumbfounded I am to figure that out.

Friday133
03-12-2007, 11:44 PM
Penguins, officials reach deal on arena

Monday, March 12, 2007
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Cancel the movers. The Penguins aren't going anywhere.

Sources close to the negotiations say that the team has an agreement with state and local leaders for a new arena that will be ready for the 2009-10 season.

The terms of the agreement call for a 30-year lease and spell out contributions from the team, the state and from gambling revenues.

A formal announcement is expected sometime tomorrow, prior to the Penguins home game at 7:30 p.m. against the Buffalo Sabres. More details to come.


From the PG, THE PENS ARE STAYING!

Hburg
03-12-2007, 11:49 PM
Ok everyone, just as a I promised I will start to follow hockey again! And I will follow the Pittsburgh Penguins!

So what do you guys think? A Crosby or Malkin jersey?

BuFu

Friday133
03-12-2007, 11:51 PM
Wait till next year, Reebok is changing all the jerseys, but I would go with Staal.

House of Steel
03-12-2007, 11:51 PM
Crosby!!!

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PENS ARE STAYING IN THE BURGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :tt02: :tt02: :tt02:

BlitzburghRockCity
03-12-2007, 11:52 PM
Wahhooo!!! Congrats to the Pens and thank you to everyone who made this happen !!!

BlacknGold Bleeder
03-13-2007, 12:01 AM
I believe it can best be summed up by these words from an old coach:


IT'S A GREAT DAY FOR HOCKEY


Badger Bob Johnson

As far as shirts ...Stahl

Hburg
03-13-2007, 12:27 AM
Wait till next year, Reebok is changing all the jerseys, but I would go with Staal.

Do you know what the changed jerseys are going to look like? Why do people recommend Stahl over Crosby or Malkin?

TG, what happened to the Hershey Bears logo you used to sport? I was thinking of getting a Hershey Bears Home jersey.

BuFu

BlacknGold Bleeder
03-13-2007, 12:32 AM
Everybody is sporting Crosby and Malkin... with good reason!! Somehow or another I just don't see you Hburg following the crowd...:lol:

TEEMONT
03-13-2007, 01:22 AM
Sweet!

Steelersfan
03-13-2007, 01:26 AM
This is great news!!

Koopa
03-13-2007, 01:30 AM
i'm gonna jump ship and just be a penguins fan since my loyalties to a hockey team doesn't really lay anywhere, the stars being my team are more of a defualt cause they are in texas :lol:

hell i'm starting to know more about the penguins then i do the stars, hell i don't even know who the star player on the stars is and i don't even know the stars record lol

BBG7
03-13-2007, 02:54 AM
That is the best news I have heard all day. Even though I don't live in the Burgh, I couldn't bear the thought of the Pens not being there!!! The Pens are staying....yeah!!!!

kgreen
03-13-2007, 08:48 AM
30 YEAR LEASE!!!!!!!!:thewave: :thewave: :jump1: :jump1: :jump1: :jump1: :jump1: :jump1: :jump1: :jump1: :jump1: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

Friday133
03-13-2007, 09:31 AM
Do you know what the changed jerseys are going to look like? Why do people recommend Stahl over Crosby or Malkin?

TG, what happened to the Hershey Bears logo you used to sport? I was thinking of getting a Hershey Bears Home jersey.

BuFu

I'm not sure on what the change will be from a logo standpoint if any change at all. However the jerseys are going to be sleaker, more tight fitting. Not sure though on what would change for the customer.

Hburg
03-13-2007, 03:43 PM
Everybody is sporting Crosby and Malkin... with good reason!! Somehow or another I just don't see you Hburg following the crowd...:lol:

:lol: Very true, I haven't established a pattern of doing so have I?


i'm gonna jump ship and just be a penguins fan since my loyalties to a hockey team doesn't really lay anywhere, the stars being my team are more of a defualt cause they are in texas :lol:

hell i'm starting to know more about the penguins then i do the stars, hell i don't even know who the star player on the stars is and i don't even know the stars record lol

Do eeeeeett! You can jump ship and start following the Pens with me.


I'm not sure on what the change will be from a logo standpoint if any change at all. However the jerseys are going to be sleaker, more tight fitting. Not sure though on what would change for the customer.

Tighter fitting? No! I like my clothes baggy and comfortable! :lol:

I actually like the 90s jerseys and logo although the old school Penguin skating logo is cool too to me.

BuFu

Koopa
03-13-2007, 04:03 PM
PITTSBURGH (AP) - The Pittsburgh Penguins reached a financing deal for a new arena that will keep the NHL team in the city where it has played since 1967.

Gov. Ed Rendell announced the agreement Tuesday at the Pennsylvania Gaming Congress. He said money from the state's new slot machine parlors would help fund the arena.

Rendell said he would fly to Pittsburgh later in the day to meet with Mayor Luke Ravenstahl, Allegheny County Executive Dan Onorato, the team owners and NHL commissioner Gary Bettman.

"We will announce that all three governmental entities have reached an agreement for a deal that will keep the Penguins in Pittsburgh" for 30 years, he said.

The Penguins had threatened to leave Pittsburgh if they couldn't secure a new rink. Their lease at 46-year-old Mellon Arena, the oldest facility in the league, expires June 30 and the team is free to leave after that.

Team officials visited Kansas City, Mo., and Las Vegas to discuss a possible move. The Penguins were offered free rent and half of all revenues if they agreed to play in Kansas City's soon-to-be-completed $262 million Sprint Center.

The Penguins won Stanley Cup titles in 1991 and 1992. Their home attendance and local TV ratings are among the strongest of the NHL's 24 U.S. franchises.

Kevin Evanto, a spokesman for Onorato, declined to discuss the deal. Spokesmen for the mayor and the Penguins did not immediately return calls.

The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported the arena would be completed by the start of the 2009-10 season. The Penguins would pay $3.8 million a year for construction and $400,000 annually for unspecified capital improvements, the newspaper reported, citing unidentified sources.

The Penguins have sought a new arena for years. Last year, the team announced a deal with Isle of Capri Casinos Inc. that called for the company to build a $290 million arena at no cost to the team or taxpayers if the gambling firm got a state license to operate a slots casino in the city.

But the Pennsylvania Gaming Control Board in December awarded the license to Detroit casino magnate Don Barden, and the Penguins were forced to negotiate with government officials for a new arena.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nhl/story/6544654

Prosdo
03-13-2007, 05:29 PM
I am so freaking happy!!!!! WOOHOO!!!!

BBG7
03-13-2007, 07:14 PM
LETS GO PENS!!!!

Koopa
03-13-2007, 07:46 PM
Do eeeeeett! You can jump ship and start following the Pens with me.



lol, i might as well, i know more about the penguins then i do the stars, and they are growing on me because of this site, so i guess i might as well just follow the penguins from now on

Hburg
03-13-2007, 08:03 PM
lol, i might as well, i know more about the penguins then i do the stars, and they are growing on me because of this site, so i guess i might as well just follow the penguins from now on

Well then change the logo from Stars to Penguins.....

BuFu

Koopa
03-13-2007, 08:06 PM
Well then change the logo from Stars to Penguins.....

BuFu


i will when my interest comes in

Hburg
03-13-2007, 09:01 PM
i will when my interest comes in

And when is that? :looks at clock:

BuFu

Koopa
03-13-2007, 09:04 PM
And when is that? :looks at clock:

BuFu

in an hour lol

Hburg
03-13-2007, 09:08 PM
in an hour lol

You got 'til 10:08PM man. :lol:

BuFu

Koopa
03-13-2007, 09:12 PM
there i got it, i was waiting for nothing, it was free for me lol, i don't know if it's free for everyone though lol....

Hburg
03-13-2007, 09:17 PM
there i got it, i was waiting for nothing, it was free for me lol, i don't know if it's free for everyone though lol....

How the hell was it free? Ok, since you switched I'll put up a logo to support them like I promised (http://www.steeleraddicts.com/forum/showpost.php?p=79783&postcount=68).

BuFu

Hburg
03-14-2007, 11:21 AM
They just showed the highlights from last night's game in Pittsburgh and Mario announcing that the Penguins are staying in Pittsburgh!

BuFu

Prosdo
03-14-2007, 12:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtKKS7j76o0

You got to love this guy!

BBG7
03-14-2007, 03:48 PM
that was an awesome moment. Thanks for posting it Prosdo!

Koopa
03-14-2007, 05:08 PM
DON'T STOP BELIEVING

lol, damn that crowd was crazy lol......

TEEMONT
03-18-2007, 11:40 PM
man...they really played Journey? lol....That is soooooo 'burgh style.