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NeilPatrickBanana
12-28-2012, 11:13 AM
Here are 12 reasons that have been brought up for the Steelers failure this year. Rank these 12 reasons in order of magnitude.

- Tomlin Head Coaching ability
- Todd Haley System
- Todd Haley Play Calling
- Dick Lebeau System
- Ben Roethlisberger (post injury)
- Oline Ability
- Injuries
- Lack of Running Game
- Lack of Player Leadership
- Lack of Pass Rush
- Lack of Impact Players - Defense
- Lack of Impact Players - Offense

Stone
12-28-2012, 11:20 AM
Here are 12 reasons that have been brought up for the Steelers failure this year. Rank these 12 reasons in order of magnitude.

- Tomlin Head Coaching ability
- Todd Haley System
- Todd Haley Play Calling
- Dick Lebeau System
- Ben Roethlisberger (post injury)
- Oline Ability
- Injuries
- Lack of Running Game
- Lack of Player Leadership
- Lack of Pass Rush
- Lack of Impact Players - Defense
- Lack of Impact Players - Offense

- Tomlin Head Coaching ability (no motivation, no fire, no leadership)
- Todd Haley System
- Oline Ability
- Lack of Player Leadership
- Todd Haley Play Calling
- Lack of Use of the Running Game
- Lack of Impact Players - Defense
- Lack of Pass Rush
- Dick Lebeau System (slow LB's in coverage, and timing of schemes)
- Injuries
- Ben Roethlisberger (post injury)




- Lack of Impact Players - Offense

NeilPatrickBanana
12-28-2012, 11:41 AM
1. Ben Roethlisberger (post injury) - Losses to SD, Dal, Cin
2. Lack of Player Leadership - No one has filled the Farrior/Ward void
3. Dick Lebeau System - Losses to Ten and Oak
4. Lack of Impact Players (Defense) - Takeaways and Sacks simply too few
5. Lack of Pass Rush - No consistent threats
6. Tomlin Head Coaching ability - Loss to Ten
7. Injuries - Losses to Cle and Bal. The only injury a team can't overcome is at QB.
8. Oline Ability - Young and Injured, but better than the last few years
9. Lack of Running Game - Not an issue for other contenders (GB)
10. Todd Haley Play Calling - Prior to Ben injury, best 3rd down offense in football, Red zone still an issue
11. Lack of Impact Players (Offense) - They simply underperformed (Wallace, Brown)
12. Todd Haley System - Ben was MVP candidate before injury

Crash
12-28-2012, 12:09 PM
Hahahahahahaha Haley at the bottom of your list is laughable.

Zachintosh66
12-28-2012, 01:05 PM
1. - Tomlin Head Coaching ability (no motivation, no fire, no leadership)
2. - Injuries
3. - LACK OF GROOMING YOUNG GUYS TO BE ABLE TO STEP IN AND PLAY WHEN NEEDED
4. - Lack of Player Leadership
5. - Lack of Pass Rush
6. - Lack of Use of the Running Game
7. - Oline Ability & Talent
8. - Todd Haley Play Calling & System
9. - Ben Roethlisberger (post injury)
10. - Dick Lebeau System (slow LB's in coverage, and timing of schemes)

I added one of my own (then combined the Haley ones into itself)

Great Post BTW +1

NeilPatrickBanana
12-28-2012, 02:49 PM
Hahahahahahaha Haley at the bottom of your list is laughable.

You know you look like an idiot when you rip Haley in one thread, and then in another you are talking about how Ben was an MVP candidate before his injury

Crash
12-28-2012, 04:04 PM
You know you look like an idiot when you rip Haley in one thread, and then in another you are talking about how Ben was an MVP candidate before his injury

Because of 3rd down Ben, not because of Haley.

Ben saved Haley's *** on 3rd down all year.

What was 3rd down like when Ben wasn't playing?

The play-calling in that Bengals game should get Haley fired Monday at Noon.

If it doesn't? The Rooney's don't want to win and Ben will play elsewhere.

NeilPatrickBanana
12-28-2012, 04:19 PM
Because of 3rd down Ben, not because of Haley.

Ben saved Haley's *** on 3rd down all year.


Careful, your chronic stupidity is showing


What was 3rd down like when Ben wasn't playing?

Pretty bad, like most teams when they have a 38 yr old backup playing


The play-calling in that Bengals game should get Haley fired Monday at Noon.

Who audibled to a run on 3rd and 2 in the 3rd Q vs Cin? Haley or Ben?
(Ben)

Who calls the plays during the no huddle?
(Ben)

Who threw 4 picks in the last 3 games from the no huddle?
(Ben)


If it doesn't? The Rooney's don't want to win and Ben will play elsewhere.
Among all the plainly unintelligent stuff you blather on about regarding the actual game of football... this nugget of social commentary is an especially stupid inference.

Crash
12-28-2012, 04:25 PM
Who called a WR screen, and three runs from the Steelers 46 with 3 minutes to go?

Haley.

Who called two run plays on our only two 1st down red zone plays all day?

Haley.

Who called a 3rd and 2 FADE PATTERN with Byron ****ing Leftwich in the red zone?

Haley.

If Haley stays, Ben won't.

Crash
12-28-2012, 04:26 PM
Pretty bad, like most teams when they have a 38 yr old backup playing

Leftwich isn't 38.

Crash
12-28-2012, 04:33 PM
What's sad is Haley opened up the offense MORE with backup QBs than he did with Ben.

Why? You'd have to ask him.

Me? It's because they wanted to keep Ben upright so they can trade him.

NeilPatrickBanana
12-28-2012, 05:10 PM
Who called a WR screen, and three runs from the Steelers 46 with 3 minutes to go?

Haley.

Who threw that pass in the dirt? Ben
Who didn't deliver the ball and scrambled on 3rd down, coming up short? Ben
Was one of those runs for 14 yards? Yes


Who called two run plays on our only two 1st down red zone plays all day?

Haley.

Did one of those run plays come after a 20 yard scamper? Yes
What did Ben do on 2nd and 3rd down in those red zone situations? Nothing
Who failed on 3rd down and goal leading to the missed FG? Ben
Who got sacked pushing them back? Ben


Who called a 3rd and 2 FADE PATTERN with Byron ****ing Leftwich in the red zone?

Haley.

What's wrong with that call? I'll take a single coverage fade pattern over a lot of other options in that situation.


If Haley stays, Ben won't.

This is a comical position. About NYC agrees. You *** handers are always on the same page.

Crash
12-28-2012, 05:18 PM
Keep talking. And then when he goes you'll see.

Ben's not going to let Rooney waste the last 4 years of his career with his 1975 offense.

I wish Druckenmiller would have bought them out.


What's wrong with that call?

Let's see, a difficult touch pass with the QB on the roster that lacks any.

Real smooth call.

NeilPatrickBanana
12-28-2012, 05:24 PM
Keep talking. And then when he goes you'll see.

Ben's not going to let Rooney waste the last 4 years of his career with his 1975 offense.

I wish Druckenmiller would have bought them out.



Let's see, a difficult touch pass with the QB on the roster that lacks any.

Real smooth call.

You'll see back ups given that play call, in that situation, all the time. It's a relatively safe pass. The read can be made pre-snap (single coverage), the route has a low turnover rate. It's not a difficult pass.

That's a really dumb criticism.

It doesn't go unnoticed when you ignore all the other comments.

Nolrog
12-28-2012, 09:05 PM
I think it's unfair to criticize Haley after such a short time. These things don't turn over night. Especially when one of your top WRs misses all of training camp doesn't learn the offense with the rest of the team. The OL has been one big pile of injuries and the RB situation is a disaster.

In the first part of the season, Ben was having an excellent year, potential MVP candidate. You cannot just dismiss the impact of the OC on that. It was clear to me that he was working on making Wallace a more complete receiver, instead of the guy who runs the fly or the post every play. There was some progress, but Wallace didn't have a great year hanging on to the ball. And Heath had his best year since 2009.

Haley had to work with what they had. Now he'll be able to work with Tomlin and Colbert to identify players that fit his system better and they could work on drafting them. At the end of next year, we'll have a better idea where this is all going.

Crash
12-28-2012, 09:53 PM
In the first part of the season, Ben was having an excellent year, potential MVP candidate.

Because he was making up for absolute **** playing calling with stellar play on 3rd down.

That all changed when he came back. Haley did NOTHING to make it easier and ease him in.

His answer for everything is run up the middle.

Zachintosh66
12-28-2012, 09:56 PM
Neither Ben or haley is going anywhere... so back on topic! :)

Crash
12-28-2012, 10:11 PM
We'll see. Arians (Or Cowher) get a job in the NFC? All bets are off.

Nolrog
12-28-2012, 10:23 PM
Because he was making up for absolute **** playing calling with stellar play on 3rd down.

That all changed when he came back. Haley did NOTHING to make it easier and ease him in.

His answer for everything is run up the middle.

Your hatred of Haley is making you irrational.

Crash
12-28-2012, 11:12 PM
Your hatred of Haley is making you irrational.


Oh yeah?

Dalton picked off to start the 2nd half, FINALLY a drive to start on the other side of the 50 via turnover.

1st and 10 at CIN 32 J.Dwyer left guard to CIN 28 for 4 yards (R.Maualuga).
2nd and 6 at CIN 28 J.Dwyer left guard to CIN 29 for -1 yards (M.Johnson, D.Peko).
3rd and 7 at CIN 29 (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger sacked at CIN 37 for -8 yards (sack split by C.Dunlap and G.Atkins).
________________________

Two runs, one pass. No attacking the defense.

Next drive from the Steelers 33:

Ben hits Miller for 22, Wallace for 13 on 2nd and 7, then a stupid Wallace reverse for -1 yard, and then Ben hits a 6 yarder on second down and then a 13 yard pass to Sanders.

NOW Haley no choice to attack and keep Ben going right?

WRONG! Dwyer comes in, and because we're the Stillers, looses 3 yards from the 11.

Ben is then sacked, we have one down left, what do we do?

A failed RB SCREEN PASS to Chris Rainey, and we kick a FG.

3:18 left in the game


1st and 10 at PIT 46 B.Roethlisberger pass incomplete short left to A.Brown.
2nd and 10 at PIT 46 R.Mendenhall right end pushed ob at CIN 42 for 12 yards (V.Burfict).
1st and 10 at CIN 42 R.Mendenhall up the middle to CIN 38 for 4 yards (C.Dunlap).
2nd and 6 at CIN 38 R.Mendenhall left guard to CIN 40 for -2 yards (C.Crocker). PIT-H.Miller was injured during the play.
3rd and 8 at CIN 40 (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger scrambles right guard to CIN 36 for 4 yards (C.Dunlap, G.Atkins).
Timeout #2 by CIN at 01:51.
4th and 4 at CIN 36 (Field Goal formation) S.Suisham 53 yard field goal is No Good, Short, Center-G.Warren, Holder-D.Butler.
_______________________

A WR screen (again), 3 straight Mendy (coming off a benching and suspension) runs, a Ben scramble. Missed FG. Again we don't attack the defense.


Last week in Dallas, we tie the game at the half, we force a 3 and out on defense and Brown returns the punt to midfield to start the second half, a perfect chance to attack and seize momentum right?


1st and 10 at 50 J.Dwyer right guard to DAL 46 for 4 yards (D.Connor).
2nd and 6 at DAL 46 J.Dwyer up the middle to DAL 45 for 1 yard (A.Spencer; D.McCray).
3rd and 5 at DAL 45 B.Roethlisberger pass incomplete short right to J.Dwyer. Pass incomplete in the flat.

Again, two runs, 1 pass attempt (which was short of the sticks if complete), punt.

7 minutes left in the Cowboys game, a chance to take the lead after Browns fumble, offense moving the ball at will having scored TDs on their last two drives. Ben hits Wallace for 11 yards, then hits Will Johnson with a touch pass down the right sideline. Passing, moving the chains, making plays, we get first down at the Dallas 43.

1st and 10 at DAL 43 (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass short right to A.Brown to DAL 40 for 3 yards (B.Carr). Pass complete on a "bubble screen."
2nd and 7 at DAL 40 (Shotgun) J.Dwyer right tackle to DAL 37 for 3 yards (A.Albright, A.Spencer).
3rd and 4 at DAL 37 (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger sacked at DAL 39 for -2 yards (sack split by D.Ware and A.Spencer).
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Another WR screen (similar spot on the field against Cincy a week later), a run, and then a sack with no check downs as Miller AND Redman were blocking.

We never got close again.

Why won't we attack a defense? Why do we insist on playing Bill Cowher simpleton loser football?

Do the Rooney's detest Roethlisberger getting accolades THAT much to the point that they sabotage their own team?

Or is Haley THAT incompetent as a play-caller?

Now be honest, if Arians was here calling this ****, what would be said? Why should Haley get a free pass? Because he's from Pittsburgh? BFD.


This organization's ownership needs to make a decision. They can either compete for championships by playing to the current state of the NFL and say to hell with tradition, or they can wallow in mediocrity as long as they wish to run the football when they can't run because Rocky and Franco did it 40 years ago.

If it's option A? Haley has to go (Or Rooney can stay out of his way and not have him as an *** kissing puppet).

If it's option B? Ben has to go.

Because this can't continue as is. Not fair to the team, not fair to the entire offense, and not fair to the HOF-er at QB.

Interesting to see what happens when Arians gets his new job.

NeilPatrickBanana
12-28-2012, 11:39 PM
funny that you don't even seem to recognize that each of the series you mentioned ended with Roethlisberger failing to convert a 3rd down.

When Ben was converting 3rd downs like crazy (prior to injury), you said he was "saving Haley's ***"... but when Ben isn't converting 3rd downs it's Haley's fault.

That's a pretty sweet bubble you live in

Crash
12-28-2012, 11:52 PM
funny that you don't even seem to recognize that each of the series you mentioned ended with Roethlisberger failing to convert a 3rd down.

When Ben was converting 3rd downs like crazy (prior to injury), you said he was "saving Haley's ***"... but when Ben isn't converting 3rd downs it's Haley's fault.

That's a pretty sweet bubble you live in

The point is nothing changes, Haley sucks *** on first and second down and expects Ben to bail him out on 3rd down.

Why wait until 3rd down? Why not attack earlier?

Because Haley would rather be a Rooney puppet, than do what's best for his team.

Zachintosh66
12-28-2012, 11:58 PM
I dont have the attention span long enuff for that post :lol:

Crash
12-29-2012, 12:01 AM
Don't worry, neither does Haley. He's too busy on the putting green.

Nolrog
12-30-2012, 12:02 PM
I dont have the attention span long enuff for that post :lol:

Same here. I didn't get past the first line.

My point still stands. It takes more than one year to fully implement your offense, especially when one of your top WRs misses the whole training camp and pre-season and your OL is a complete disaster. We'll have a better read on this after next season.

There are some valid criticisms there, but I quickly dismiss them because of the complete lack of objectivity that is shown.