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NeilPatrickBanana
12-21-2012, 02:56 PM
I find Drafttek to be one of the more accurate sites for mock draft/big board rankings...

They just release a new 3 round mock... with the Steelers picking 17th...

Unfortunately all of the following players are taken before the Steelers pick

#2 Bjorn Werner DE
#3 Dee Milliner CB
#5 Dion Jordan OLB (was previously going to Baltimore #24) GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
#6 Jarvis Jones OLB
#7 Manti Te'o LB
#8 Damontre Moore OLB
#9 Jonthan Banks CB
#12 Eric Reid S
#13 Keenan Allen WR
#14 Barkevious Mingo OLB
#15 CJ Mosley ILB

And the Steelers get Kenny Vaccaro S at #17.... ugh....

THIS is the year to trade up.

As expected... Dion Jordan is starting to FLY up draft boards/mocks

cbrunn
12-21-2012, 04:12 PM
I don't think so ... I think this is the draft to trade down , and get another 1st for next year ... as I said in my latest mock... Anthony Barr , CJ Mosely , Louis Nix and others going back to school ... gives up flexibility to move up and get one of those players and or stay still and pick BPA ...

NeilPatrickBanana
12-21-2012, 05:02 PM
I don't think so ... I think this is the draft to trade down , and get another 1st for next year ... as I said in my latest mock... Anthony Barr , CJ Mosely , Louis Nix and others going back to school ... gives up flexibility to move up and get one of those players and or stay still and pick BPA ...

I think that's a terrible idea.

Prolonging the influx of talent is a monumental mistake. And banking on players in next year's draft, when you have a chance to get an impact player in this draft is just plain stupid.

cbrunn
12-21-2012, 05:58 PM
I think that's a terrible idea.

Prolonging the influx of talent is a monumental mistake. And banking on players in next year's draft, when you have a chance to get an impact player in this draft is just plain stupid.

So in the deepest safety and NT draft in recent memory ... still getting 7 picks ... and an extra first next year is a terrible idea?? ...

to trade up and lose draft picks to get an over rated "impact" player this year??? ... I am no where close sold on Jordan or Mingo, or anybody else in this draft enough to trade up to get

this is not a very good 1st round crop of players this year , but it is deep in areas of need like safety ...

yes lets face it, the defense will not be fixed over night ... and trading picks to get Jordan Or Mingo will not fix this defense ... no way no how, and personally would be a terrible Idea

guess we'll just have to agree to disagree

cbrunn
12-21-2012, 06:08 PM
Nothing Concrete yet but it looks like another Junior is leaning toward staying in school, Matt Elam

http://www.gatorcountry.com/football/article/sources_easley_elam_to_return_next_season/15828

just another reason next year would be loaded ... depending where we would pick next year... to get a combination of Anthony Barr / CJ Mosely and Matt Elam next year is wayyy better at least to me then getting Dion Jordan this year ... Combined with getting like Kyle Van Noy and Bacarri Rambo this year :cope: now where talking

SteelerCountry58
12-22-2012, 09:31 PM
Safety/LB/DTorDE is what we should pick with the first three rounds. I'd take a QB in the 4th.
Followed by more OL depth in the later rounds. Why the ugh with Vaccaro? He's a freight train
and he might not be there with the later "teen" picks anyway.

mcfly06
12-22-2012, 10:49 PM
I want Vaccaro and this site is awesome the best draft site ive seen so far!!!

norris
12-22-2012, 10:55 PM
I think that's a terrible idea.

Prolonging the influx of talent is a monumental mistake. And banking on players in next year's draft, when you have a chance to get an impact player in this draft is just plain stupid.

I dont think it is putting any kind of delay in talent. This draft has about 10 elite guys, then the 2nd through 4th rounds are deep. I am all for trading back for a mid/early 2nd and a 2014 1st. The value in the middle of the 2nd is extremely close to mid/late 1st for the positions that we need.

NeilPatrickBanana
12-24-2012, 04:58 AM
I dont think it is putting any kind of delay in talent. This draft has about 10 elite guys, then the 2nd through 4th rounds are deep. I am all for trading back for a mid/early 2nd and a 2014 1st. The value in the middle of the 2nd is extremely close to mid/late 1st for the positions that we need.

I think this draft is loaded in the top half of the first with impact defensive talent. We should be trying to get one of them, not trade down and take another hood/heyward "nice" pick and pat ourselves on the back because we have more picks next year.

NeilPatrickBanana
12-24-2012, 05:01 AM
So in the deepest safety and NT draft in recent memory ... still getting 7 picks ... and an extra first next year is a terrible idea?? ...

to trade up and lose draft picks to get an over rated "impact" player this year??? ... I am no where close sold on Jordan or Mingo, or anybody else in this draft enough to trade up to get

this is not a very good 1st round crop of players this year , but it is deep in areas of need like safety ...

yes lets face it, the defense will not be fixed over night ... and trading picks to get Jordan Or Mingo will not fix this defense ... no way no how, and personally would be a terrible Idea

guess we'll just have to agree to disagree

Would you trade down if Jordan/Mingo are on the board at our pick?

cbrunn
12-24-2012, 09:42 AM
Would you trade down if Jordan/Mingo are on the board at our pick?

Yes cause of exactly what Noris said

only 2 players I wouldn't trade back if fell are Jarvis Jones and Teo ... other then that I would trade back

and if we stay still which is most likely cause lets be honest that's what the Steelers do ... I would take either Alec Ogeltree or Chance Womback

unless somebody like Kyle Van Noy declares and starts flying up the draft boards (which is a very very high possibility)

I posted this on another site ... know you and others are really high on Dion Jordan ... but the guy has 14.5 sacks at college career 4 fumble force 0 int and 2 pass deflection and 29 tackles for loss... I know he could potentially turn into a beast and what not ... but to say he'll fix the pass rush in 1 year is a bit foolish I think ... And I've watched tape and I am no where near as high on him as you are

and also while somebody like Kyle Van Noy has 20.5 sacks in 3 years ... 4 INT and 13 pass deflections ... 41 tackles for loss and 10 FF ... and can be had in a trade back scenario to gather more draft picks , and maybe even had in the 2nd round ...and our OLB aren't just asked to pass rush they are asked to drop back in coverage more then most 3-4 OLB and that's something Van Noy proved he can do along with rushing the passer

if your talking potential Yes Dion Jordan may have a higher upside ... but I think I like Van Noy more then Jordan ... not to mention Van Noy has a nack for making a big play when his team needs it

connecticutsteel
12-26-2012, 01:19 AM
I'LL TAKE TREVARDO WILLIAMS OVER DION JORDAN ANYDAY

JensK
12-26-2012, 02:22 PM
I personally dont like Ogeltree all that much. Watched a lot of videos of him, and he seems really slow off the snap. He is a decent tackler, sure, but he does not strike me as an elite lb to me from what ive seen so far.

cbrunn
12-26-2012, 03:20 PM
I personally dont like Ogeltree all that much. Watched a lot of videos of him, and he seems really slow off the snap. He is a decent tackler, sure, but he does not strike me as an elite lb to me from what ive seen so far.

He's not the prototypical Run stopper ILB ... but he's the Prototypical LB in today pass happy NFL ... He's big / fast / skilled enough to cover the big body tight ends in todays NFL

JensK
12-26-2012, 03:25 PM
He's not the prototypical Run stopper ILB ... but he's the Prototypical LB in today pass happy NFL ... He's big / fast / skilled enough to cover the big body tight ends in todays NFL

I agree, but I still like LBs to be able to crush a guard off the snap, and make a tackle like Bowman or Willis. Not that I mind that they can cover, but as I see it we have that player already in Timmons. I'm not sold ón the idea that two of that kind of LB would be successfull. Although I do admit that I have little to base this statement upon.

norris
12-27-2012, 01:59 AM
I personally dont like Ogeltree all that much. Watched a lot of videos of him, and he seems really slow off the snap. He is a decent tackler, sure, but he does not strike me as an elite lb to me from what ive seen so far.

He would be the Timmons in our D. Drafting him would be pointless because honestly I don't think that Timmons can play the buck. The buck needs to be smart, call the defense, and be stout against the run. Te'o and Skov are the 2 guys I would look at for that position in the D in the first 3 rounds.