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Clevelandsux
12-09-2012, 10:57 PM
Published: Sunday, December 9, 2012, 10:06 p.m.
Updated 24 minutes ago


Silent, stone-faced and almost motionless, Mike Tomlin stood inside the double-doors of the Steelers’ locker room to shake hands with every player, as he always does.

Not a syllable exchanged.

And once the last of them crossed — it was Mike Wallace, fittingly, given his late arrival to the game itself — Tomlin pulled those doors shut and began barking, loud enough to be heard from here to San Diego.

I don’t know what all he wound up saying and, in all honesty, couldn’t care less.

Not after the Steelers had just been … not beaten, but smoked by a 6-8 San Diego outfit, 34-24, on Sunday at Heinz Field.

Smoked a week after that buoyant victory in Baltimore.

Smoked by Norv Turner, who earlier in the week was reading reports that the Chargers will fire him at season’s end.

Smoked by Philip Rivers, who was petulantly gabbing all day as if he weren’t, you know, Philip Rivers.

Smoked by a team missing three, often four, offensive linemen.

And most shamefully, smoked in the same season as similar losses to Oakland, Tennessee and Cleveland.

Sorry, Coach, but tearing ’em up after the game is too little, too late.

And besides, this is far too many lousy losses to think it could be anyone else’s fault but the man in charge.

Oh, sure, Tomlin opened his postgame news conference with the standard, “We accept responsibility for it. We move on.” But that really shouldn’t cut it this time. This shouldn’t be about moving on. This should be about figuring out why the Steelers can’t move on every time it seems like they will, why they’re 7-6 when they oh-so-easily could sit atop the AFC.

They could start by simply acknowledging the trend.

When I asked Tomlin if he saw connections between this loss and those other three, he replied, “I hadn’t thought about it in that way. All I focused on was our poor performance today.”

Really, no thought?

Can anyone else explain why it keeps happening?

Ben Roethlisberger: “I have no clue. If I knew, I don’t think we’d do it anymore.”

Isaac Redman: “Can’t say.”

Even Ryan Clark, always the most candid and colorful of the room, was reduced to this: “The team with the lesser record has played better than we have.”

Look, I could throw darts blindfolded and find targets for blame Sunday.

Todd Haley’s head-scratching playcalling included a fourth-and-1 in which Redman took a deep handoff with no fullback, a last-minute drive in the first half in which Plaxico Burress wore a tousle cap in standing next to Haley and, by far most inexplicable, a generally bad time to revisit the very Ben-being-Ben strategy he’d been hired to ditch, given Roethlisberger returning from a serious injury.

The players deserve it, too, from Doug Legursky being blown off the line on that fourth-and-1 to Curtis Brown playing matador on every San Diego third down to Mike Wallace’s early drops that earned him 61,359 seriously bitter boos.

But let’s not kid anyone: This is on Tomlin, front to finish.

It starts with preparation, always the coach’s domain. Sure, as I’d heard, Brett Keisel gave a rousing pregame speech in which he warned teammates, “If we don’t come out to play, this team can beat us!” But when a green player such as Curtis Brown confesses afterward that he “probably drunk the wine a little bit” after Baltimore and “didn’t prepare well enough,” the coaching staff must see it and act on it.

That’s not something you find out Sunday.

What happened to Tomlin being the “players’ coach?”

It’s about discipline, too. There were eight penalties in this game, even back-to-back offsides for veterans Troy Polamalu and James Harrison. We’ve seen it far too often.

What happened to Tomlin’s demanding ways?

For that matter, what happened to his ability to manage a game?

Although others might, I won’t take issue with keeping Roethlisberger in once San Diego pulled away. He’d been cleared to play, showed no ill signs and the Steelers proved with a couple quick strikes — just as the Chargers proved with a 24-point collapse earlier this season — that a comeback was realistic.

But I absolutely will blame Tomlin for being maddeningly inconsistent about that.

Catch his explanation for not going for two points once the Steelers pulled within 34-16?

Better sit down.

“Until we stopped them, it was going to be insignificant,” Tomlin said. “I was holding the two-point plays for that reason and that reason only. Now, we still have them in our hip pocket. Those specialty plays, we didn’t want to put on tape unless we had an opportunity to close the gap. As you can see, we didn’t.”

Well, either you’re in the game or not.

Which was it?

A two-point conversion there puts the Steelers within two TDs and two more conversions of tying the score with 6:07 to play.

Unrealistic, sure, but Tomlin apparently saw it as realistic enough to keep the franchise quarterback on the field, right?

On the bright side, they can take all those wicky-wacky, two-point plays next week to Dallas, right there in the hip pocket.

Ironman92
12-09-2012, 11:00 PM
It's not too late....if he hasn't done it much or yet this year it could be very productive.

Clevelandsux
12-09-2012, 11:01 PM
Dejan_Kovacevic of the pittsburgh tribune wrote this.

Clevelandsux
12-09-2012, 11:02 PM
Too late for todays game anyway.

Omicron
12-09-2012, 11:04 PM
Their specialty plays are mostly maddening to watch. Every time I see them run a reverse, I cringe at the upcoming loss of yardage.

Clevelandsux
12-09-2012, 11:06 PM
Or a weak thrown interception. Not fooling anyone.

Troyisabeast_43
12-09-2012, 11:14 PM
I lost a ton of respect for Tomlin after his ridiculous explanation on not going for 2 when they were down 24 and scored and made it 34-16. Not that that play there lost the game or had anything to do with his team losing the game but the point is Tomlin gave his team no chance to at least have an attempt to tie the game had they gotten 2 more tds with 2 more 2 point conversions. I am sorry his explanation in regards to that was simply inexcusable and flat out moronic and insulting to a lot of the intelligent Steelers fans in this town that know football. How do you sit there and say you dont go for 2 when you absolutely have too because you didnt think you could stop the other team and didnt want to put your 2 point plays on tape. Whatever happened to trying to give your team the best possible chance to win even when you are down by 24 points. Tomlin by making those comments he made in regards to not going for 2 might as well have said I didnt think we could score on the 2 points plays or make any kind of comeback so I just decided to forfeit the game and conceed the game by being a retarded moron and not going for 2 there and giving my team any sort of slim hope to still tie the game and maybe win it...That's pretty much what he did by not going for 2 the first time when it was 34-16 he essentially gave the **** up and his explanation for it was absolutely disgusting and flat out pathetic and it make me sick...

connecticutsteel
12-09-2012, 11:58 PM
you guys act like the 2 point conversion is a garantee you take the 1 point until you get to within one score that sound coaching if you go for 2 3 time that puts you down another score

lack of effort and execution lost the game not tomlin and norv turner is asolid coach he is losing his job because the spanos family can't run a franchise properly after all they traded Drew Brees figure that one out

Black@Gold Forever32
12-10-2012, 12:15 AM
you guys act like the 2 point conversion is a garantee you take the 1 point until you get to within one score that sound coaching if you go for 2 3 time that puts you down another score

lack of effort and execution lost the game not tomlin and norv turner is asolid coach he is losing his job because the spanos family can't run a franchise properly after all they traded Drew Brees figure that one out

They didn't trade Drew Brees....Brees signed with New Orleans as a FA back in 2006......Norv Turner is a solid OC but he is a joke as a HC.......

Lack of effort and the team coming sluggish and looking unprepared at times is a reflection of Mike Tomlin.........

Clevelandsux
12-10-2012, 12:22 AM
even players are saying they were unprepared. sounds almost like they are calling out there coach.

Zachintosh66
12-10-2012, 12:27 AM
thats the problem... Tomlin is all talk

teeceemadison
12-10-2012, 08:39 AM
im still wondering, how can professionals be 'unprepared'?? for what? a terrible dink and dunk team? after the third or fourth time they did the five yard turnaround and catch on a third and four, do you think you could realize, maybe, a trend?? hello???

what kind of prep do you need when their whole offense of the chargers was dink and dunk????

Farrior Fan
12-10-2012, 09:02 AM
I get pissed off at myself when I show up on any day to my $50k a year job unprepared. Of course I only have to show up around 240 times a year.

I think we need to admit to ourselves that we have a really ****** HC. He is great with the players, but that is it. It took him how many years to get rid of the worst OC in football? His ability to gameplan is terrible. He cannot get multimillionaires to prepare. He cannot design a trick play (that works) with guys like Rainey, Wallace, and AB???

When you give the keys to a ZR1 Corvette to a guy that is used to driving a Malibu you get what you get.

coldrolled
12-10-2012, 09:06 AM
thats the problem... Tomlin is all talk

No.... the problem is when you have huge holes after the draft you need to buy one good FA to fill a blatant hole...

We have a few.. and dump the old expensive and now average players and refresh...

steelersbabex25
12-10-2012, 10:19 AM
OK OK I'll do it...

"This December, we're going to unleash hell."

LatrobePA
12-10-2012, 10:23 AM
OK OK I'll do it...

"This December, we're going to unleash hell."

So in one thread you're taking up for him and in another you're making fun of him, which one is it??? lol

Real Deal Steel
12-10-2012, 10:34 AM
No.... the problem is when you have huge holes after the draft you need to buy one good FA to fill a blatant hole...

We have a few.. and dump the old expensive and now average players and refresh...

But we have a front office that refuses to seriously use free agency to fix holes.

steelersbabex25
12-10-2012, 01:19 PM
So in one thread you're taking up for him and in another you're making fun of him, which one is it??? lol

When I said how it was annoying that we talk about firing him every week? That wasn't sticking up for him that's just saying it's annoying that we have the same conversation over and over again. Either way I don't hate Tomlin like the majority of the imbeciles on this board do. He could be better but to want him fired after every loss is ridiculous.

City of Champyinz
12-10-2012, 01:38 PM
Coaches don't execute plays...Players do. The players didn't execute. You also have to give credit to the Chargers. They shut down the Steelers running game and it's tough to win when you're one dimensional. The Steelers' defense for the life of them, couldn't get off the field on 3rd down....Defense gets tired and frustrated, offense is sitting on the bench for long periods of time (not getting into a rhythm).

LASVEGASGUY
12-10-2012, 01:42 PM
Coaches don't execute plays...Players do. The players didn't execute. You also have to give credit to the Chargers. They shut down the Steelers running game and it's tough to win when you're one dimensional. The Steelers' defense for the life of them, couldn't get off the field on 3rd down....Defense gets tired and frustrated, offense is sitting on the bench for long periods of time (not getting into a rhythm).

That's true. However, when was the last time you saw the Patriots get crushed at home by a bottom feeder in the league? Also, when was the last time they had 8 turnovers in a game.? It's a fine line in the NFL when it comes to the players and coaching is everything. We wouldn't know that because our coach just downright sucks. He should send a Christmas card to Cowher.

steelersbabex25
12-10-2012, 01:54 PM
That's true. However, when was the last time you saw the Patriots get crushed at home by a bottom feeder in the league? Also, when was the last time they had 8 turnovers in a game.?

When was the last time the Patriots had Charlie Batch at quarterback...

steelchamp204
12-10-2012, 02:21 PM
That's true. However, when was the last time you saw the Patriots get crushed at home by a bottom feeder in the league? Also, when was the last time they had 8 turnovers in a game.? It's a fine line in the NFL when it comes to the players and coaching is everything. We wouldn't know that because our coach just downright sucks. He should send a Christmas card to Cowher.

When was the last time the Steelers had a offensive line protect Ben like the Pats line protexts brady? Probably in his early years. Look how well Ben did then. If you gave Ben the time and protectio as some of the Elites get. The offense would be putting up 27+ a game.

LASVEGASGUY
12-10-2012, 02:24 PM
When was the last time the Patriots had Charlie Batch at quarterback...

Never because Belichick would have sent Charlie Batch, Dennis Dixon, Byron Leftwich and every other "never was" backup we have had over the yeas packing years ago. Only our dufus coach keeps this crap on the roster past it's expiration date.

Explain again why we waived Hoyer and kept an injured Leftwich who we are going to let go after the season anyway? Why not keep Hoyer around and see what the kid has? He has been learning the offense for at least 3 weeks now so there was no reason to keep lefty.

LASVEGASGUY
12-10-2012, 02:27 PM
When was the last time the Steelers had a offensive line protect Ben like the Pats line protexts brady? Probably in his early years. Look how well Ben did then. If you gave Ben the time and protectio as some of the Elites get. The offense would be putting up 27+ a game.

Are you kidding? The Patriots right now have all sorts of issues on the offensive line and Brady is still putting up 30 a game. Se the difference is our coach allows our QB to run around like a chicken with his head cutoff instead of coaching him up to take what the defense is giving you. He has yet to learn this because Ben knows those type of plays don't make it to ESPN so what would he watch when he gets home?

Troyisabeast_43
12-10-2012, 02:37 PM
Never because Belichick would have sent Charlie Batch, Dennis Dixon, Byron Leftwich and every other "never was" backup we have had over the yeas packing years ago. Only our dufus coach keeps this crap on the roster past it's expiration date.

Explain again why we waived Hoyer and kept an injured Leftwich who we are going to let go after the season anyway? Why not keep Hoyer around and see what the kid has? He has been learning the offense for at least 3 weeks now so there was no reason to keep lefty.I agree this makes no sense at all cutting a guy like Hoyer when he is young and has a lot more upside then either Batch or Leftwich does going forward...

NeilPatrickBanana
12-10-2012, 02:50 PM
When was the last time the Steelers had a offensive line protect Ben like the Pats line protexts brady? Probably in his early years. Look how well Ben did then. If you gave Ben the time and protectio as some of the Elites get. The offense would be putting up 27+ a game.

Ben doesn't deliver the ball quick enough, read a defense well enough, to make the offensive line matter much... in fact, I'd argue that a weaker offensive line actually brings out Ben's elite qualities (improve, throwing on the run, back yard ballin')

steelers75
12-10-2012, 02:51 PM
That's true. However, when was the last time you saw the Patriots get crushed at home by a bottom feeder in the league? Also, when was the last time they had 8 turnovers in a game.? It's a fine line in the NFL when it comes to the players and coaching is everything. We wouldn't know that because our coach just downright sucks. He should send a Christmas card to Cowher.


Never because Belichick would have sent Charlie Batch, Dennis Dixon, Byron Leftwich and every other "never was" backup we have had over the yeas packing years ago. Only our dufus coach keeps this crap on the roster past it's expiration date.

Explain again why we waived Hoyer and kept an injured Leftwich who we are going to let go after the season anyway? Why not keep Hoyer around and see what the kid has? He has been learning the offense for at least 3 weeks now so there was no reason to keep lefty.


Are you kidding? The Patriots right now have all sorts of issues on the offensive line and Brady is still putting up 30 a game. Se the difference is our coach allows our QB to run around like a chicken with his head cutoff instead of coaching him up to take what the defense is giving you. He has yet to learn this because Ben knows those type of plays don't make it to ESPN so what would he watch when he gets home?

Here's an idea - why don't you go join a Pats board and suck Belichick off there?