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cbrunn
12-09-2012, 09:45 PM
I think this game with Ike out opened up a glaring need at a #1 Corner for when Ike actually goes ... I'm very disappointed in Allan and Brown after this game ... as I have high hopes for Allan , not to sure about Brown anymore

1st - Xavier Rhodes - CB - Florida State
2nd - Phillip Thomas - SS - Fresno State
3rd - Gerald Hodges - OLB - Penn State
4th - Duke Williams - SS - Nevada
5th - Abry Jones - DE - Georgia
6th - Michael Mauti - ILB - Penn State
7th - Zac Stacy - RB - Vand

mcfly06
12-09-2012, 11:56 PM
Id rather get a RB higher in the draft someone that will be the guy!! It's time we get a RB like a AP,J.Charles someone better then what we have. If Wallace leaves were gonna have to get a WR too.

cbrunn
12-10-2012, 12:28 AM
Id rather get a RB higher in the draft someone that will be the guy!! It's time we get a RB like a AP,J.Charles someone better then what we have. If Wallace leaves were gonna have to get a WR too.

I Like Eddie Lacy ... I just think the Def needs some much needed youth added to it ... and you would have to take him 1st cause I doubt he last to the later part of the 2nd ... and I just don't think they can afford that right now

also I don't think Wallace is going anywhere

~~EDIT~~

I would like to Add I really starting to like this division 2 CB Robert Alford from Southeastern Louisiana, in the 4th...
a little Edit after finding this kid

1st - Matt Elam - FS - Florida
2nd - Phillip Thomas - SS - Fresno State
3rd - Gerald Hodges - OLB - Penn State
4th - Robert Alford - CB - Southeastern Lousiana
5th - Abry Jones - DE - Georgia
6th - Michael Mauti - ILB - Penn State
7th - Zac Stacy - RB - Vandy


I would like a strictly pass rusher (Dion Jordan or Anthony Barr) in the 1st and even Eddie Lacy in the 2nd ... but I just want to get the Safety position which been a huge strength over the years back to form

Zachintosh66
12-10-2012, 01:49 AM
They will never trade Troy, but what purpose does he really serve anymore...

K Train
12-10-2012, 02:22 AM
heres what i would say from the past few weeks:

1 Travis Frederick OG Wisconsin (Tyler Eifert TE Notre Dame)
Frederick would be an incredible LG to team up with Pouncey and Decastro on the inside.

Eifert is a jump ball phenom, he would be the successor to Heath but would be a big impact in the passing game from day one

2 David Amerson CB North Carolina State (Margus Hunt DE SMU)
Amerson is a classic CB to FS transition candidate...Rolle, Jenkins, ect....his ball skills are out of this world and hes a big hitter, hes been burned this year after having ridiculous pick numbers last year, but his fall from top 10 to second would be a great gift.

Margus Hunt is a physical freak, to play him in a 34 he could be like a mixure of JJ Watt and Calais Campbell

3 Chase Thomas OLB Stanford (Dennard Robinson, WR Mich)

Chase Thomas is a high effort pass rusher, hes relentless and excels at blitzing.

Robinson has trick play ability but would likely be a return man and he just has a dynamic in the open field that rivals hester or harvin

4 Aaron Murray QB Georgia (Montee Ball RB, Wisc)
Highest percentage passer in college football, could possibly be a starter one day but is an ideal backup QB. Better than colt mccoy could dream to be, and id take colt mccoy as a backup in a heartbeat.

Ball is a hard runner with terrific vision, i think hes a lot like chester taylor and would immediately be better than redman

5 Jon Bostic MLB Florida

Good MLB of the future, they will likely miss out on teo and skov if they want to target a MLB

just a few guys i like early in the process, im not quite where i usually am as far as grading prospects

Black@Gold Forever32
12-10-2012, 02:29 AM
heres what i would say from the past few weeks:

1 Travis Frederick OG Wisconsin (Tyler Eifert TE Notre Dame)
Frederick would be an incredible LG to team up with Pouncey and Decastro on the inside.

Eifert is a jump ball phenom, he would be the successor to Heath but would be a big impact in the passing game from day one

2 David Amerson CB North Carolina State (Margus Hunt DE SMU)
Amerson is a classic CB to FS transition candidate...Rolle, Jenkins, ect....his ball skills are out of this world and hes a big hitter, hes been burned this year after having ridiculous pick numbers last year, but his fall from top 10 to second would be a great gift.

Margus Hunt is a physical freak, to play him in a 34 he could be like a mixure of JJ Watt and Calais Campbell

3 Chase Thomas OLB Stanford (Dennard Robinson, WR Mich)

Chase Thomas is a high effort pass rusher, hes relentless and excels at blitzing.

Robinson has trick play ability but would likely be a return man and he just has a dynamic in the open field that rivals hester or harvin

4 Aaron Murray QB Georgia (Montee Ball RB, Wisc)
Highest percentage passer in college football, could possibly be a starter one day but is an ideal backup QB. Better than colt mccoy could dream to be, and id take colt mccoy as a backup in a heartbeat.

Ball is a hard runner with terrific vision, i think hes a lot like chester taylor and would immediately be better than redman

5 Jon Bostic MLB Florida

Good MLB of the future, they will likely miss out on teo and skov if they want to target a MLB

just a few guys i like early in the process, im not quite where i usually am as far as grading prospects

If Wallace isn't resigned then wouldn't WR become a bigger need?......Won't the Steelers get an extra pick if they lose Wallace?.........

But I love the players you listed on that mock Train....I'm with you on Eifert..........

K Train
12-10-2012, 02:33 AM
my wide receiver rankings are all over the place at the moment...i was better off leaving it out lol

Black@Gold Forever32
12-10-2012, 02:36 AM
my wide receiver rankings are all over the place at the moment...i was better off leaving it out lol

Eifert would lessen the need of a WR but I would hate to become the Vikings offense without a legit deep threat....I'm talking while Harvin has been out........

K Train
12-10-2012, 02:56 AM
as far as frederick goes, between pouncey, adams, decastro, and gilbert theres a lot of high picks invested in oline....but thats exactly how you build a dominant line. A lot of people might scoff at taking a guard #1 again, but when the oline is blowing entire defensive fronts off the ball there wont be any complaining.

also WR will be a need, but its not like sanders and brown arent good deep threats because they are....its just they arent used that way because it makes more sense to send wallace deep right now. Holmes was a good deep threat, but they let him carve up defenses while nate washinton was asked to stretch the field. I wouldnt want to draft for a deep threat...id take a big, physical possession guy too (like how the bengals drafted sanu)

Black@Gold Forever32
12-10-2012, 03:32 AM
as far as frederick goes, between pouncey, adams, decastro, and gilbert theres a lot of high picks invested in oline....but thats exactly how you build a dominant line. A lot of people might scoff at taking a guard #1 again, but when the oline is blowing entire defensive fronts off the ball there wont be any complaining.

also WR will be a need, but its not like sanders and brown arent good deep threats because they are....its just they arent used that way because it makes more sense to send wallace deep right now. Holmes was a good deep threat, but they let him carve up defenses while nate washinton was asked to stretch the field. I wouldnt want to draft for a deep threat...id take a big, physical possession guy too (like how the bengals drafted sanu)

I'm all for drafting a big, physical monster at WR as well but those guys are hard to find.....I have always liked tall physical WR's more then shorter WR's.........Really the lack of that big and physical WR is what is keeping this offense from being elite.......I would love for Ben to have a Brandon Marshall right now.......Yea Brown and Sanders can go deep but Brown is best suited how he is used now......My hope is for Manny Sanders but I'm not giving up on Mike Wallace being resigned.......

I would never complain about an OL being drafted if it was best available in the first round its all about value......

cbrunn
12-10-2012, 09:59 AM
heres what i would say from the past few weeks:

1 Travis Frederick OG Wisconsin (Tyler Eifert TE Notre Dame)
Frederick would be an incredible LG to team up with Pouncey and Decastro on the inside.

Eifert is a jump ball phenom, he would be the successor to Heath but would be a big impact in the passing game from day one

2 David Amerson CB North Carolina State (Margus Hunt DE SMU)
Amerson is a classic CB to FS transition candidate...Rolle, Jenkins, ect....his ball skills are out of this world and hes a big hitter, hes been burned this year after having ridiculous pick numbers last year, but his fall from top 10 to second would be a great gift.

Margus Hunt is a physical freak, to play him in a 34 he could be like a mixure of JJ Watt and Calais Campbell

3 Chase Thomas OLB Stanford (Dennard Robinson, WR Mich)

Chase Thomas is a high effort pass rusher, hes relentless and excels at blitzing.

Robinson has trick play ability but would likely be a return man and he just has a dynamic in the open field that rivals hester or harvin

4 Aaron Murray QB Georgia (Montee Ball RB, Wisc)
Highest percentage passer in college football, could possibly be a starter one day but is an ideal backup QB. Better than colt mccoy could dream to be, and id take colt mccoy as a backup in a heartbeat.

Ball is a hard runner with terrific vision, i think hes a lot like chester taylor and would immediately be better than redman

5 Jon Bostic MLB Florida

Good MLB of the future, they will likely miss out on teo and skov if they want to target a MLB

just a few guys i like early in the process, im not quite where i usually am as far as grading prospects


Amerson Won't be there in the 2nd ... some team will fall in love with his tape from last year... unless we pick in the early middle of the 2nd round

I doubt Chase Thomas makes it to the 3rd either ... but I like Gerald Hodges better anyway

I could see another guard as I do not like Colon at Guard ... to many penalties ... I was thinking about putting one in somewhere ... but the Defense is just so deep this year, and need so much more help on that side of the ball ...

except I would love Eddie Lacey , but I like Phillip Thomas better ... watch his name rise as the draft process starts

K Train
12-10-2012, 11:10 AM
Amerson has a lot of work to do in order to be drafted above some of the other potential 1st round CBs, not really a lot of elite talent at CB this year but a bunt of fringe firs/second round guys....rhodes and banks included

penguins&steelers
12-10-2012, 11:14 AM
We don't need a WR early. I don't want Wallace back. He blows. But Sanders will step up. Also, how do you have Mauti all the way in the 6th round? I would LOVE to have him as a Die Hard Penn State fan, but 6th round seems low.

K Train
12-10-2012, 11:23 AM
"he Blows"

lol ridiculous.

No thanks to penn state players not named hodges

cbrunn
12-10-2012, 12:14 PM
"he Blows"

lol ridiculous.

No thanks to penn state players not named hodges

Yeah I love Hodges ... one of my favorite prospects this year ... but Mauti in the 6th, because he has to check out medically ... and he already had I think 2 season ending knee injuries... that's a risky pick, but one with high reward

cbrunn
12-10-2012, 12:18 PM
Amerson has a lot of work to do in order to be drafted above some of the other potential 1st round CBs, not really a lot of elite talent at CB this year but a bunt of fringe firs/second round guys....rhodes and banks included

I agree with you he's definitely a free safety , or a team that runs Zone scheme he can play Corner in ... but I just think last years tape will make him go 1-2 (top middle part of the 2nd) ... I would actually love to have him to play Free Safety ... I'm just hoping where they pick in the 2nd I don't think he'll be left ... matter of fact him and Phillip Thomas would create turnovers for us, so I wouldn't be opposed taking Amerson in the first

Cricker24
12-10-2012, 06:21 PM
I would be thrilled if the Steelers drafted Eifert, but do you think that would really happen? I don't see the Steelers doing that only because they don't really run a 2 TE passing offense and they have such a history of having loyalty to their veterans, which in this case would be Heath Miller. Plus, it seems like they like this Paulson kid, even though I haven't been that impressed with him, and won't they have David Johnson back next year (another guy I'm not crazy about)?

I like the idea of Denard Robinson. Being a Notre Dame fan, it's been a nightmare watching him shred the ND defense, except for this year of course, but the kid is fast. Having him return punts and play the slot, I like that a lot!!

Chris :tt02:

penguins&steelers
12-10-2012, 08:15 PM
Yeah I love Hodges ... one of my favorite prospects this year ... but Mauti in the 6th, because he has to check out medically ... and he already had I think 2 season ending knee injuries... that's a risky pick, but one with high reward

Yeah Mauti has had 2 season ending knee injuries, so that is ture. I still prefer Mauti to Hodges.

And Mike Wallace does blow. Where have you guys been?

mcfly06
12-10-2012, 11:16 PM
I Like Eddie Lacy ... I just think the Def needs some much needed youth added to it ... and you would have to take him 1st cause I doubt he last to the later part of the 2nd ... and I just don't think they can afford that right now

also I don't think Wallace is going anywhere

~~EDIT~~

I would like to Add I really starting to like this division 2 CB Robert Alford from Southeastern Louisiana, in the 4th...
a little Edit after finding this kid

1st - Matt Elam - FS - Florida
2nd - Phillip Thomas - SS - Fresno State
3rd - Gerald Hodges - OLB - Penn State
4th - Robert Alford - CB - Southeastern Lousiana
5th - Abry Jones - DE - Georgia
6th - Michael Mauti - ILB - Penn State
7th - Zac Stacy - RB - Vandy


I would like a strictly pass rusher (Dion Jordan or Anthony Barr) in the 1st and even Eddie Lacy in the 2nd ... but I just want to get the Safety position which been a huge strength over the years back to form

Love Eddie Lacy, what about Marcus Lattimore now i know he had knee probs but would we take a chance on him?? Also i would love Dion Jordon here watched every oregon game this year..

mcfly06
12-10-2012, 11:19 PM
heres what i would say from the past few weeks:

1 Travis Frederick OG Wisconsin (Tyler Eifert TE Notre Dame)
Frederick would be an incredible LG to team up with Pouncey and Decastro on the inside.

Eifert is a jump ball phenom, he would be the successor to Heath but would be a big impact in the passing game from day one

2 David Amerson CB North Carolina State (Margus Hunt DE SMU)
Amerson is a classic CB to FS transition candidate...Rolle, Jenkins, ect....his ball skills are out of this world and hes a big hitter, hes been burned this year after having ridiculous pick numbers last year, but his fall from top 10 to second would be a great gift.

Margus Hunt is a physical freak, to play him in a 34 he could be like a mixure of JJ Watt and Calais Campbell

3 Chase Thomas OLB Stanford (Dennard Robinson, WR Mich)

Chase Thomas is a high effort pass rusher, hes relentless and excels at blitzing.

Robinson has trick play ability but would likely be a return man and he just has a dynamic in the open field that rivals hester or harvin

4 Aaron Murray QB Georgia (Montee Ball RB, Wisc)
Highest percentage passer in college football, could possibly be a starter one day but is an ideal backup QB. Better than colt mccoy could dream to be, and id take colt mccoy as a backup in a heartbeat.

Ball is a hard runner with terrific vision, i think hes a lot like chester taylor and would immediately be better than redman

5 Jon Bostic MLB Florida

Good MLB of the future, they will likely miss out on teo and skov if they want to target a MLB

just a few guys i like early in the process, im not quite where i usually am as far as grading prospects

Train i like the way you think, this is how i feel!! Only player i dont like is Robinson lol i dont see him doing anything in the NFL i dont think..

mcfly06
12-10-2012, 11:21 PM
If Wallace isn't resigned then wouldn't WR become a bigger need?......Won't the Steelers get an extra pick if they lose Wallace?.........

But I love the players you listed on that mock Train....I'm with you on Eifert..........

The WR class this year isnt that strong well right now, but i listed a few to keep a eye out on that i think could be good for us if Wallace leaves, on my thread players to watch this bowl season..

penguins&steelers
12-11-2012, 10:39 AM
I'm really not concerned with the WR position. Hopefully Wallace will be gone, Sanders will step up, Heath and Brown will do their thing. We need to emphasize on Linebacker, DL, Saftey, and CB. So every defensive position basically. The DL has been terrible all year. All of them. Worlids has looked OK for Harrison. Timmons has looked good this year, and Woodley has been good when not hurt. Foote needs to go. Keenan Lewis has been fantastic, and Ike Taylor has been terrible. I would like to find another good Corner, and Troy's replacement if it's not going to work out with Will Allen, though I think it might. He has look pretty solid this year as well.

K Train
12-11-2012, 10:41 AM
ike taylor has certainly not been terrible

penguins&steelers
12-11-2012, 10:45 AM
ike taylor has certainly not been terrible

He had a fantastic year last year, and this year has been very disappointing.

cbrunn
12-11-2012, 01:58 PM
He had a fantastic year last year, and this year has been very disappointing.

Ike had a bad start to the year ... Lately before the injury he was back to form shutting everybody down and not getting penalties

I've said this , and we'll see with Ike out(already seen in the chargers game) ... Ike is more valuable to the secondary then Troy is ... Troy might be the playmaker usually, but you can put Ike on the #1 receiver on anyteam, and much more then not Ike shuts them down... that is much more valuable

cbrunn
12-11-2012, 02:01 PM
Love Eddie Lacy, what about Marcus Lattimore now i know he had knee probs but would we take a chance on him?? Also i would love Dion Jordon here watched every oregon game this year..

I wouldn't mind getting him in the 6th or 7th ... but only thing is he won't be ready next year ... and most likely his nitch in the NFL will be a power back, I highly doubt he returns back to what he was ... and we have Dwyer and Redman to be powerbacks

penguins&steelers
12-11-2012, 02:05 PM
Ike had a bad start to the year ... Lately before the injury he was back to form shutting everybody down and not getting penalties

I've said this , and we'll see with Ike out(already seen in the chargers game) ... Ike is more valuable to the secondary then Troy is ... Troy might be the playmaker usually, but you can put Ike on the #1 receiver on anyteam, and much more then not Ike shuts them down... that is much more valuable

I think Kennan Lewis has been a better corner this year. I'm not an Ike fan.

K Train
12-11-2012, 02:14 PM
ike put up unreal numbers last year. keenan lewis has improved greatly but he gets so many tackles because he gets picked on way more than ike.

ike had a rough start, that doesnt condemn him to sucking for the year

mcfly06
12-11-2012, 09:35 PM
Ive checked some mock drafts and some as of now, and i know its early. But they have us taking Kenny Vaccaro, or TJ McDonald

SteelerCountry58
12-11-2012, 11:24 PM
I'd be real happy with Vaccaro as our first pick then follow it up with either Skov/Thomas LB's Stanford
as our 2nd rounder.