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Clevelandsux
10-12-2012, 08:05 PM
Tomlin has had a nice run with Cowhers players. Now he needs to bring in some of his own. Look how many aging vets are still on this team from when Cowher was still here? Cowher has been gone 6 years now. Time to clean house mike and draft some new guys. Dont you think its about time?

LatrobePA
10-12-2012, 08:48 PM
He's running out of the original BC players, now we're on the downward spiral!

BubbyBlister
10-12-2012, 09:11 PM
Talent is there and this all is on the coaching. Same with Cowher and how many super bowls did he cost us with his approach ?

muncher
10-12-2012, 11:10 PM
his stamp, is all over this team.....look at our last 5 games...all tomlin

LatrobePA
10-12-2012, 11:15 PM
seeing him high fiving Ike after he took an awful penalty right before he gave up the game tying TD, I'm over MT!!

Troyisabeast_43
10-13-2012, 09:21 AM
I dont want this to come off as a racist statement or anything along those lines but I think the this Steelers team especially over the last few seasons have simply become thugged out under Tomlin guidance. I mean look at the way guys act after they make big plays,look at all the personal foul penalties and hits to the head game in and game out and just the penalties per game in general. There is no discipline on this team under Mike Tomlin because you have a head coach in Mike Tomlin who has a thug like mentality with his mannerisms on the sideline and it rubs off on this team more and more every single week. Like I said I dont want this to sound like it's a racist comment or anything because I seriously dont have a problem with black people or anything even remotely close to that but how many white players are on the Steelers now?? Ben,Heath,Keisel,Decastro Suisham Legusrksy,and I guess you can count Troy as well. Now if this post offends people in anyway I apologize but I am not going to apologize for feeling the way I do here the last few years about Tomlin because I think my statements have some truth behind them...

Get7With7
10-13-2012, 12:27 PM
Tomlin's problem is he's too buddy-buddy with the players. Cowher was buddy-buddy at times, but he knew when to haul ***. There was a fear factor between Cowher and the players. There isn't with Tomlin. He needs to make these guys fear screwing up.

jpele
10-13-2012, 12:49 PM
I think the players are too busy on twitter and facebook to pay attention to game plan details.

Get7With7
10-13-2012, 01:08 PM
I think the players are too busy on twitter and facebook to pay attention to game plan details.

I think that really shows with Ike. He's got a radio show and a news paper column. How much time does that leave for football? Also keep in mind that it's really showing the Wild Card game in Denver is still stuck in his head.

KemoTherapy
10-13-2012, 03:03 PM
I think the players are too busy lining up at the feeding trough packing on the pounds while twittering. For example I was surprised when I first saw the "in shape Dwyer" in the pre season with his gut hanging over his pants. Far too many Steelers look too far out of shape.

LatrobePA
10-13-2012, 03:14 PM
Is it racist for me to say I think what Tomlin brought to this team was the Rooney rule?? I hope not but I think they were sold on him for that...

Get7With7
10-13-2012, 04:24 PM
Is it racist for me to say I think what Tomlin brought to this team was the Rooney rule?? I hope not but I think they were sold on him for that...

I hope not. I'm really not a big fan of the Rooney Rule. When is the last time racism has been an issue in the NFL? If I recall, the NFL was always ahead of the rest of the country in that regard. Besides, if a GM or an owner already knows who they want to hire as head coach, and the guy just happens to be white, it makes the Rooney Rule look like a joke. If a guy is looked upon as a potential good coach, he'll get a job regardless of the color of his skin.

Clevelandsux
10-13-2012, 04:26 PM
well i doubt tomlin leaves anytime soon. You know how we don't change coaches. Unless we go 0-16 the next two seasons.

Troyisabeast_43
10-13-2012, 07:16 PM
I dont think he will be fired or leave within the next few seasons but I dont see him at this point being like Cowher and staying here for 15 years and being able to leave on his own terms...If Tomlin lets say would miss the playoffs this year and next year especially after having a 1st round playoff exit last season and just getting a new contract extension the heat is really going to be turned up on him by this fanbase a great deal...I think he is safe for now and we will see how the rest of this season plays out but should they miss the playoffs this year and have a bad record and miss it again next season Tomlin could be in a little bit of trouble...

connecticutsteel
10-13-2012, 08:10 PM
I dont want this to come off as a racist statement or anything along those lines but I think the this Steelers team especially over the last few seasons have simply become thugged out under Tomlin guidance. I mean look at the way guys act after they make big plays,look at all the personal foul penalties and hits to the head game in and game out and just the penalties per game in general. There is no discipline on this team under Mike Tomlin because you have a head coach in Mike Tomlin who has a thug like mentality with his mannerisms on the sideline and it rubs off on this team more and more every single week. Like I said I dont want this to sound like it's a racist comment or anything because I seriously dont have a problem with black people or anything even remotely close to that but how many white players are on the Steelers now?? Ben,Heath,Keisel,Decastro Suisham Legusrksy,and I guess you can count Troy as well. Now if this post offends people in anyway I apologize but I am not going to apologize for feeling the way I do here the last few years about Tomlin because I think my statements have some truth behind them...

If you don't want to sound racist then don't write "i don't want to sound racist ""or seriously i don't have a problem with black people" .Who are you trying to convince? and no troy is polyneisan and you forgot drew butler,greg warren,david paulson,ryan lee,john maleceki.Tomlin is one of the best coaches in the league .and if you think that coaching doesn't make a huge difference look at the Saints this year.it's the same team way different results.trust me there is no fear factor in coaching that's laughable. it's about respect. the problem with this defense is the younger players haven't learned how to win yet.but they will and we will be fine.

Clevelandsux
10-13-2012, 08:13 PM
Cowher stuck around so long because it took him so long to get his ring.Tomlin got his in his second year.

connecticutsteel
10-13-2012, 08:13 PM
IT'S funny no one remembers the years that Cowher went 8-8 9-7 I'm afan of the chin but Tomlin didn't ride Cowher's team because Kevin Colbert is the main driver of building the team

@TROYISABEAST43 SINCE WHEN Did the rooney's ever cave in to pressure from the fan's to fire a coach?...........................never.

Rollers
10-13-2012, 08:27 PM
I'm no fan of Tomlin, but I believe he has just as many rings as Cowher no? There were some questionable personnel moves under Cowher as well. Now whether Tomlin won the super bowl with Cowher's players is pure conjecture. There were some pretty bad seasons with Cowher at the helm. How many good coaches never win a super bowl? The thing that bothers me about this team is the inability to beat up on poor teams. Maybe drafting as low as we've been drafting has something to do with it as well. You can't be really good every single year. Maybe it's time to dip into free agency a little? We need a starting safety and a corner. We also need d linemen and o linemen still. We have a ton of holes to fill. It will be interesting to see how well we do in the upcoming draft. I was pumped when we got both DeCastro AND Adams. Adams I think is going to be good and a starter as will DeCastro. Time will tell. We need a lot of athletic guys on defense.

connecticutsteel
10-13-2012, 11:20 PM
Tomlin has more rings any steelers fan knows that

BlitzburghRockCity
10-14-2012, 01:25 AM
It took Cowher nearly his entire head coaching career to finally put together a team capable of winning a Super Bowl. By the time Tomlin got ahold of them their best days were behind and the window was quickly closing. SBXLIII was the last hurrah for most of them.

Tomlin's stamp on this team is not quite known yet because a team filled with mostly his players hasn't won a super bowl yet. They got close against the Packers but the defense was exposed and the OL was terrible as we remember.

He's drafted some serious talent; Woodley, Timmons, AB, Mendenhall, Wallace, Pouncey, along with potential stars like Cortez, McLendon, Gilbert, etc. His drafting in the high rounds has been pretty decent but the lower rounds has been hit and miss just like Cowher.

There are still many BC holdovers that are in their twilight now so it's going take a few more years before the rest really filter out. Maybe then we'll see the real Steelers under Tomlin but who knows if we'll like the result or not. I will say that I agree that this team has become a bit more self absorbed on the field and off; but to be fair there was twitter and facebook when Cowher was around.

I miss the fire of Cowher, I've always missed that fire. Tomlin just stands there and only gets excited when a TD is scored. I want to see him light up Taylor on the sidelines for those stupid penalties, or get in Colon's face for the constant holding penalties.

jnes1216
10-14-2012, 03:25 AM
I miss the fire of Cowher, I've always missed that fire. Tomlin just stands there and only gets excited when a TD is scored. I want to see him light up Taylor on the sidelines for those stupid penalties, or get in Colon's face for the constant holding penalties.

Yes, tough to watch the passiveness. I've heard all the "I'm a game manager speeches". Different players are motivated by different ways. Why not try one that is not under the "I'm gonna say cool **** and they'll respond" tact. Prepare your players better so they can have a chance on sunday or (thursday night as it seems for phuck sakes).

Clevelandsux
10-14-2012, 06:37 AM
Honestly, I dont miss cowher. Wouldn't want him back. Had a great run, but life has moved on.

ChucktownSteeler
10-14-2012, 09:45 AM
If you don't want to sound racist then don't write "i don't want to sound racist ""or seriously i don't have a problem with black people" .Who are you trying to convince? and no troy is polyneisan and you forgot drew butler,greg warren,david paulson,ryan lee,john maleceki.Tomlin is one of the best coaches in the league .and if you think that coaching doesn't make a huge difference look at the Saints this year.it's the same team way different results.trust me there is no fear factor in coaching that's laughable. it's about respect. the problem with this defense is the younger players haven't learned how to win yet.but they will and we will be fine.

David DeCastro, No. #1 pick.

LevonKirkland99
10-14-2012, 11:32 AM
WTF, you mean he didn't put the stamp on this team yet. what is he waiting for!

Nolrog
10-14-2012, 11:37 AM
Tomlin is one of the best coaches in the league .and if you think that coaching doesn't make a huge difference look at the Saints this year.

I'm going to disagree with you there. As time goes on, and the more I see, the more I think Tomlin is over rated as a coach, and won because he inherited a championship team. As Cowher's players move out and Tomlin's move in, we see this team on a downturn.

I agree, coaching makes a big difference. Just look at the Steelers.

steelersbabex25
10-14-2012, 01:28 PM
Ugh so so so so sick of the "Cowher's players" crap. Was Wallace one of Cowher's? Was Brown one of Cowher's? Was Pouncey one of Cowher's? Give me a ****ing break.

LatrobePA
10-14-2012, 01:37 PM
Brown, Wallace, Pouncey, are all only good because of Ben, who drafted Ben? Yep you're right BC! Same can be said on defense, Troy makes Dick and that whole average squad look good, pretty sure BC drafted Troy too! You see how good this team is with out the those players... Tomlin has yet to put his stamp on this team other than making it a passive conservative soft *** team!!

Stone
10-14-2012, 01:40 PM
tomlin needs to put his stamp on this team. ????????

I'm afraid we might be watching it week by week:poopfan:

steelersbabex25
10-14-2012, 01:41 PM
Brown, Wallace, Pouncey, are all only good because of Ben, who drafted Ben? Yep you're right BC! Same can be said on defense, Troy makes Dick and that whole average squad look good, pretty sure BC drafted Troy too! You see how good this team is with out the those players... Tomlin has yet to put his stamp on this team other than making it a passive conservative soft *** team!!

Really? Pouncey is only good because of Ben? Pretty sure it's the other way around. Brown and Wallace are only good because of Ben? Okay...that makes a ton of sense. They'd probably be **** if they played for any other team, right?

Stone
10-14-2012, 01:48 PM
Just to fuel the inferno......how about a list of all the remaining players on the team who were drafted by BC.....then we can talk about what the team would be without them:lol:

steelchamp204
10-14-2012, 01:55 PM
Just to fuel the inferno......how about a list of all the remaining players on the team who were drafted by BC.....then we can talk about what the team would be without them:lol:

How about they just make a list of BC players from superbowl 43 when we beat the Cards. People say that when BC retired it was an 8-8 team. It was a pretty damn good solid team though. It wasnt like MT picked up some scrub team like the Lions back then or something and turned them into contenders.

Nolrog
10-14-2012, 02:10 PM
Really? Pouncey is only good because of Ben? Pretty sure it's the other way around. Brown and Wallace are only good because of Ben? Okay...that makes a ton of sense. They'd probably be **** if they played for any other team, right?

Ben was winning championships before Pouncey, Wallace and Brown. To say that Ben is good because of Pouncey is ludicrous, ignorant, and quite a bit of revisionist history to boot.

Wallace and Brown are good because Ben is a good QB (one of the tops in the league). Yes, if they played for another team, say the Jets, they'd be much worse off.

LatrobePA
10-14-2012, 02:11 PM
Ben was winning championships before Pouncey, Wallace and Brown. To say that Ben is good because of Pouncey is ludicrous.

Yeppers!

steelersbabex25
10-14-2012, 02:18 PM
Ben was winning championships before Pouncey, Wallace and Brown. To say that Ben is good because of Pouncey is ludicrous, ignorant, and quite a bit of revisionist history to boot.

Is it? Ben had a really great game when Legursky started snapping him the ball, didn't he?

Nolrog
10-14-2012, 02:29 PM
Is it? Ben had a really great game when Legursky started snapping him the ball, didn't he?

If you're referring to the Super Bowl against Green Bay, the Steelers didn't lose because Legs was the center, they lost because they kept turning the ball over. If Mendenhall doesn't fumble, they likely go on to win the game.

Ben did have a heck of a game in the previous Super Bowl, with an offensive line far worse than that. Could have been the MVP in that game, if not for Holmes' heroics.

steelersbabex25
10-14-2012, 02:44 PM
If you're referring to the Super Bowl against Green Bay, the Steelers didn't lose because Legs was the center, they lost because they kept turning the ball over. If Mendenhall doesn't fumble, they likely go on to win the game.

Ben did have a heck of a game in the previous Super Bowl, with an offensive line far worse than that. Could have been the MVP in that game, if not for Holmes' heroics.

I was referring to Thursday. To say he's just as good of a player with Legursky in as Pouncey is the ludicrous part.

Black@Gold Forever32
10-14-2012, 03:32 PM
Wow this thread is entertaining....lol I really don't buy into the theory of Tomlin winning with Cowher's players....But at the same time I'm not really happy with Tomlin at all.....This team continues to look very unprepared on the road and really the Steelers are an undisciplined football team...Reflections of the HC and all we get from Mikey T is witty cliches....lol

As for the whole offensive line argument....The whole entire offense is better when the starting unit stays intact......Trouble is the Steelers will never keep the whole entire starting unit intact......Pouncey and Gilbert are hurt all the time.....What is it with offensive lineman from Florida?.......lol

Omicron
10-14-2012, 04:39 PM
I'd be happy to just never hear the phrase " we tip our caps to those guys" again or see it in print from the HC. Instead, take the cap off and get some discipline reinforced to start getting rid of penalties.

LatrobePA
10-14-2012, 05:28 PM
I'd be happy to just never hear the phrase " we tip our caps to those guys" again or see it in print from the HC. Instead, take the cap off and get some discipline reinforced to start getting rid of penalties.

I'd just be happy to see a team play fired up, this team took on Tomlin's personality.. I hate it!!

Nolrog
10-14-2012, 05:32 PM
I was referring to Thursday. To say he's just as good of a player with Legursky in as Pouncey is the ludicrous part.

I guess he must have had a horrible game then, huh? Shall we check the stats? Yes, we shall.

Ben was 24/40, 363 yards, 1TD, 1 INT. But since Pouncey was out, I guess he was sacked a lot, huh? Well, no. Sacked once for a 7 yard loss. So, where is the Ben is no good without Pouncey part? Because it sure doesn't show up in the stats, and didn't show up in the three Super Bowls Ben played in without him.

Stone
10-14-2012, 05:32 PM
I'd just be happy to see a team play fired up, this team took on Tomlin's personality.. I hate it!!

Best post of the season!

LatrobePA
10-14-2012, 05:34 PM
I guess he must have had a horrible game then, huh? Shall we check the stats? Yes, we shall.

Ben was 24/40, 363 yards, 1TD, 1 INT. But since Pouncey was out, I guess he was sacked a lot, huh? Well, no. Sacked once for a 7 yard loss. So, where is the Ben is no good without Pouncey part? Because it sure doesn't show up in the stats, and didn't show up in the three Super Bowls Ben played in without him.

Mike Adams whiffed is the only reason he got sacked. Legs actually played well.

Stone
10-14-2012, 05:36 PM
Mike Adams whiffed is the only reason he got sacked. Legs actually played well.
In reality, Ban has had to play a lot without Pouncy since he cant stay healthy.

Big T
10-14-2012, 05:43 PM
In reality, Ban has had to play a lot without Pouncy since he cant stay healthy.

Pouncey has missed 2 regular season games and 1 postseason game in his career (though the postseason game was somewhat important lol)...

So there's that...

BlitzburghRockCity
10-14-2012, 06:02 PM
I'm not sure I want to see Tomlin's stamp on this team the more I think about it. It's been losing value like the postal service if you ask me :reddevil: